The pro-gun readers aren't going to find the reailty of this artilce very
flattering or supporting their cause - because it isn't.In fact
- I'm just waiting for them to start calling the Deseret News liberal
for printing it, and how the Deseret News is all part of the
Liberal-Left-Wing-Media....waiting, and watching...because I Know
it's gonna happen....
In 2007, an estimated 12,998 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving
crashes1 – a decline of 3.7 percent from the 13,491 fatalities in 2006.
Source: NHTSAIn 2007 there were 12,355 firearms related suicides.
These are hard numbers and represent real people. Where is the same
out cry and ban on alcohol, after all it the booze and not the person drinking
Thank D-News for highlighting a topic that impacts too many people in Utah.Educating gun shop owners is a great way to start addressing this
problem, and if we can reduce the number of suicides in Utah without making
citizens feel like tyranny is around the corner, then all the better.Bravo!
I heard a statistic recently stating for the white population in the U.S., for
every one person killed by a firearm as a result of homicide, five die from
suicide. In the black population the numbers are reversed, every suicide is
superceded by five homicides. The vast majority of people using a
firearm to commit suicide already had the gun at home. Expecting intervention
by gun dealers to signifcantly reduce suicides is unlikely. Owners of firearms
and household members have to be made aware of the risk of death and need to
take measures to severley restrict access to guns within their homes.
There is already an outrage about alchohol. That's why you go to jail when
you drive under the influence or sell to the under age.
An interesting side fact that I would have liked have seen in the article is how
many gun deaths are from "assault rifles."I may be the
"gun nut" that some commenters have referred to, but really, read the
emotions of the article. This one is different. Guns (here) aren't bad
because they enable people to kill other people. They are bad because they
enable people to kill themselves. And I agree that this is a whole different
argument.So this article says that three of of five gun deaths are
self inflicted. Why don't the other articles, like those about evil
assault rifles, point that out? I am guessing it is because the other articles
have a different point to make. Why didn't this one make clear that, in
this case largely handguns are the problem? Because the authors have the OTHER
point to make.It doesn't seem honest. It seems
disingenuous.And since you called me out in advance, I won't
disappoint: The Deseret News should teach their reporters how to do fact-based
writing as opposed to emotion based editorializing.Most unbecoming.
JDL... There is a very small minority that supports an outright ban on gun
ownership. Most people who support increased gun control only support limiting
access to certain types of guns and limiting ammo capacities. However, you make
a valid point. We, as a state and as a country, regulate alcohol to a much
greater extent than we do guns. So I'd be more than satisfied if guns were
available but were regulated to the same extent as alcohol.
@JDL"Where is the same out cry and ban on alcohol, after all it the
booze and not the person drinking it."Okay, and alcohol is
regulated. Therefore it's okay for me to support regulations on guns too.
How many suicides are accomplished by prescription, or non-prescriptions
drugs?How many by carbon monoxide from car exhausts? Ban cars?How
many by hanging- ban rope and necktie sales?How many times do we see
"suicide by cop" stories?Suicide cannot be solved by gun
laws, but as a mental health issue, and even then, the success rate will be
small, as these are irrational people committing an irrational act.
merich39.... There is an old saying. If you give them an inch they will take a
mile. Our government knows no boundaries. Look at our debts!
Fewer guns will not effect the suicide rate. Canada and Australia both have very
stringent gun control, and both countries out run the US in suicides to the 16 -
65 age groups. Those are UN accepted statistics. Put that in your pipe and smoke
Not long ago I read a book called "Proofiness" by Charles Seife which is
about the use of numbers and such to sway an argument even if the numbers are
made up.We must be careful of throwing statistics and such about. I wish
we had confidence that what is put out on any subject is right and not just
exageration (or lies).Anyone can practice proofiness. Even a government
official are human enough to do so.
Gregg Weber--as a retired teacher, I often heard the words "studies", or
"research", to describe a new teaching strategy rammed down our throats.
Many of these strategies were ineffective.I'm sure alcohol
leads to more suicides then guns.
If only guns could be used in abortions or for euthanasia, then the second
amendment haters would love guns!
Mountanman. You still posting? In another story, I thought that you had been
captured. (sorry, couldn't resist :))
@MountanmanYour point reminds me of something that could cause the
liberals to be the most anti-choice/abortion people in the country. If it is
ever proven that homosexuality is genetic and can be detected in the womb prior
to birth, imagine how ballistic they will go with parents choosing to abort
rather than have a gay son or daughter.
@ happy2bhere. Amen brother! Some of us have to point out the hypocrisy of
This is silly argumant without any fooundation.Obviously if you have
gun you are going to be more successful at suicide,But if some ne is
going commit suicide they will try whether they have a gun or not.For reasonable people suicldes have no bearing on gun laws.
"But if some ne is going commit suicide they will try whether they have a
gun or not."There are many people who attempt suicide and are
unsuccessful. But not usually with guns."For reasonable people
suicldes have no bearing on gun laws."Profound. Then again, I
would say that "reasonable people" dont commit suicide anyway.