‘Defending the Faith: Modern temples echo ancient patterns’=========== Nice article, but the title was a little decieving.I thought there would be more "patterns" such as, White
clothing, turbans, veils, Holy of Holies, Altars, ect.But the LDS Temples
are by far the closest things to the Ancient Temples.I recall a
rather large Menorah placed near the altar, near the veil in the Salt Lake
Temple many years ago.And don't forget -- The large
granite Ka'aba in Mecca. With it's inner sanctum Holy of Holies.Believed to have been built by Abraham himself.Where followers try to
visit at least one in their lifetime.and walk around the Temple Square
several times.Not to mention Ankor Wat, or the Pyramids (both
Egyptian and Meso-American).Speaking of Temples and Pyramids -- have
you ever noticed the 6 "pyramid" shaped towers atop the Salt Lake LDS
Temple? Very few people do.Yes, Ancient Temples -- seem to follow a
common pattern aright.
So by that standard what church COULDN'T claim that the layout for ANY
church building wasn't a revelation? "And as the Elders
considered the layout for the new Church Educational wing it was revealed as if
a Polaroid picture in the air that at the center should be the basketball court
with men's and women's locker rooms on the north and south sides.
Later they discovered that this was in accordance with the layout of many Greek
Olympian Temples - a validation of God's revelation to them."
Was Peterson talking about mere similarities in floor plan? My
mistake. I thought he was talking about the idea that specific design elements
for temples were given in distinct revelations -- and the Frederick G. Williams
account of the vision that he shared with Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon seems
pretty spectacular, actually. To me, at least. Do ALL churches claim such
experiences for ALL of their buildings, Fred Anson? Maybe you get around more
than I do.
I think the "Pattern" referred to was that the Lord revealed the design
of His temple(s) to His prophet(s). In a limited space, Doctor Peterson
didn't have time to address the floor plan or rituals. Maybe it all came
at once or maybe piece by piece as needed. I appreciate the article and look
forward to his column each week. I, for one, and grateful he takes time from
his academic load to write a weekly column on items I personally find
interesting and enlightening. If there be faults, they are the faults of men,
but the subject is divine, at least to me.
"Ezekiel [chapters] 40-48 represents that prophet as receiving divine
specifications for a still-future temple."Those specific
chapters (if one reads them) speak about various animal and other sacrifices and
offerings of the priests of Zadok, and have ALL been fulfilled with the building
of the temple that functioned during Jesus' ministry (26-30 A.D.)"And ye shall offer up unto me no more the shedding of blood; yea, your
sacrifices and your burnt offerings shall be done away, for I will accept none
of your burnt offerings. And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken
heart and a contrite spirit ..." [3 Nephi 9:19-20a]The days of
temple building have been over since April 30 A.D. with the Great and Last
sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, for the sins of the world.Dr. Peterson's stretch of the imagination and interpretation that
Ezek.40-48 means the building of a future LDS temple in Old Jerusalem are
astonishingly incredulous. "Modern temples echo ancient patterns" - not
@MichiganderTemples are used for more than just sacrifices. And those sacrifices were actually done outside the temple building
proper, in a courtyard.
Michigander: You seem to ignored Peterson's actual point --
you don't mention it, at least -- in order to attack him for something
that, in MY edition of the column anyhow, he doesn't actually say.Where does Peterson claim that Ezekiel saw "a future LDS temple in Old
@Verdad you said, "Do ALL churches claim such experiences for ALL of their
buildings, Fred Anson?"No, but by Mr. Peterson's standard
they COULD - that was my point. But most other churches don't because they:
a) They don't see the need, and; b) don't seem to feel the need to
engage in hyperbolic rhetoric. And, frankly, I HAVE been in a lot of
churches of many flavors, denominations, and styles so I AM speaking from
experience. Thanks for asking.
I think, Fred Anson, that you've completely missed Peterson's
point.And I wasn't talking about how many churches you've
seen. Which means that you missed my point, too.
Re: the truth, The True Temple is Jesus. Jesus “destroy this temple,
and in three days I will raise it up” (John 2:19). After Christ’s
resurrection the meaning of these words became plain, when Jesus spoke of the
destruction of the temple, he was speaking of his own body (John 2:22).
This is what he meant when he said that one greater than the temple has come!
Jesus Christ. It is in Christ’s church–as Jesus’ mystical
body–that we find the fulfillment of the O. T. prophecies regarding
Jerusalem and the Mountain of the Lord. The promise of a land, will be
fulfilled in a new heaven and earth in the consummation (cf. Romans 4:13;
Hebrews 11:9-10). The N.T. teaches that Christ is the New Temple.Christ’s body is the true temple–as Paul puts it, “For we
are the temple of the living God” (2 Corinthians 6:16)–what use
remains for an a future literal temple? That to which the temple had pointed,
is now a reality through the work of the Holy Spirit.
@sharronaJust like Christ your body is a temple for a spirit (your
spirit) of God.The body is A temple not THE temple.Christ is not the New Temple, temples are still temples, and have a number of
purposes, and are still necessary for ordinance that must still be performed.Most importantly for "Eternal" ordinances that are not
performed in everyday use buildings like churches and synagogues.
Actually Sharrona is completely right. The NT clearly teaches that we do not
need physical temples of any sort to save us. In Hebrews we become completely
aware that Jesus is the altar, His flesh the veil, His heaven the holy of
holies, the only High Priest over the house of God. He is our confession, there
is no need to go to a temple to receive a sealing since the believers are
promised by God that His Spirit, the Holy Spirit of Promise resides in us and we
become sealed by Him through our belief as an eternal companion, an eternal
bride, with Him our bridegroom forever. Read Eph 1: 14. Temples in the past were
only for sacrificial gifts for the redemption of sin through the unblemish blood
of lambs. Jesus is our last sacrifice and paid the last drop of blood for our
sins. Praise Him..It is completely finished. He fulfilled everything and nailed
it to the cross. If we don't go through Jesus as our temple, we miss out on