Re: Sports4life1phantomblade's point, which you obviously
didn't get, is that the Ute Basketball program has done very little since
losing Majerus. The point is that BYU Basketball has been on the rise during
that time, while Utah has been floundering.Nobody will deny that
Utah did very well under Majerus. Nobody will deny that they have the better
overall history in the NCAA tournament. But in the last 10 years? What Utah
basketball has done doesn't even come close to what BYU Basketball has
accomplished.Utah fans so love to focus on just the last 10 years in
football, but in Basketball it has to be their whole history that is considered.
Double standard there?
Monk, with so many of the teams in the NCAA Tournament as automatic qualifiers
from the myriad conferences across the country, no one believes the 64
represented there are the best 64 in the country. The way both BYU and Baylor
finished in the NIT, I would rank them among the 50 best teams in the country,
if not among the top 40 for Baylor.
It's quite sad to see some BYU fans bringing up quite poor statistics from
the past when the utes could do the same thing. truthfully congrats on your
success the last 10 years, but if you want to compare basketball programs
outside of that then we can look at the Utes being far better overall. They can
actually win when they get to the tournament and are one of the few teams that
have a successful record in the tournament.and about your 2013
signing class there all going on missions which is basicially going to leave you
with nothing next season. The Utes will beat BYU next year and will dominate
the series the rest of the way. Just like football
After seeing that Baylor dismantled Iowa in the NIT Championship game, it makes
me wonder if the two best teams in the tournament didn't face each other in
AZute1 sounds pretty bitter...On a brighter note, I was encouraged
by the play of the team in the NIT and look forward to the continued growth and
development of Matt CArlino. He needs to play with confidence and it seems he
found it again in the tourney. Keep it up Matt and I'm already looking
forward to next season!!!
AZUTE1The reality of BYU and Utah basketball during the Dave Rose
era; there hasn't been a coaching "era" at the U since Majerus
left.BYU209-66(76%), 6 NCAA tournaments, 2 NIT tournaments, 4
conference championships, 8 20+ win seasons, Consensus National Player of the
YearUtah116-137(46%), 6 losing seasons, 1 NCAA tournament, 1
conference championship, 1 20+ win seasonAnd let's not forget,
BYU signed its best recruiting class ever in 2013.Overall, BYU leads
the series 149-145, has won 7 in a row, and 11 of the last 12Regardless of conference affiliation, it's indisputable which school has
the better basketball program.
Roger Jolly,Stop manifesting an inferiority complex. 'No one
wants BYU'. 'A real conference'. This is so transparent a first
year psych student could nail the diagnosis.
MonkStill, gotta ask, if your choices were two schools, one played
post season, one did not, which would impress you more?ekuteI apply the same criteria to U, and I think, "what they have done,
they ever will do?" That kinda smack coming from Utah fans just
doesn't hurt much. It kind of makes me giggle. I do expect
the Utah basketball team to continue progressing and improving. I have no such
expectations for Utah fans that demonstrate their superior patheticism
anonamously on their ex-rival's sports stories.
@ekuteTheir recruting base got them a top 20 clas this year and a
projected top 10 class next year. You're right, that is what they are. Of course utah is what it is as well, which means sitting at home
wishing they could play.
@MonkThey are what they are. Truth is, limited by their own
standards, win or lose, their recruiting base remains the same. What
they've already done, is all they will ever do.
BYU had a good season. But, does any real high school talent care for one
second about how the team did in the NIT? No. If we want to get technical, in
the standard of anything that really counts, BYU ended the season as the #70 or
#71 best team in the country. BYU athletics is willing to settle for that. Why
should the fans? Or the beat writers?
Please don't be mad to each other. It's all good folks. And, the
games are decided on the court. Best of luck to all teams everywhere.
If you don't like the trolls, why do you feed them?
RE: AZUTE1If BYU and it's players are so irrelevant, why is it
that BYU articles continue to be flooded with posts from people like yourself?
It must be tough routing for a team that can't even come close competing
(lost 11 of the last 12) with such an irrelevant club. Irrelevance is hard,
especially when it entails consistent trips to the NCAA tournament with several
wins in recent years. Hopefully one day you can experience the "utter
futility" of having a winning program that competes with the big boys.
Congratulations, Cougars, on a nice season.
Wow... we almost had a positive article about BYU without the trolls stepping up
with their negative vibes and valueless comments showing a lack of civility.
Just once, that would've been nice and a positive step in the right
direction between the fans of both schools. But then along comes
Roger Jolly with his inane "nobody wants BYU" comment and his inference
that Utah is so much happier being a cellar team in a "real"
conference.And also AZUTE1 with his even more inane "utter
futility" comment which displayed a complete ignorance of
"historical" BYU postseason play. As the actual article stated, BYU has
had 7 post-season victories in nationally invited tournaments in the past few
years. I don't dislike Utah, Mr AZUTE1, but just how victories have they
had in post-season play in the past few years? You failed to make any type of
meaningful comparisons with your unwanted criticisms. Let's keep your
comments in perspective, and with an attempt at getting back to civility and
respect between our Utah schools and their fans. Other better commenters have
shown it can be done.
