chrissy"Mediocre in the Pac 12 or another BCS league is a a
million times better than a mediocre independent or mediocre WAC team."Unfortunately, you're not even mediocre in the PAC 10.2.
You're a bottom-dwelling punching bag for the big boys of the
conference.Reality is that being a Top 25, bowl winning Independent
is a million times better than being a bottom dwelling couch potato during bowl
Last DB that BYU put in the NFL, unless I'm mistaken, was Aaron Francisco.
There, are you happy, Mr. Troll?And I for one am tired of hearing
from Mr. Troll that BYU doesn't have enough "Athletes". But at
least it basically admitted what it means with that term. Now we know what kind
of hateful heart it really has.
"Utah and other schools recruit kids that can play football but have nothing
else to offer."This is one of the most absurd comments I've
ever read on this website, and that's saying something.....
Tell me one school in Utah that even comes close to matching BYU's overall
athletic program - Football, M and W Basketball, Soccer, Golf, Baseball,
Volleyball, Rugby, Track, Swimming, etc. No school in Utah even comes close.
BYU not only has the top athletic program in Utah, but has one of the top
athletic programs in the nation.Translation - there are more
athletes at BYU than Utah. Athletes are more than just DBs.BYU's defense was one of the best in the nation last year, and as far as
I can tell the DBs are part of the defense. Sorensen, Bills and Johnson are
I trusted Chris B when he matter of factly said that So. Miss was going to have
no trouble handling BYU's mediocre basketball team. Seems her matter of
facts aren't so factual. You've let me down one too many times. Never
again Chris, never again.
@sammygMediocre in the Pac 12 or another BCS league is a a million
times better than a mediocre independent or mediocre WAC team.But
you'll just have to trust me. Since the big 12 isn't calling.
"I repeat: Byu will never be more than a mediocre football program because
you dont have enough "athletes""Therefore Utah will
always be mediocre or less because they don't have 'enough
athletes' because they cannot out recruit half or more of their conference
peers.Therefore Utah will be on the bubble for the 'I'll
Be Home for Christmas' Couch Bowl.
@Irrelevent I believe the University of Utah recruits many people who
are people of faith, passion and desire to succeed. Many on U of U teams do
become great in many endeavors in life. I like you like the Y's standards.
But We only reduce our own house when we throw bricks over the fence at our
neighbors. I am a U of U graduate. I am also a Weber State graduate.
By choice I do cheer for BYU because they have developed a legacy of
championships in many sports. I believe in the history of the MWC BYU won 40%
of all the available championships in all sports. That is a legacy. I believe
it was higher in the WAC but I could be wrong. Now they are trying to raise to
the next level. You do that by excelling, not by trying to tear down the other
team. BYU could not recruit with the likes of Miami back in the day.
They won the day because they worked as a team. Since there are so many
University's with a legacy the Y's future doesn't lie in tearing
them down but in raising there own game.
@Cougar Clawsyou get it the only way according to cb that they are
athletes is not to go to BYU and even if they go to the U with 3 stars or less
they are still good solid recruits because they did not go to BYU as per navel
vetI am a cougar fan all the way back to the late 60's
Claws,You're giving her the attention she craves and she's
one of your own. Now that's funny!
Re: bubbaI think you hit the nail on the head. Basically, if a
player goes to BYU he's not an athlete. So since Star Lotulelei was
academically ineligible to attend BYU, but instead went to Utah, now he's
an athlete. I'll bet if Jake Murphy had actually kept his commitment to
come to BYU he wouldn't be an athlete either. Trent Trammel, a defensive
back, who actually had a scholarship offer to Utah, chose BYU, so I guess that
means he's not an athlete. Jamaal Williams had a scholarship offer from
Utah also, but he didn't go to Utah, so that disqualifies him from being an
athlete too. Joe Sampson, another defensive back, chose a scholarship offer to
BYU over Utah. But hey, he got in a fight and got kicked out of school, so is he
officially an athlete now? Good thing Davion Orphey, another 2013 cornerback and
BYU decommitment, chose Utah or there is no way he'd be an athlete.
I'll also bet that Travis Still and Hunter Dimick are athletes too because
they chose Utah over BYU too.I think I get what Chris B is saying
"Utah and other schools recruit kids that can play football but have nothing
else to offer." Nothing else to offer?! Wow. Maybe we should
loosen the straps on our blue goggles. I think they're cutting off the
blood supply to our brain.
We cougars are not holier than thou! We know that "Utah and other schools
recruit kids that can play football but have nothing else to offer." They
don't have any redeeming qualities. They're not special like we are.
Ok. I'll get off the rameumpton now.
Chris B is a BYU fan pretending to be a Utah fan and you guys keep falling for
it over and over and over again. Wake up!
Re: U 90Um okay, or apparently I have. Did I say BYU has filled the
NFL with DBs? No. I did say that for 2013, besides Eric Rowe, I don't see
Utah's starting DBs being any more talented than BYUs. Seriously. What has
Utah's defensive backfield done well over the past two seasons? Get torched
by Pac-12 passing offenses that's what. In no way did I insinuate that the
past 10 to 15 years BYU has had loads of NFL talent in the defensive backfield.
