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Published: Tuesday, April 2 2013 8:40 p.m. MDT

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Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

navelvet

Gotta laugh at how desperate the PACyWACers are to draw a distinction between Utah "Athletics" and Utah Rugby, especially since the Utah Utes Wikipedia, with its glowing praise of the Utah Rugby program, didn't even hint at such a distinction, only that Rugby is a non-varsity sport, in other words, a non-scholarship program.

The irony is NOBODY, except for a few Utah apologist bloggers, even cares. As far as the vast majority of hard core and casual fans are concerned, they read "Utah Rugby team suspended" and immediately assume that Utah Rugby is just as much a part of Utah Athletics as Utah Basketball or Utah Football.

None of your vain whining will change that perception.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

Snack PAC

"didn't even hint at such a distinction, only that Rugby is a non-varsity sport"

Uh, that is a huge distinction. And I think you underestimate how many people understand the difference between a club sport and an NCAA sanctioned varsity sport. Granted, nobody from Utah County seems to, but it's a different story outside the bubble.

Striker
Omaha, NE

Are Utah fans blind?

"RUGBY IS A CLUB SPORT AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CONFERENCE AFFILIATION."

"(1) Rugby is not an NCAA sport. It's a "club" sport. Therefore, Dr. Hill has nothing to do with it."

So you're all saying Utah doesn't care at all about a little ity bitty club sport that sometimes goes deep in tournament play? And many are defending it by essentially saying to slap them on the hand and move on? If a player breaks a rule, he should be punished. Utah fans are turning into other fans of schools like Ohio State, USC, and North Carolina...schools of big programs who get sucked into what the suits say about and don't want to admit that this embarrasses the school for YEARS. Welcome to the PAC Utah...you are just like USC and Oregon...Utah fans are right, they belong in that conference.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@2fer

I think the lack of understanding is on those that continue to claim the univeristy of utah's own rugby team, club or not, doesn't represent the university of utah. I understand the desire to claim it doesn't but your "frantic and emotional" protestations simply don't change reality.

It would be impossible for the university of utah to suspend or punish a rugby team that wasn't it's own. Surely you can "understand" that piece of truth?

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

truecoug1:

"The Rugby team violates SCHOOL RULES, and the punishment meted out is that they have to change their name to 'disassociate themselves' from the University, even though the University is still in charge of the rugby program?"

The Rugby club received funding from Campus Recreation. So do all those intramural sports programs from Greek Row, to LDSSA, to ROTC/NROTC, etc. As long as the university contributes money to an organization, it can set specific parameters within that organization, such minimum GPAs, minimum credit hours taken, members must be U students, etc. When my fraternity participated in intramural football, basketball, softball, etc, were not registered, nor authorized to identify ourselves, as "Univeristy of Utah". Had we started calling ourselves that, we could have been disqualified, and our seasons cut short. "Utah" is a brand that can only be authorized BY Utah.

"Why not just suspend the whole program in the first place, when the school rules violation happen, instead of going through this whole process?"

At one point, the Rugby team had permission to use Utah's brand. That was revoked. Why suspend the "Salt Lake Rugby club"?

SportsFan
Orem, UT

navelvet

You quite obviously don't understand the difference between intermural and intramural sports programs.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@NavalVet

Again, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. The rugby team was not an intramural team, it was a club team (as specified in this article and the Rugby Magazine articles). It fell under the administration of the University of Utah through the Campus Recreation Services department.

It had been branded as the University of Utah Rugby team since its inception up until this school rules violation in 2012 that happened on a school sanctioned trip. At that point, the school wanted to distance themselves from the program, and instead of punishing the offenders for the school violations, the ONLY punishment meted out is that the rugby program had to change their name, which they did. They were allowed to play all of last season after registering as the Salt Lake Rugby Club Team.

Now, the school suspends the rugby program for 'violating their agreement' and the rugby coach is shocked, since, to his understanding, they had complied with everything the school had asked them to do.

So to your question "Why suspend the "Salt Lake Rugby club"? Why indeed. It's weird, because that's what the University of Utah just did.

Doesn't look good.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

truecoug1:

"So to your question "Why suspend the 'Salt Lake Rugby club'"? Why indeed. It's weird, because that's what the University of Utah just did."

