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Published: Tuesday, April 2 2013 8:40 p.m. MDT

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sammyg
Springville, UT

It obvious that women's gymnastics and basketball has now become the future of U of U sports. It's time to make a bold statement with the continuing demise of U men sports like football, basketball, and now rugby.

The timing could not be better. Time to transition the U to just women's sports.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

LOL at the "frantic and emotional" attempts to pretend that the univeristy of utah rugby team does not represent the university of utah.

LOL!

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

2013 Player Registration
A $400.00 University of Utah Rugby Club fee will be accessed [sic] per player.

Coaches
Blake Burdette-Head Coach
Camden Burd-Team President
Rob Kingsford-Development
Josh Cox-Strength Coach
Bill Hadfield-General Manager
Richard J Ingebretsen, MD, PhD-Team Doctor
Hillary Williams-Trainer
David Kinikini-Academic & Team Advisor
Kelsey Price-Information Director & Media Contact

Seems like a lot of "coaches" for an "ultimate Frisbee"-like team. If the team isn't associated with the U, why do they refer to themselves as the "University of Utah Rugby Club" on their registration form and why, pray tell, 2fer, do they have an Academic Advisor? And, why do they have an "official" student cheering section called the "Rugby Ruckus"?

Sorry, U can run from this rugby fiasco, but U can't hide. Another black eye for Utah athletics.

Oregonian
Sherwood, OR

It appears the majority of the comments are whether the team is sponsored or affiliated with the University of Utah. Read the article - It says "The University of Utah rugby team". Now look at the photos - The jersey's have the University of Utah logo on them. If they call themselves the Univerity of Utah and they wear the logo, they represent the University of Utah regardless of the level of official support. With that said, I am more interested in what happened. That's a harsh penalty for an entire team. One from which may take a long time to recover. Is the University setting things up to drop the sport completely? I hope not.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Snack WAC:

Where are Dr. Hill's or Larry Scott's name on that list? Are you saying that the Athletic Dept. and the Pac-12 have nothing to do with the Rugby team?

Because you'll get no argument from us on that. In fact, we've been saying that all along; ever since pg 1 of this comment thread.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Duckhunter

Nobody has tried to claim that Rugby does not represent the university. Just that they don't represent U of U athletics.

@ Snack PAC

Rugby is a popular club team, but they are still a CLUB team. For some reason BYU fans are desperate to tie this to Utah's athletic department and Chris Hill, but they are simply not related.

Eddie
Syracuse, UT

I, for one, believe that things run deep when you uncover two or more major things at a university sports program. I would like to see the NCAA come in and do a major scanning of the u. There is something rotten on the hill and it has to run deep. The Athletics department has to be getting tired of running around with their shovels trying to cover up anything and everything that is happening now.

Add all this to the recent standings in the Pac 10.2 of the Football and Basketball teams and what you have is a devalued university where it will be very difficult to recruit the next few years.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

RedsNation:

The comments being made are desparate Indy-WACish attempts to tie the Rugby team to Utah's Athletic Dept. and/or the Pac-12. And that would be a giant FAIL!

As for myself, I don't know what it is the Rugby team is alleged to have done, but you don't exactly hear me defending the Rugby team against their sanctioning board either. All you hear me defending is Dr. Hill, the Athletic Dept, and the Pac-12, in that they have/had nothing to do with it.

Now if you'd like to refute that fact, then by all means...let's hear it. If not, then what was the point of your addressing me?

Kosta Fesenko
Chicken McNuggetville, UT

Psstttttttttt. Eddie.........your obsession is showing.

let's roll
LEHI, UT

Just curious...aren't all these folks focused on telling us the Rugby team has nothing to do with the Athletic Department or the PAC-12 the same ones who've been saying for years that the U was invited to join the PAC-12 because of the Medical School, being a well-regarded "research institution" and numerous other non-Athletic Department criteria.

If, as they contend, such non-Athletic Department criteria are important in evaluating Universities for potential admission into the conference because they lend to the prestige of the Confernce, it doesn't make sense to argue that the PAC-12 wouldn't worry about scandals impacting sports teams at the U tarnishing the reputation of the Conference, regardless of affiliation with the Athletic Department.

By their own logic, a scandel at the Medical school would tarnish the PAC-12, as would scandals with the Rugby and Swimming teams. They ought to at least remain consistent in their logic (or lack of same).

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ let's roll

Yes, there are academic standards to be a member of the PAC-12. There are not club sports standards. I guarantee you this story doesn't even register on the PAC-12's radar.

The PAC-12 might take interest if there were some sort of mass scandal going on in the academia at the U because it would indicate deep administrative problems which would weaken the profile of the school. However, if that was the case the outside world look at the situation and see that the University of Utah was having problems and was corrupt. It would not reflect well on the PAC-12 only because Utah is a member, but it would not indicate that PAC-12 itself was corrupt.

