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Utah's congressional delegation not enthusiastic about immigration reform efforts

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  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    April 4, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    To oldcougar:

    Do you honestly think it's justifiable to allow anybody who comes here illegally to just be forgiven and given citizenship just because "they can't afford the time, nor the money" to go thru the established legal process?
    That's one of the worst arguments I've ever read about our illegal immigrant problem. According to your philosophy, we should open our borders and allow citizenship to the over 2 billion people of the world who currently "can't afford the time, nor the money" to immigrate here legally.

    The reason those people can't afford those fees is because they lack the education and skills to contribute in their own country, and consequently have very little, if anything, to contribute to American society. When people can't contribute to our American way of life, they become a growing burden, and then become experts on how to milk our overly generous system of entitlements and welfare. Then even more illegals become encouraged to do the same thing. That then contributes to making our terrible federal budget deficit problem becoming even worse than it already is. We don't want to denigrate into a socialist welfare country.

  • I-am-I South Jordan, UT
    April 3, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    I'm with Senator Lee. Let's fix stuff, but I really don't think handing over citizenship is as much of a fix as it is throwing gasoline on a fire.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 3, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    Why have immigration laws? The bad guys are just going to break them anyway.

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    April 3, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    we do not need immigration "reform".. existing laws are fine. they just need to be enforced.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    April 3, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    LGHERE:
    In describing America, chapter after chapter identifies “foreigners” and minority members who became successful in the US and how they’ve contributed to our society. However, most struggle in their efforts and need guidance in UT or Anytown, US. Perhaps intelligent immigration reform, concerned Americans, business/labor cooperation, and books like this can extend a helping hand. Good luck to all!

    LGHERE:
    Why do we need to reform our immigration lawswhen we could simply set up local resources for those who immigrate legally to our country? If those who have been granted permission to come here are struggling I don't see how changing any laws that they have already complied with and been accepted into the US will gain them a better pay level or understanding of our language or culture?

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    April 3, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    oldcougar

    Orem, UT

    If you have ever had to deal with the immigration system, personally, front and center, you would not say it is "not broken." It is not just broken, it's embarrassingly mangled. To put it simply: We make entering the country way too hard for good guys and way too easy for bad guys. Then, we blame our problems on the immigrants, we treat them like criminals, and we ignore the glaring failures or our own systems. Time to "cowboy up" and fix the system...while dealing humanely with the people who came here to survive. Yes, they broke "broken" laws to get here...but they came to make a living and most of them could never afford the time or money required to get here legally.

    So oldcougar can you explain why it is too difficult for these people who just break the law when 1 million other foreigners have no problem entering legally each year?
    Please show some data to prove where it is broken and how it is broken.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    April 3, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    No "Amnesty" by whatever name or euphemism it is called!

    No benefit or advantage for those who have broken the law and come here illegally. They can get in line and follow the law like 26 million other immigrants did, and then they will be welcome.

    Anything less than that is a huge attack on the very rule of law which is the foundation of our country. If others are allowed to violate laws, then I demand that everyone here legally, and every tax paying citizen be given similar "disobedience is allowed" treatment for any laws we choose to ignore. Speed limits and parking meters- ignore them! Taxes- why bother--- it's only some dumb law! Saving money and putting it in the bank- too harsh on needy families- just make "unauthorized withdrawals" but wear a mask.

    Demand obedience to all laws, or expect obedience to none!

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    April 3, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    nothing will be done because cheap labour is the back bone of construction in utah and they do what the big construction wants which is cheap below maket wages for more profit. it keeps people is a state of salvery, wage style and makes legit companies dissolve. republicans act like they dont like illegal labour but they really do and will block all reform like they are blocking everything all together in congress unless it is written to favour big companies it wont pass.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    April 3, 2013 11:04 a.m.

    We don't need more government programs or more laws. There are 2 things that need to be done.

    1. Secure the border, make it nearly impossible to sneak in. This is a security issue since there have been terrorists captured trying to cross.

    2. The application process to obtain a visa needs to be streamlined and simplified. That is the #1 reason why so many people come here and are hired illegally.

