Baylor too much for BYU in NIT semis, 76-70


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  • Striker Omaha, NE
    April 4, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    Naval, give it a rest. Your arguments are WEAK. BYU made it the Final Four in a big tournament in a dominating fashion. Some people are so bitter BYU is DOMINATING utah in basketball, while they think they are dominating in football with 3 little wins in a row. Pretty sure BYU had at least 10 in a row during our lifetimes. I went and counted...8...some to the tune of 27-0, 56-6. Now that was domination. Keep up your sorry attempts to bash...they continue to make you look foolish.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 4, 2013 7:38 a.m.


    "Funny. I don't remember reading much from this 'Naval vet' on any of the articles following BYU NIT wins. Suddenly 'it' is very active following BYU's tough loss to Baylor."

    Do you remember seeing any posts blaming the cougars' poor performance on the refs? No? Well then why would I have posted anything like "Cougs lose, blame the refs," or bring up the 2010 SDSU game?

    And what is it with this "very active following BYU's tough loss to Baylor" nonsense? At the time of your post, how many posts had I left on this thread?

    Answer: 1

    "very active"?

    How desperate of you. Don't be so frantic and emotional.

    "A couple of calls CAN decide a close game."

    I know. I already mentioned the 2010 SDSU game. That call was so bad, the alumni your school stuffed in the Replay Booth all got suspended for it, and a new rule was implemented by the (MWC) conference prohibiting alumni from serving in such capacities.


    "No, we don't believe you because your spin is completely FALSE!"

    What is "FALSE" is that you don't believe me. You saw that replay. And the officials' suspensions that followed.

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    April 3, 2013 11:58 p.m.

    Great finish to the season Y.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    April 3, 2013 11:02 p.m.

    I have to admit I wasn't all that excited to see BYU playing in the NIT, rather than the NCAA, but this BYU's run to the NIT Final Four was a lot of fun. The refs did miss a couple of critical calls at the end, but the real reason BYU lost to Baylor was horrible shooting from 3-point range. Carlino found his mark late in the game almost in time to mount a huge comeback, but Brock, unfortunately, after a brilliant start against Southern Miss, reverted to his inept outside shooting, going 0-4 against Baylor. A couple of 3s from Brock earlier in the game could made a huge difference by freeing more space for Carlino outside, and Haws and Davies inside. Austin had one of the best games of his career.

    Looking forward to next season, with a good core group returning, and new/returning talent coming on board.

    Thanks for the entertaining season BYU basketballers.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    April 3, 2013 10:44 p.m.


    "You never hear Y fans saying "critical calls gifted the win to the Y." Don't believe me?"

    No, we don't believe you because your spin is completely FALSE!

    IF the play in question had been called CORRECTLY, the missed face-masking of the BYU runner that caused the questionable fumble would have negated the fumble, giving BYU an automatic first down and half-the-distance to the goal. Call it poetic justice, but two "missed" calls resulted in the correct call.

    Feel free to review the YouTube video replay as many times as you would like; in the end, the correct call was made.

    Get over your hatred and petty jealousy already!

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    April 3, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    That photo really tells a lot about the game in particular and college basketball in general. How many times did Haws get knocked to the floor in the past two games and no foul was called? It's not just the Cougars, though. College basketball powers have made it clear by their type of calls that the game is just going to be allowed to be rougher.

    Naturally, this adds to more inconsistency in the overall game calls. To wit: late in the game, Davies took a swipe at the ball as a Baylor player went for a dunk. NO body contact, no arm or hand contact, yet he got a whistle. Earlier in the game, a Baylor player draped himself over Haws who was about to get free near the basket. Never mind it occurred directly in front of a ref, no call.

    The game used to be one of style; now it's just one of 'who gets away with the most'. Haws is becoming an anachronism-a throw back to when hustle, heads up play, and intelligent team play meant something.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 6:16 p.m.

    Nice run Cougars! The NIT performance leaves me hopeful for an improved team next year. I think Carlino should be much improved, and Haws will continue to be Haws to lead the team. Excited for Colinsworth to be back for sure and for the first year of Mika. I think Bronson would be wise to be done with college basketball and focus on football. The team needed him this year due to a depleted roster due to injuries. Hopefully this does not become the case next year. With that said, I wouldn't mind him back on the basketball team next year. But football is his best sport, where he may have NFL potential. I say he should focus there.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    April 3, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    Funny. I don't remember reading much from this "Naval vet" on any of the articles following BYU NIT wins. Suddenly "it" is very active following BYU's tough loss to Baylor.

    But let me just break it to you, Mr. "Naval vet." A couple of calls CAN decide a close game. And, yes, foul #4 on Davies was a total phantom call. And it did remove a key BYU player in a key part of the game. That has an effect. Whether it is a good call or not, it has an effect.