Likewise, in the Rugby case, the issue lies with the Rugby team and its coaches. It is not a reflection of how Utah athletics or any other academic program at the U is operated.

GO_COUGARS!
Provo, UT

Guys, this is such a huge black eye for utah athletics. Responsible corrective action being taken where it looks like some kids on a club team needed responsible corrective action. It's the only thing they've been talking about on ESPN for days. Huge national story- I'm surprised the Pac12 is letting Utah keep its membership.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Duckhunter:

"LOL at the 'frantic and emotional' attempts to pretend that the univeristy of utah rugby team does not represent the university of utah...LOL!"

LOL at you! Now that more information had come out, it appears your desparate attempts to align the Rugby team to the U was an epic failure.

Google "Utah rugby: Future of club team remains uncertain". There it says...

(1) "The University of Utah rugby program was suspended by the school for the rest of the 2013 season as well as the 2013-14 season after using the university’s name without permission..."

(2) "We were disappointed to learn the club was using the University of Utah mark after they were instructed not to last year."

(3) "Rugby Magazine reported that the [Utah] team and players registered with USA Rugby as the Salt Lake City rugby club."

Well, that's what you get for jumping to conclusions before all the facts are revealed. The "Salt Lake City rugby club" was NOT "represent[ing] the university of utah". They weren't allowed to.

backpacn
Sandy, UT

twofer

"Yes, there are academic standards to be a member of the PAC-12. There are not club sports standards."

You are so far into denial it's almost painful to observe. If there aren't any academic standards for club teams, what exactly does David Kinikini, University of Utah Rugby Club Academic and Team Advisor do?

The only reason this isn't a bigger story outside of the Wasatch Front is because the PAC 12 is absorbing an even bigger black eye because of their conference referee scandal. Utah Rugby, like all other athletic programs at the U, outside of the Red Rocks, is small potatoes.

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

Naval Vet

LOL at your frantic and emotional spin.

If the University of Utah Rugby Team wasn't representing the University of Utah, what right would the U have to suspend the team for the remainder of 2013 and the entire 2013-14 season?

Sorry, but the U can't have it both ways. Either the Utah Rugby team represents Utah, or the U has absolutely no authority to govern any aspect of the team.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@2fer

"Nobody has tried to claim that Rugby does not represent the university. Just that they don't represent U of U athletics."

Actually you did, on page 3 of this very thread. Here's the quote"

"To anyone saying this is a reflection of the conf., THE UNIVERSITY, or even the athletics department; you are wrong."

It is obviously a "reflection of the university". That said I think it is to bad and feel bad for the players themselves, utah had a very good rugby club.

nosaerfoecioveht
NSL, UT

Reasons for the suspension reported today:

"Rugby, which is part of Utah's INTRAMURAL sports program, was originally suspended last fall..."

"We were disappointed to learn the club was using the University of Utah mark after they were instructed not to last year..."

"The Salt Lake City Rugby Club tried to compete as the University of Utah, which the school deemed to be a misappropriation of its name..."

Classic! A lot of WACey 'fans' on this thread are wiping egg off their faces right now.

LOL!

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

nosaerfoecioveht

The "announcement" is hilarious:

The UNIVERSITY OF UTAH Rugby program was suspended by the school... blah, blah, blah

Who cares what they call themselves; the fact is the program is overseen by the school and represents the school when they compete.

PACyWACey Utah fans who are trying to pretend that the Rugby program doesn't represent the UNIVERSITY OF UTAH are only fooling themselves.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Solomon Levi:

"If the University of Utah Rugby Team wasn't representing the University of Utah, what right would the U have to suspend the team for the remainder of 2013 and the entire 2013-14 season?"

I already TOLD you. Reread my 7:13 am post earlier today. It's right there in #2: "We were disappointed to learn the club was using the University of Utah mark after they were instructed not to..."

nosaerfoecioveht also pointed out that the Rugby team, "...is part of Utah's INTRAMURAL sports program." That means, as part of the University's intramual sports program, the University DOES own some oversight.

Had the rugby team been playing as the "Salt Lake Rugby Club" rather than the "University of Utah Rugby Club", there wouldn't have been cause for suspension.

LOL at YOUR frantic and emotional need to defend the indefensible. That article PROVED that the Rugby team had nothing to do with either Dr. Hill OR the Pac-12, yet here you are, STILL trying to spin it as though it had.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Duckhunter

It is clarified in my last post when I said "the issue lies with the Rugby team and its coaches. It is not a reflection of how Utah athletics or any other academic program at the U is operated." If you look to a single club team to form an opinion about an entire institution, you are severely misguided.

However, with the new information that has surfaced it is apparent that there is absolutely no foul play on behalf of the university or its athletics department. Must be disheartening to all the BYU fans who tried so hard to make this situation into something its not.

@ backpacn

There are no club sports standards to be admitted into the PAC-12, such as "let's roll" was implying. Why would I bring up academic standards of a university intramural team?

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