    The government is building a combine harvester when all we need is a riding lawn mower.

  • LGJHERE LOS ANGELES/USA, CA
    April 3, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    An interesting new worldwide book/ebook by ex-Salt Laker Lance Johnson that explains the struggles and contributions of immigrants and minorities is "What Foreigners Need To Know About America From A To Z: How to understand crazy American culture, people, government, business, language and more.”It paints a revealing picture of America for those foreigners who will benefit from a better understanding. Endorsed by ambassadors, educators, and editors, it points out immigrants and minorities are a major force in America. They come to improve their lives and create a foundation of success for their children to build upon. Many bring skills and a willingness to work hard to make their dreams a reality, something our founders did four hundred years ago.
    In describing America, chapter after chapter identifies “foreigners” and minority members who became successful in the US and how they’ve contributed to our society. However, most struggle in their efforts and need guidance in UT or Anytown, US. Perhaps intelligent immigration reform, concerned Americans, business/labor cooperation, and books like this can extend a helping hand. Good luck to all!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 3, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    @andyjaggy

    "How exactly are we supposed to secure the border?"

    Here's the secret: You don't actually need to secure the border. If you take away what illegal immigrants are coming here for, there's no need to try to keep them out. Take away their free medical care, free educations, and under-the-table jobs and there will be no reason for anyone to immigrate illegally.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    April 3, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    If you have ever had to deal with the immigration system, personally, front and center, you would not say it is "not broken." It is not just broken, it's embarrassingly mangled. To put it simply: We make entering the country way too hard for good guys and way too easy for bad guys. Then, we blame our problems on the immigrants, we treat them like criminals, and we ignore the glaring failures or our own systems. Time to "cowboy up" and fix the system...while dealing humanely with the people who came here to survive. Yes, they broke "broken" laws to get here...but they came to make a living and most of them could never afford the time or money required to get here legally.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    April 3, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    Republicans should recognize that immigration reform (which is code for amnesty and its variants) will doom their party. Just "getting along" or "reaching across the aisle" as espoused by the Deseret News and KSL is simply political suicide and should cause any Republican to pause.

    And no one wants to discuss the fact that changing the law will not change the behavior. Illegals will still cross the border. Since the current law is not and has not been withheld, why should they think that the next law is going to be any different?

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    April 3, 2013 9:48 a.m.

    It is ironic that the DN put Senator Lee's picture in the paper but has the title as Utah's delegation. Senator Lee sits by himself, however, in the Senate as no one will align with his posture. He got to the Senate at a time when there is definitely a divide but he has added to the divide in a non-productive way for our country and the State of Utah. The way he subverted Senator Bennett will ring for years in the Republican Party in Utah. Senator Bennett wasn't perfect but Senator Lee hasn't even grasped all the diplomacy that Senator Bennett did for our State of Utah and the United States of America.

    Senator Bennett stood tall in so many aspects of being a Senator. Senator Lee needs to lighten up and take in stride his responsibilities with the 99 other Senators that serve our country and citizens.

  • woolybruce Idaho Falls, ID
    April 3, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    We have 49 states that elect representatives to Senate and House, and then there is Utah that ensures that they will be involved with nothing. So why pay them or their staffs, to do nothing?

  • SLars Provo, UT
    April 3, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    How could Lee influence 8 senators that have fought for amnesty all their careers. This is not a cross section of different ideas, these senators were on the same page on day one.

    How can anyone comment on their ideas, when they have not released them?

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    April 3, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    How exactly are we supposed to secure the border? Everyone talks about it, I have yet to hear a practical solution to it. Short of sending our entire military to police the border 24/7, they are going to find a way to get across.

    I don't know if it's true or not, but I have read in several places that the immigration problem is going to largely go away on it's own, contributed mostly to a huge drop in birth rates in Mexico.