    I felt during the whole game that Baylor's bigs were able to get away with more contact on the defensive end. They tended to be all over Davies and Austin down low. But as soon as Davies, or Austin, or any other BYU player so much as bumped them on the other end, the ref was blowing the whistle. It would certainly be nice if college referees would call the game the same way on both ends of the floor.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    April 3, 2013 3:14 p.m.

    @Naval Vet,

    It's not "typical" when only one out of 22 comments is about the refs. That would be "atypical". That said, I've always maintained that BYU (or anyone for that matter) loses games because they didn't score more points than their opponent. Nothing to do with bad officiating. There are a few Y fans that like to focus on the refs. Most of us just wish they would play better and win the big ones. In the end though, they're just students and young people with lots to be commended.

    Try a little positive comment sometime about your rivals. It will make you feel better. There's good in most everyone - even BYU athletes and fans.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 3, 2013 1:53 p.m.

    Naval Vet:

    Sounds like bitter envy.

    What ever!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 3, 2013 12:35 p.m.


    It is evident that you are a BYU hater, and not a Ute fan. To bring up the 2010 SDSU football game in this case just shows your frantic and emotional issues.

    Why not give props to the student athletes, instead of grinding you axe for not making the cut?

    BYU has a down year, and makes the NIT Final Four. Utah has a great year, and goes nowhere. I won't even bring up the bowl games that your two fav teams played and didn't play in.

    I'm excited for the Carlino / Hawes years. We will miss Davies, but Dave Rose brings classy players to represent.

    Utah may make the CIT next year, and I will give them props.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 3, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    The NIT turned a ho hum year into a fantastic year. Absolutely loved watching the Cougs play the final four games in the NIT against very good teams. No, it wasn't like we were playing Louisville or Michigan, but it wasn't College of Idaho or Willamette U, either.

    Davies will be missed next year, but something tells me that our Sophomores will all be improved. With Carlino, Haws and Collinsworth; the back court could be one of the best in the West. I'm hoping to see Haws moved to the 2 and Collinsworth at the 3. Austin played very well against Baylor and was much improved in the 2nd half of the season. He's still developing and should be improved again next year. Will Sharp, Ambrosino, Kaufusi or Mika get the other starting spot? Worthington and Shaw will provide additional depth for the front court.

    No football or basketball for the next 4 - 5 months. Aargh!

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    April 3, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    Thank you Dave Rose and the Cougar players for another great year. We all knew that it would be difficult as time went on and three bigs out, but to make it to the NIT and go as far as you did, makes BYU totally known through out the Nation. Hearing the many announcers that did the game praise BYU for their many achievements makes one proud to have attended this particular superior University.

    We are lucky to have not only a top notch educational school, but one with class and wonderful sports to watch and cheer for. It is FANtastic to be a fan of BYU.

  • That's A Good One Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    sammyg @ "I will not miss the inconsistency and frustration"

    Not to worry sammy. Carlino is coming back. We'll still have the inconsistency and frustration.

    I'm most happy for Davies and the path he took in manning up and dealing with his violation of the honor code. I believe the man will be successful in life no matter what he chooses to do. It would have been nice to see what might have happened if he'd have been with the team through the NCAA tournament that year.

  • That's A Good One Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    This was the best written article, with the most thought out, intelligent comments I've ever seen published on the Deseret News. Congratulations to all involved for such a stellar product and *on topic and undisruptive comments.

    There, Des News censors, does that meet your extremely unevenly applied criteria for getting a comment published?

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    April 3, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    What a great season! The "worst season" in the Dave Rose era is a 3rd place finish in the WCC, 20+ wins, and a final four appearance in the NIT. Pretty awesome ride!

    Love the fight and heart in the team, even after getting down by 10 late to Baylor. Carlino showed why we as Cougar fans should all be excited for the next two years. If he can develop some consistency, look out!

    As for the officiating, it didn't lose us the game. There were some tough calls, but that's basketball, and we still had our chances. If Carlino hits that 4th 3 in a row that just rimmed out, we're within 1 with 35 seconds left. As it was, we just didn't shoot well enough as a team to win. Zylstra was a no show, and we had no outside shooting (outside of Carlino in the last minute).

    Pierre Jackson was a beast, and ultimately won the game for the Bears. Hats off to him, he was the best player on the floor last night.

    Anyhoo, great season, and as always, it's a great time to be a Cougar!

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    April 3, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    Disappointing game that mirrored a disappointing season. Unfortunately, losing Davies will be significant (even with the incoming stud from LP). Collinsworth should adequately replace Zylstra, but I foresee several "lean years" for the Cougars through 2016.