I already told you. I can't say it any plainer. The university revoked the team's permission to use the "Utah" brand, but permitted them to operate as a student club...just like OTHER student organizations (i.e. fraternities and sororities, LDSSA, the Hinkley Institute, and any other student group who receives student funding). But when that sanction was ignored, the university took a different approach...this time suspending the club altogether. I have no idea why that is so difficult for you to comprehend.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

SportsFan:

"You quite obviously don't understand the difference between intermural and intramural sports programs."

Having actually PLAYED both intramural sports AND extramural club sports while a student at the U, I know full well the difference. I just don't know from which subaccount club sports receive their funding. Fret not. I'll always be smarter than you.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@NavalVet "I have no idea why that is so difficult for you to comprehend."

It's not, I understand what you're trying to say. But I think you're having trouble answering my original question. WHY, when the rugby team actually broke school rules on a school sanctioned trip, did the University try to distance themselves from a club team that they still administered? The offenses still happened, and the individuals responsible weren't punished. Instead, they were simply asked to change their name, while still being allowed to play rugby.

It makes it look like the university was fine with whatever the program did (or, in this case, whatever rules it broke) as long as it didn't officially reflect on the university.

But the best part is that it doesn't matter if the rugby program had to change its name, it was still being administered by the university. Hence the suspension being handed down from the university, suspending the "university's rugby program" after this supposed breach of confidence in using the university's name (even though the rugby coach said they had done everything the university asked of them).

It reflects poorly on the university.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Naval,

Why is it that you seem to be the only one who doesn't get it? Ever.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

truecoug1:

"I think you're having trouble answering my original question. WHY, when the rugby team actually broke school rules on a school sanctioned trip, did the University try to distance themselves from a club team that they still administered?"

How should I know? How should ANYBODY know? Nobody really knows what "violation" occurred. I've heard "rumors" that it something to do with alcohol, but consumption isn't illegal for adults over 21. Maybe the university didn't want their "brand" connected to binge drinking -- and that's only assuming that was the problem. The "Salt Lake Rugby Club" does not touch Utah's brand. Student organizations are student run, and funding for student clubs are petitioned thru ASUU. If student clubs binge drink, an no student funding was applied to purchasing alcohol, no violation would have been committed, and thus, there would be no reason to close this club. However, this club violated specific instructions to not associate their club's name to the U, and this violated that clubs approbation.

And all of the above is based on flimsy rumor. Why don't you and Cougars1 -- who clearly doesn't get it -- wait until more information comes available?

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@NavalVet

Either way, it has not been a good year for Utah athletics. Setting aside the fact that neither the men's football or basketball teams reached .500 on the year, and that they both missed out on the playoffs, here's a few of the issues the university is dealing with (or has dealt with):

2012: Brian Blechen suspended 3 games for "multiple drug-test failures" for marijuana
2013: Niasi Leota gets kicked off the team for assaulting his wife in front of their children
2013: The Ute Swimming coach gets suspended, and subsequently fired, for allegations of sexual abuse with a 15 year old back in 2009. Chris Hill comes under fire for having known about these and other abuse allegations within the swim program, and not doing anything about them. Under investigation.
2013: UofU rugby program suspended indefinitely for violating apparent agreement with the University to not use the University's name in athletic competition. This agreement came about after the rugby team violated school rules and was punished by having to change its name(? that is still weird to me).

Like I said before, not a very good year for the U.

Go Cougars!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

truecoug1:

Nope. Not a good year for us. Nevertheless, better a bad year in the Pac-12 than an irrelevant year in the [Indy}WAC.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@NavalVet "Nevertheless, better a bad year in the Pac-12 than an irrelevant year in the [Indy}WAC."

Ah, poor NavalVet. Wanting so desperately for the U to be considered relevant and for BYU to not.

Unfortunately, Utah has never been relevant and nobody cares about them. I believe the whole Robert Anae being "mean" to the media got more press than the swimgate cover-up on the hill.

Why? Because BYU is the big school in town. Even Utah's move to the PAC 12 couldn't change that. The fact that Utah has laid a big egg since being in the PAC 12 hasn't helped their image either.

BYU has always been the top dog in the state. It drives the ratings, the papers, the radio.

And it brings out the best in 'fans' like U, Chris B, AZUte, etc.

Bottom line, BYU is a national brand, while Utah is currently running their football facilities out of a trailer park.

It doesn't get much more WACky then that.

Go Cougars!

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