Way to put words in my mouth that I never said.And actually BYU did
put Aaron Francisco in the NFL and Andrew Rich could have inked a deal with a
team, to answer your question. So occasionally BYU has a talented enough DB that
they could play in the NFL. That doesn't mean that I am dubbing BYU
"defensive backfield U" either. Don't get those two comments
@U90 Thank you for your comments. Yes I am aware that BYU does not
have a history of great DB's. I wish they did. It's a wish most
Cougar fans have. But Chris B. is not talking athleticism. You obviously
picked up on what he and not I insinuates. I doubt BYU recruiters are
told to only recruit slow, clutzy, people who can only run in a straight line.
If you follow their recruiting efforts I am sure you realize no one is excluded
by any classification except those that can not through personal behavior live
by the standards of the school.@Chris B. You do disrespect
to all athletes of every ethnic and religious background by your personal
prejudices and message of hate. You aren't fooling anyone. Please keep
your comments to the sport in question. Better yet, quit festering the comment
pages with your twisted view of the world and do something positive for a
@Chris B"The alabama football team does not look like byu's
football team. And there is no coincidence alamaba is doing what byu fans can
barely dream of."The difference between BYU and other top
programs in the nation is BYU recruits men of faith, passion, and a desire to
succeed. Utah and other schools recruit kids that can play football but have
nothing else to offer. How many times do we hear of college "athletes"
in big time schools get caught with drugs, dui's or other legal issues? Get off your high horse Chris B. and join society. BYU is a fine
institution run by the best organized church in the world. the fact of the
matter is, it's hard to play at/for BYU. They only recruit special
@SLC watch,Unfortunatel the Des News monitors usually bans comments
when I spell out the truth. I am not trying to hide what I am saying at all,
just trying to get my comment posted.I repeat: Byu will never be
more than a mediocre football program because you dont have enough
"athletes"The alabama football team does not look like
byu's football team. And there is no coincidence alamaba is doing what byu
fans can barely dream of. As soon as byu fans accept reality that
championship football and the honor code/relgion shoved down your throat
don't mix, the better off they will be.
@SLCWatchI think I can answer this for you chris b. definition of athlete
is anyone who does not attend BYU. Furthermore if a player does attend BYU then
transfers up to the U. he then can be an athlete.
SLC Watch,I'm not a Chris B fan, but he does make a valid
point. This is not a position group that BYU has excelled in. When was the
last time they put a DB in the NFL? Apparently Cougar Claws has not been paying
attention over the past 10-15 years.Perhaps Chris' comments are
not being driven by what you are insinuating (race). It's possible Chris
is referring to overall athleticism (speed, agility, lateral movement etc.)Just so you don't think I'm a homer, I realize BYU has put
more QBs in the NFL over the years than Utah. Are you willing to accept
BYU's reality at the DB position?
Re: Black & BlueI agree that the secondary could be a lot better
if recruiting the secondary was a priority. I agree that it all starts with the
front seven with any defense, but it's not like BYU can't try harder
to get good defensive backs. I also hope that the new recruiting coordinator
tries to make recruiting the defensive backfield as much a priority as every
other position seems to be. It's not more important to recruit DBs than it
is to recruit good players on both lines of scrimmage, but it's not
necessarily less important either.
I have a request for our most prolifc writer Chris B.Specifically and
without equivocation or avoidance of the truth as he knows it,Please
define "athletes" that you refer to.Obviously you don't
believe BYU has any.So now state specifically what none of the
Student/participants of the BYU athletic programs have! Name the specifc
trait!I dare you to say what you really mean.
The secondary is always the weak spot of the defense, until Bronco and Co. make
recruiting quality corners a priority, the trend will continue. Landing top
defensive line and linebacker prospects have not been a problem, but it seems
year after year the safety and cornerback positions are filled with walk-ons and
JC transfers. Hopefully there will be a renewed focus on recruiting athletes to
play in the secondary. With a #3 ranked defense in 2012, we really dont have a
whole lot to complain about though do we? I love and admire what BYU football
represents, and the outstanding values it expects and builds in the young men
lucky enough to be a part of it. The 2013 season needs to be here already.
I am sorry, but Hague starting at corner next year really scares me. Hague is a
safety not a corner. I hope their new recruits can step up.
I wouldn't call it a mixed bag. We should be top notch in this state again.
Most teams around here are always trying to figure out how we keep putting such
a great secondary on the field. They try to copy us but can't quite get
Someone needs to compile chris b's drivel for the players to read all week
of the Utah game. They have not looked as motivated for that game the last
couple years as fans always are
I predict that Utah, my school, will have a sad year again. I also predict that
Chris B will continue to hang around BYU football articles so he can get some
enjoyment out of life. How sad there isn't more to life for Chris.I will keep my expectations very low for BYU football. I expected as
few as 5 wins last year and was VERY pleased to have my expectations exceeded,
although the losses were hard to take.I wish BYU, USU, and Utah a
Re: Chris BWith the exception of Eric Rowe, I would take BYU's
starters in the secondary over Utah's. That is a pretty sad statement
considering all of the "athletes" only go to Utah."LOL"
You guys should be fine in the secondary. Just look at all the secondary guys
byu has put in the NFL recently.LOL.You need
"athletes" to have a good secondary. And you dont have them. Whether
it be Wilson, Shultz, or a converted offensive lineman throwing for us this
year, it will be more than enough for our seniors to earn the perfect 4-0 sweep
in the former "rivalry" game.When was the last time your
seniors has a perfect 4-0 sweep over utah? LOL