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Published: Tuesday, April 2 2013 8:40 p.m. MDT

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@jdub1942

"As for BYU they don't have to follow this law because they are a private university, yet they choose to anyway."

I wish that were the case but it is not. Any university that accepts any federal money at all, and that includes federally backed student loans, grants, or other tuition aid, is required to adhere to Title 9. Title 9 is the law that decreed "equality" between the genders in sports although the actual enforcement of it is anything but "equal".

BYU did once have a good wrestling program, it also has a men's gymnastics program, but they were ended in order to comply with Title 9. The BYU mens soccer program is actually more than a club sport but it does not participate as an NCAA sanctioned sport. It instead plays in a professional league and is funded by the university but because it competes as a pro team it does not fall under the NCAA or Title 9.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

As for the utah rugby team getting scrapped this season, well that is a shame. utah had a good rugby team and now those kids have no opportunity to finish out this year. That is a shame.

#1 Champ
Salt Lake City, UT

Darn shame. I hope the Utes program can regroup in 2015. At first they'll be fine but as the months go by... expect some serious attrition, Utes.

Utes-Best Lil Brothers
Anaheim, CA

More frantic and emotional spin from the kids on the hill. We all know that these same crimson bubble dwellers who are frantically trying to distance themselves and the U from Utah's rugby team, wouldn't have hesitated for a second to beat their chests IF the Utes had managed to pull off an upset of BYU in the Wasatch Cup.

First swimming, now rugby - athletics on the hill are becoming more and more a disgrace.

Eddie
Syracuse, UT

I think that some of you ought to look into what all an Athletic Director really does or is suppose to do at a University. If he is not looking at even the Club teams, he is not worth the money he is being paid. There are others who can watch over these things also. It seems to me that there are a "bunch" of these people who should hit the road at the u due to their oversite of things the past couple of years.

Stop and think about how much money they make and how many assistant's they have and all one can do is shake your head and wonder what they do all day.

Some AD's earn their bucks (BYU) while others just want to ride the coat tails of their conference at the expense of the student athletes. How sad!

BYUalum
South Jordan, UT

After the swimming fiasco at the U, all one has to do is have an active imagination to see this rugby program swept clean off the mat. Sounds like a scandal of some kind that they are not willing to discuss to anyone, especially on Facebook! I agree; I think the U owes some kind of explanation to their fans.

Co Cougars!

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

I bet they could close down all sports because they cheat up their.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ sls

If that were true, why is basketball worth ten points and gymnastics is worth three?

@ Real Bass

Why? I am not involved with campus recreation at all.

To anyone saying this is a reflection of the conf., the university, or even the athletics department; you are wrong. The rugby team being suspended is really no different than an intramural team being suspended. Campus rec. oversees both.

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

twofer

"The rugby team being suspended is really no different than an intramural team being suspended."

Who do you think you're kidding?

A club team, like the UTAH Rugby team, competes against teams from across the country and is an OFFICIAL representative of the University of Utah. EVERYTHING they do, good or bad, reflects on the entire school, and specifically on Utah's athletics.

An intramural team represents nobody but themselves.

Any Utah fan who thinks the suspension of the Rugby team on top of the Swimming abuse scandal doesn't give the entire school another black eye is being extremely naive.

backpacn
Sandy, UT

navelvet

It's all very simple - the University of Utah Rugby program has been suspended by the school for the rest of the 2012-13 season and will miss all of the 2013-14 season because of unspecified player behavior, according to Rugby USA - another Utah athletic program embarrasses the school so disgracefully that Utah won't even discuss the specifics of why it was forced to take such drastic measures.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ TroyTown

"....and specifically on Utah's athletics."

You are wrong. Rugby is not affiliated with athletics anymore than the women's table tennis or quiddich teams are.

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

twofer

"Rugby is not affiliated with athletics anymore than the women's table tennis or quiddich teams are."

You can believe that if it helps you sleep at night, but, I'll bet you've NEVER seen a build up to a Utah women's table tennis match like this write up in RugbyMag:

"04 APRIL 2012

Wasatch Cup Could be Game of the Year

This coming weekend is Rivalry Weekend in D1-A college rugby, and no game is more anticipated, or more important, than BYU v. Utah.

Both BYU and Utah are undefeated in the West Conference – the Cougars are 4-0 and Utah 3-0 – and neither has really been tested too much in getting there."

The truth is, besides football, men's basketball, and the Red Rocks, Utah Rugby is the most high profile team on the hill.

Suspending Utah Rugby gives the entire athletic department a huge black eye. The public couldn't care less whether Rugby is a club sport or an NCAA-sanctioned sport. Like it or not, Utah Rugby still represents the University of Utah.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Solomon Levi

How could it possibly give athletics a black eye when it isn't affiliated with athletics? Chris Hill, and his staff, have nothing to do with it. Therefore whatever problem rugby is having is local to only the rugby team. It is not an indication that there is a lack of institutional control in the athletics department. Campus recreation is as closely related to Utah Athletics as the College of Nursing is.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

2fer

"Rugby is a club sport, just like ultimate Frisbee and fencing."

LOL at the spin!

Here's a dose of reality:

Block U, a Utah Utes community, Jun 6 2010

"Good news for those who follow rugby, as the Utes beat the top-seeded Cal Bears to claim the first ever USA Sevens Collegiate Championship.

Utah won 31-26 in overtime on the nationally televised event."

hmmm, nationally televised event, for a Utah sport that's "just like ultimate Frisbee"?

It's funny how the article didn't even hint that Utah Rugby was ONLY a "club" sport.

It was the Utah Utes versus the Cal Bears - big time sport; big time win; big time embarrassment for a school that had to shut down its program because of major behavior issues of its players.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

twofer

"How could it possibly give athletics a black eye when it isn't affiliated with athletics?"

Because the general public COULDN'T CARE LESS whether Chris Hill or some official in the Utah Recreation Department oversees Utah Rugby - it's a sport played by University of Utah students who officially represent the university.

Are you really so naive as to believe that 99.9% of fans on the street aren't going to associate Utah Rugby with Utah Athletics?

Perception is reality, regardless of how much you would like to pretend it's not.

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

2fer

We all thought denial was a river in Egypt, but it apparently flows freely from the hill.

You must buy Dramamine by the case to control dizziness from all of your spin.

Bottom line, one of the best men's sports teams on the hill was just hit with significant sanctions by the university - sanctions that Utah fans should be lamenting instead of trying to pretend that they don't care.

UoU 1991
Park City, UT

As a Utah alum and fan, I'm embarrassed by what has been happening with Utah's athletic programs recently. First, the swimming coach abusing swimmers in a manner that would make the Rutgers abuse seem tame, if the abuse had been video-taped. And now, Utah Rugby players acting so inappropriately that the entire program is suspended for over a year.

What's going on up on the hill, Dr. Hill? Is anybody in charge?

WA_Alum&Dad
Marysville, WA

UU. The Ohio State of the intermountain west. Utah fans must be so proud.

WA_Alum&Dad
Marysville, WA

The bottom line is this: do the players on the team have to be current students of the university to play or not? If they do, then it is a black eye to the university whether or not they are a scholarship sport. Why is this so hard for some fans to understand?

Lightening Lad
Austin , TX

Swimming, rugby, what's next? Does Utah have to do it the wrong way in an effect to compete? Seems so, yet football and basketball have been simply embarrassing in the PAC.

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