  • Steve Cottrell Centerville, UT
    April 3, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    I was very disappointed in Sen. Lee's withdrawal from the committee. He could have had some input in that final recommendation had he stayed with the group which is likely to produce the final legislation which will come to both houses of the legislature. As it is, by withdrawing, he is only one vote among the 100 senators rather that one vote among a much smaller committee.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    April 3, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    @terra nova
    The system is NOT broken. The feds have not delivered the required enforcement to control illegal entry and employment.
    The system has quotas and standards. It accounts for refugees, asylees, family members, people with special skills...
    We may need to adjust the NUMBERS. For example, we're importing needy people with low skills in the name of family unification. We ought to look at that. Perhaps more skills-based immigrants and fewer chain migration.
    And perhaps a million green cards a year is too many, especially in light of slow assimilation, unemployment of our own citizens and a stretched safety net.
    It's funny when you look at my laundry list above, NO ONE is talking about those issues.
    The system is NOT broken. Enforcement is broken.

  • terra nova Park City, UT
    April 3, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    All I know is that the system is broken. It is good that someone is working on it. It is more likely that a small group of highly interested legislators working together can cobble together ideas than having the entire congress attempt to tackle it. Thus this "gang of eight" (an unfortunate term) appears to be doing a good thing. Let's hold off on condemning their efforts until their work is unveiled.

  • Albert Maslar CPA (Retired) Absecon, NJ
    April 3, 2013 6:51 a.m.

    Utah legislators have reason to be not enthusiastic about welfare reform that will be written by committee consisting of the "Gang of eight" while magically at the last minute Senate Leader Harry Reid will produce a massive bill no one will have read, and voila, another fiasco akin to the 2,500 page ObamaCare no one has read. Add to that the additional bureaucracy and probably 10,000 pages of regulations, and one has to wonder if Congress is still relevant.

  • Veritas Bountiful, Utah
    April 3, 2013 6:42 a.m.

    No one knows what the Gang of Eight's proposal will be but I continue to be amazed at our junior Senator's personal failure to offer up any specific proposal on this issue. The more I think about it, what has Mike Lee done for us since he has arrived in Washington? He never seems to be in any group leading out with any proposals for change, whether or not it is with immigration, tax reform, or budget and spending controls. Senator Lee, please be more than a career politician, do something for us!

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    April 3, 2013 6:08 a.m.

    @tabuno:
    Actually the border security should not even be a part of this bill since that was promised under the 1986 bill. So we should expect Congress and the Administration to secure the border before any new bill is voted upon.
    We already have admitted over 26 million LEGAL IMMIGRANTS into the US since 87. Average of 1 million per year. 18% (4.6 mn) of those are from Latin American countries. We also have anywhere from 11 mn upward to 30 mn of those who either crossed without permission or overstayed their visa that in all fairness should not be given an easier path than those who are coming legally.
    That means that they should have to return home and apply at the very least and get in the back of the line.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 3, 2013 5:52 a.m.

    If any issue requires bipartisan support to resolve, no matter what it is, you cannot count on Utah's Congressional delegation to be on board. If ever there was a group totally beholden to the far, far right wing special interest groups, it is them.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    April 3, 2013 1:27 a.m.

    Deportation numbers are lies, Obama counted people turned away at the border, his predecessors listed them separate. This is one of the big myths about our enforcement. If you count them the same way, Bush deported more.

    I believe that enforcement of the laws, is more important than the border. Once a person crosses the border, they should be returned when discovered.

    As far as visas, we can't trust our elected officials.

    Obama has given two waivers, one to students, and one to family members. Their estimate is 3 million. Show the American people that you'll start enforcing our laws, and deporting those who overstayed visas, by deporting the rest.

    Without proof of enforcement, Americans need to reject this 8th amnesty push.

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    April 2, 2013 9:24 p.m.

    The United State Constitution was probably discussed and produced with as much secrecy as the proposed Immigration Reform bill and likely was discussed even in less time and involvement than that being suggested by the Utah Congressional delegation. Any delay or passing immigration piecemeal is only a tactic to defeat any real meaningful reform that is fair and just for everybody involved. The high deportation rate under Obama has been an embarrassment to liberals and ignored by conservatives so that they can just insist on having their closed isolationist borders without addressing the 11 million undocumented residents in the United States.