Regardless of the tourney you're in, if you're playing on ESPN
you're getting exposure to a knowledgeable audience. Play well, and that
leaves a good impression among viewers, fans and college admins. You can never
tell in scheduling when something happens and a team needs a good opponent;
someone may have seen one of these games and call up the teams in it to see if
there's a match - especially across country where the names aren't
heard all the time. BYU's name is out there, they have recent exposure to
keep it fresh and some good will come of it. Regarding their run
in the NIT, congrats for stepping up and playing with passion. It was all good,
in every way. It might have been "tier 2" in the news, but you played
like it was "tier 1" to you and we fans appreciated the effort.
Congrats to the Cougars on making it to Madison Square Gardens. It was nice to
see the Cougars put together three complete games in the NIT and the last game
was the best showing against Baylor.It will be very difficult to
replace Brandon Davies next year, but these better played games at the end of
the year give me hope. Go Cougars!
@ AZUTE1;Utter futility??? Two NIT championships and a final four.
An elite eight, a sweet sixteen and several more appearances in the NCAA.
It's not Duke or Kentucky, but it's not utter futility either. Doesn't 6'11' Isaac Nielson join the program next year?
I remember reading a lot about him doing real well in So. Cal. - just as well as
Mika - before his mission.
Futility is u basketball and football. Playing in the postseason is great.
Sitting at home...not so great.
@ AZUTE1: Why all the hate for the Cougs? We don't critize the Utes for
having 116 wins & 137 losses the last 8 seasons & only making the NCAA
tourney once during that stretch. You should be proud that one Utah school - BYU
- has amassed a record of 209 wins & 65 losses since 2005 & 7
appearances in the NCAA & 2 in the NIT. For this die-hard Cougar
fan, I hope the Utes do well except when they play us. In fact, like Sweater in
the Rafters, I hope all the Utah schools do well...it's good for all of us.
@ Roger JollyIt's not that nobody wants BYU. It's just
that they want BYU to make concessions that BYU isn't willing to make. The
Big 12 would have already extended an official invite (before TCU got one) if
BYU would only relinquish broadcasting rights and if we would play on Sundays.
Period. As far as quality of the school, athletic department, facilties,
revenue, etc. it's a no-brainer. TCU got the invite because they had no
such standards or advantages (BYUTV). Utah got the invite because of geography
and their graduate school. BYU is an undergraduate university that doesn't
fit the academic profile of the PAC12. So, if you want to say that
BYU is arrogant, or doesn't play nice, so no one wants us, that's
partly true. We have benefits, standards, and advantages that other
universities don't, so it's just easier to work with them. But having
standards and not compromising them (Sunday Play) is a good thing. And having a
broadcast facility that is literally second-to-none....well, we can generate our
own revenue, thank you very much.
Yep, Stanford actually won The NIT last season and we saw what sort of a,
"boon", they received--A return-trip to this Same, Exact second-tier
tournament.The reality of the post-season for byu,
historically/generally, is one of Utter-Futility, in terms of where post-season
success is measured these days--In The Tourney....Not even their most celebrated
player in their program's history truly made a difference, other than one
extra-victory during his final-season....Heck, most people actually fail to
realize jf continues to remain, Barely, on a NBA-Roster, he's so
Utterly-Irrelevant, Anymore.And now byu can barely lay claim to
3rd-best in a, Top-To-Bottom, 3rd-Rate conference, At Best, during the
regular-season and getting immediately bounced from their conference-tourney,
Winless, by a 3rd-Rate team, To Boot.
@Sweater In RaftersI concur... But I've notice that how much
Cougar fans watch how Utah has fallen, they don't notice how their team is
going down. Playing in the Pac-12 isn't the same as playing in the WCC or
Independence. Join a real conference, then talk. But nobody wants BYU. Why is
I finally got it sweater in the rafters my bad!!!
I do believe BYU did well in the NIT Tournament, not good. And it's sweeter
not sweater... You know what a sweater is? Good job Cougars from a Ute fan that
Sweater, if more Ute fans were like you, there'd be fewer despisers among
the BYU Faithful.
A Ute fan here. Congrat's to the BYU team for the wins in the NIT. I find
something interesting about the Utah and BYU rivalry compared to the Duke UNC
rivalry or the Indiana Purdue rivalry. In both of those rivalries
both teams pull for the other team except when they play each other. As Roy
Williams expressed...he loves to be #1...especially when Duke is #2. For UNC to
beat Duke...when Duke is unranked is not nearly as fun as beating them in the
ACC Championship game.I love the Utes...and I am glad BYU did good
at the NIT...I was pleased to see Weber State got to the finals of their
tournament I think we all know how consistently good the Aggie's are...too
many injuries to make it this year.If Utah State returns to standard
form, Weber keeps it going like they did this year, BYU can replace the few
folks they are losing and the Utes keep progressing, Utah could return to the
basketball state that it used to be.That would be good for all
schools I think...Go Utes...