    BYU consistently fails to recruit enough "bigs" to defend inside. (Baylor's bigs ran wild and were a huge difference. . . along with the crafty point guard who clearly outplayed Carlino and who was someone BYU could never defend.)

    Rose will get his 20+ wins against weak competition and BYU will continue to fold against tough opponents (and the occasional hot shooting WCC team). Wish the prognosis was different, but I also wish I could shoot my age in golf. The odds of BYU going to the big dance and me shooting my age this next couple years are about equal.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    April 3, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    We were short on Dave Rose roster due to injury before and during the whole season. 24 wins was a really good season. Hopefully next season all of our players will be healthy and ready for another good season. Oh yeah, no more Matthew Delli (sp?) from SMC.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 3, 2013 9:59 a.m.


    "Two critical calls doomed the Y."

    Cougs lose, blame the refs. Typical. You never hear Y fans saying "critical calls gifted the win to the Y." Don't believe me? Do a quick google search of the SDSU football game at LES back in 2010. See how many Y fans said, "were it not for the refs, we would have lost that game."

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 3, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    Too little, too late. Baylor was beatable.

    Great run and a nice finish to a season. Looking forward to the next season and seeing what post Davies will look like. I wish him well but I will not miss the inconsistency and frustration that showed up from time to time in his games.

    Hoping that Carlino and Hawes work hard in the off season and come out guns blazing next season.

    Go Cougars!

  • Montana Mormon Miles City, MT
    April 3, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    I graduated from Robert E. Peary High School in Rockville, Maryland, during the Tom McMillan years at the University of Maryland. (High school graduation was held at the Cole Field House, home of the Terps.) I have my B.A. and M.A. from BYU. I would have loved to see a BYU-Maryland match-up. Alas, both my teams went down during the semifinals.

    A 24-win season is stellar. Way to go, Cougs!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 3, 2013 8:25 a.m.

    Twenty four wins is nothing to be ashamed of. Many teams would love that.

  • Levin Hightstown, NJ
    April 3, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    I attended the game. I guess there were about 2,000 people in the stands at the start of the game, equally split between BYU and Baylor fans. The arena filled up quite a bit more as the game went on and the Iowa and Maryland fans arrived.

    But Baylor's official support included a pep band and cheerleaders (including a baton thrower) who were very active throughout the game. BYU had only cheerleaders who led maybe five cheers in the course of the whole game. Especially at the end of the game, when the BYU crowd could have used some leadership, they were sitting in their seats, acting ready to be done with all this. It felt like Baylor's athletic department was more interested in supporting their team for this game than BYU's was.

    All in all, a fun game. I'm glad my kids and I went. Wish Davies could have played better in his last game, but in the larger perspective, I'm glad he went out in a close game in MSG, rather than disappearing into obscurity after his suspension.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    April 3, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    Thank you Coach Rose and the Entire BYU Basketball Team. These last 4 games were fun to watch and I bet they were fun to play in too. God speed to Davies and Zylstra!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    April 3, 2013 7:20 a.m.

    Nice little run to end the season by BYU. Pretty cool to make it to the NIT final 4.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    April 3, 2013 7:18 a.m.

    Two critical calls doomed the Y. The first was that phantom foul called on Davies to give him foul #4 and send him to the bench at a critical time. The replay showed no contact at all from Davies. He was close, but no contact. The second was a result of a bad Haws decision. Haws had the ball in back court and got called for an offensive foul. The defender cut him off and the ref who made the call was about two feet away. The Ref was way to close to make a determination as to what the defenders feet were doing. Haws should have dribbled to the center instead of trying to force the sideline. That way he'd not have been called for a foul.

    All in all, the Y showed some guts, but there are no moral victories. They missed a lot of shots, particularly Davies, who normally makes those shots, and Carlino MIA for all but the last 90 seconds.

    My hope for next year is more consistancy from Carlino.

    Looking forward to next year.

  • Y-Ask-Y? Provo, UT
    April 3, 2013 5:43 a.m.

    Fun basketball to watch.

    Good effort, Cougars.

    'Til we meet again next season...

  • Bill Shakespeare Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 4:24 a.m.

    Great year Cougs!! When I see Haws's face in the picture, I think of, "Get to the choppa!"

  • CougAbroad Vienna/Austria, 00
    April 3, 2013 1:01 a.m.

    Based on the highlights shown in the video embedded in this article, you'd think that BYU wasn't even there! Speaking of not being there, did anyone attend this game? It looks like there are all of 200 people in the stands. Great finish to a disappointing year. Ha, that a 24-win season is disappointing speaks volumes of the program Dave Rose has built at BYU. Go Cougars!

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    April 2, 2013 10:30 p.m.

    It was a great run--not enough shots fell, and Baylor is a good team and in other circumstances might have gone deep in the NCAA tournament. Fare well, Davies and Zylstra.