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Published: Thursday, March 28 2013 7:08 p.m. MDT

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bored
Lindon, UT

Has anyone considered that $2.7 million for a library in such a small town might be a little over the top? This is the fundamental problem of government. In the private sector, you don't spend that kind of money unless you make that kind of money. If you take on risky debt, you also risk losing everything. This should not be any different for public and gov't buildings. Why not start with a smaller building? The waste in government is embarrassing, and it's done by all of our good friends who we elect. Maybe it is time to start electing the more fiscally responsible people rather than the most popular people.

Esquire
Springville, UT

Everyone thank Utahns Congressional delegation for the loss of funds to help our small communities.

And "bored" should find out how much things cost in today's world.

techpubs
Sioux City, IA

Remember that the sequestration is supposed to be a reduction in the planned spending increases by Congress and the Administration. Instead the Administration has decided that they will still keep all of the planned increases and cut from other programs that existed before.
It's similar to me saying to the family, "I didn't get a $1000 bonus this year. The boss only gave me $750. But I'm still going to buy that $1000 big screen TV for the garage and you kids will have to do without new clothes this year to make up the difference because we have to cut somewhere."
And we re-elect them to another term.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

The "cash cow" from the federal government has existed in a lot of these "partnership" actions since the early 1970s. It sounds good when the money was flowing, now the ship of state has pulled back 5 percent and people are already writhing in pain. They aren't starving and that library is much larger than the older libraries and fancier.

With Internet access to online resources almost in every home, libraries are still important but the almost $3M price tag seems it could have been toned down. The Tooele County has benefitted for decades from the CSEPP dollars that flowed into the county along with the Army's Chemical Weapon Destruction Program dollars through the Army and contractors. They will be going through a withdrawal process as the ships have left and the seagulls are having to change their DNA to working more and enjoying it less.

G L W8
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Why be surprised? Utah is a mostly Republican state, rich in resources. The message is clear from the Administration: support the Democratic Party and this won't happen to you another time.

justamacguy
Manti, UT

Somebody tell the people in Grantsville about the internet. The internet has been killing libraries for years. A bigger selection of resources and it comes right into your home. As for lost revenue from the Feds, well, this shows why these lands would be better managed by the state. And then revenues would be directly collected by the state instead of the Feds instead of being taken out of the state and redistributed.

Steve Jensen
Herriman, UT

Re:"bored"

Really? You think $2.7 million for a library of that size and finishes is expensive? Being in the construction business I can tell you that is a good deal. It’s not a waste when the public gets something in return (like a library, school, roads, and higher teacher wages). What is a waste of money is having the government employ so many people. I have worked with government agencies and they have anywhere from 3 to 5 people when the work load could be done by 1 to people!
Also, each year a government department/agency are given so much money. Even if they don’t need it all they spend ALL of it on things that are Not needed. Why? Because if they don’t spend it ALL then there budget the next year gets cut and they won’t have as much money where they need it or not.
Flush goes the tax payer’s money…………

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Re: Esquire

I believe "bored"'s point was not that the library itself was not worth the $3M (a big building like that costs a lot of money) but that maybe a small town of 5 or 6 thousand that is just a few miles away from another town may not need a library at all and even if it does, there are cheaper alternatives.

The government does not consider those kinds of factors. They will easily spend massive amounts of money on buildings that go unused, roads that go nowhere, or services that are not necessary simply because they derive power from being able to spend it.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Money has too much surface tension, it stick and holds it self until there is some gravity weight. or some force behind it. Ronald Reign proved that.

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Get a grip....Obama is a disaster, he couldn't even buy a house before he was president without the help of Tony Rezko. Stop treating him lke he is some financial guru. He got zero votes for his last budget...that's an "F" where I went to school! ALL OF THIS FEDERAL MONEY IS BORROWED FROM YOUR GRANDCHILDREN WHO ARE NOT EVEN BORN YET OR HAVE A JOB! It's as if Obama is reaching into the back pocket of three yr olds and stealing their money! Some communities will just have to go without....blame it on the DEBT!

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Libraries are wonderful places, however modern libraries have morphed into something akin to an amusement park from the previous from pillars of education and fountains of knowledge that they once were. To me, building a library makes about as much sense as putting in new hitching rails along main street.

I think that the financial troubles being ballyhooed for political reasons are misdirected when blamed on the wages and benefits of workers The real reason for the financial mess is the business corruption of our civic leaders in the construction of dubious civic needs, like libraries, theatres, Utopia, unjustified public transportation, and a million other scams.

