I would like to inform all of you bashing the cops that a 4,000 pound vehicle
traveling at 100 MPH on a city freeway is a lethal weapon. If he was pointing a
gun at you would you have shot him? If I too was armed I know I would have.
How is him pointing a 4,000 pound vehicle traveling at 100 MPS at you or your
family any different? He wrecked his car and was still moving aggressively
towards two officers after being tased twice and you think he shouldn't be
shot? If he would have harmed a member of my family or heaven forbid killed one
of them he wouldn't have to have worried about the cops. I'm sorry for the grieving family of this man I really am and I am sure
he was a good person in many ways. When he did what he did he knew the possible
outcomes and he made his decisions, now his family and friends have to deal with
the consequences. Thank goodness nobody else's family or friends have to
deal with them too. By the way, I am a liberal Democrat.
I would be the first to agree that there are situations where force and even
deadly force are called for but I'm not sure this was one of them. If it
is justifiable to shoot to kill when someone puts others lives at risk it would
be a daily occurrence. Every drunk driver is putting lives at risk and there
are drivers that aren't impaired who put lives at risk because they are
terrible drivers. We see drivers speeding through residential neighborhoods at
50 mph, since they are putting peoples lives at risk is the solution to shoot
them? Methinks not. In my opinion a good officer is someone who can bring a
bad situation to a conclusion without anyone suffering severe injury. From what
I have read and heard, this was not a deadly force situation.
@Brahmabullsandy, utDanielle Willard was also unarmed.Corey Kanosh was unarmed.Kelly Fay Simons ... unarmed, and shot in the
back was fleeing from Police.I've served in the military.I've had people shooting at me.I know it can be sacrey.But we were also trained and expected to be court-martialed for shooting at
airnautMaybe you didn't read the article. The police got calls
of a driver driving RECKLESSLY at over 100 mph. He crashed his car into a ditch
after not stopping for police. Then he came at them aggressively. If you are
defending those actions then no amount of common sense can help you.
It appears as if this guy had the intention of committing suicide. The police
perform a thorough investigation when anybody is killed by an officer. It would
be prudent to wait until such an investigation is over before commenting.
Obama10SYRACUSE, UT2nd, he placed in danger every one of the cars on
the freeway that night as he drove recklessly.============== Oh good grief -- You've NEVER driven in Utah, have you?This happens 24/7/365 here.An unarmed man didn't comply with
police commands to get down on the ground, so they shot him.I've see guys get tazed.If he'd already been hit twice, a 5
year old could have easily walked over and kicked him to the gorund.This is becoming more and more common place around here lately.
Unarmed, Speeding and not fully dropping in the mud while being tazed = Death
Penalty.I can hardly wait to see what will happen once
"Constitutional Carry" is passed.All Utah Law-enforcement will
have to automatically assume that ALL citizens are heavily armed to the teeth
terra novaIf you would like to join the police force and put your
life in danger so other citizens can be safe, by all means do so. I don't
think you quite know what happened as you weren't there. Neither was I. I
also think you overestimate the time that the officers have to decide what they
are going to do. These things happen in mere seconds, not minutes. A guy who
just tried to get away at speeds of over 100 mph is extremely dangerous. The
taser didn't stop him, as the article stated. There are people out there
that can kill you without a weapon in hand. If you had to choose to take your
chances with a crazy lunatic and hope you can fend him off, or shoot him which
would you choose? It is easy to say on a forum which one you would choose, but I
guarantee if you were in the situation you would think differently
For those of you judging the police, once again you are judging the wrong
person. The family indicates he had "problems" without being specific.
My guess would be drugs. 2nd, he placed in danger every one of the cars on the
freeway that night as he drove recklessly. Would your comments be different if
he hit and killed a family of four while they drove a mini-van home from the
movies? I am sorry for his family who have to deal with their grief at this
time, but really from their statements, it doesn't sound like they are that
surprised it ended like this. Police have a split second to make a judgment.
They tried the tazers and he kept coming. If you don't want to get shot by
the police, don't drive 100 mph down the freeway endangering me and my
Oh But they had Uniforms? They couldn't have abused their power could they?
After all some poeple only want the cops to have Guns.
I had to read the article again, because it didn't say he had a weapon -
not even a stick in his hand - did they really need to shot to kill?Just seems there was a better alternative.
Terra Nova, that is a rather detailed description you are providing of the
scene. Were you there?
NielT, I used to shoot with police quite often, many decades ago. I remember the
police told me they were trained to fire "as the barrel comes to bear".
I believe police practice was to use their baton if no weapon was visible. Has
practice changed over the years? What caused that change?
It always amazes me, how somebody does things that put other people's lives
at risk, and when they get what is coming to them, their friends and family can
only say how "wonderful" they were.I'm not going to prejudge
the action of the cops here. Let the investigation take it's due course.
But how does being a wonderful, caring family man correlate to risking the lives
of everybody on the road?
Terra Nova. Police are taught to shoot to stop which means center of mass.
Shooting in the leg is not an opion. The fact that he was unarmed concerns me.
I agree there may have been other options.
An unarmed man crawls out of a wrecked car. He won't stop and lie down in
the mud as commanded. They they taze him... twice. He manages to stay on his
feet because of all the adrenaline. He's stumbling toward them. Willard goes for the kill shot. Couldn't they have backed
away? Couldn't they have given him a little room? Or, maybe just shot
him in the leg?Or, couldn't they have just broken off the
chase? Maybe used a radio (it's pretty fast) to get ahead of him? Was it
worth what happened?
I am just happy that he didn't kill anybody during his episode of evading
the police. He clearly didn't care about what happened to him or anybody