If only our civic leaders would provide the government services that people really need rather than those that the unscrupulous say that we need, we could get by on a lot less government and a lot less taxes/

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

JoeCapitalist2

“The government does not consider those kinds of factors. They will easily spend massive amounts of money on buildings that go unused, roads that go nowhere, or services that are not necessary simply because they derive power from being able to spend it.”

I assume that the government you refer to is the local government. The Grantsville library is being built by businessmen at the behest of the local civic leaders.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Truth.

I don’t know if President Obama is a friend and savior to the American people. But it seems that he is the enemy of the businessmen controlling our national government, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

As one of the American people I am well aware of the nature of the people who support business profits over the welfare of the American people.

Uncle Gadianton
Salt Lake City, Utah

To: JoeCapitalist: The population of Grantsville is about 10,000. The City has had a library for many years, but it was housed in other buildings which were shared by other government offices (most recently the City's Offices).

Great cities have great libraries. The building is very nice (grand opening on April 13), and will serve as an important community resource.

rick122948
boise, id

Even at a national level, Republicans are realizing that being the party of opposition isn't and hasn't worked outside enclaves of religeous conservatives like Utah and the south. The American people need to realize that the 1% are focused on increasing their piece of the pie not on expanding access to the American dream. They maintain their power by owning the political process of the country. They buy the election of both Democrat and Republican politicians who once elected have only one job, getting re-elected, and have to fund their ever increasing campaign costs by serving the needs of the 1% without raising too much moral outrage among the 99%. The solutions are simple get rid of professional politicians, lobbyists, PACs, and take the election process away from the 1% and the media industry. Revise all government spending based on cost/benefit values. If you get rid of massive advertising in elections the elections would then be covered by media as news or features. It is ridiculous to pay retirements and benefits to politicians when they are by definition temp jobs.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

I believe Tooele is a county that votes more Democrat than Republican. Also, the heavy spending states with public money are run by Democrat politicians with enabling act included in their money bills.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

I don't Understand How Sequestration Affects Mineral Royalty Payments. If The Agreement Between The States And The Fed Is To Return A Certain Percentage Of Mineral Royalties, Why Should Problems The Federal Government Is Having Change This?

JWB
Kaysville, UT

Grantsville got the benefit of the Wal-Mart Distribution center instead of California due to Utah non-union state. Larry Miller's big race track was about $100M so $3M for a library is a small amount. Tooele has a great wireless Internet system so a cable doesn't have to be laid or hung to get a great resource for the library.

Federal legislators just don't have a concept that the money machine has to be managed. When their two years in office are half-over, they are already campaigning for their next run. Even long-term Representatives have been voted out. Some districts are so small geographically for some due to the large population centers that those districts have a new agenda with realigning every 10 years.

ttripp
Grantsville, UT

O’ Donoghue’s article is completely inaccurate in regard to the financing of the new Grantsville City Library. The Grantsville Library was financed via the Tooele Redevelopment Agency from part of money from the sale of the old Tooele Army Depot that was closed in the 1990’s. The revenue was supposed to be used to create community improvements to somewhat off set the loss of the employment. The library was built not only to hold books, which it does very nicely, but it also as community center with conference rooms and technically up to date classrooms that will be used by the local USU Tooele campus and for other worthy purposes.

The library’s financing had nothing to do with mineral revenues or loans from Utah Div. of Oil, Gas, and Mining. While the article may have some merit, it had nothing to do with Grantsville’s new library.

Tom Tripp
Grantsville City Council Member

Doug10
Roosevelt, UT

Utah Division of oil, gas and mining should re think the use of these resources. It is nice to have brick and mortar buildings as something to point at but in the areas where the growth is would be target areas to be developed.

Duchesne county is one of the lowest paid group of teachers in the state. They are asked to educate the children of the workers in the oil and gas fields so the population and numbers in each class are high and the teachers are paid less.

Duchesne county has 2 swimming pools that are older than dirt and are only operated during the summer months. No recreational center for winter months.

Duchesne and Uintah counties have more natural resources that could be developed but this state is too busy with its hand out to the feds. Utah needs to build its own pipeline to provide thousands of jobs but the short sighted state politicians do not have that on their radar scope.

With the current leadership in Utah this state will continue to be a welfare state taking out more fed funds than it puts in.

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