I'm not sure why the residents around the MTC are being vilified for this
situation. There is absolutely no way that the proposed construction would have
been completed in time to absorb the current surge of missionaries. If anyone
deserves blame, it should be the Church Missionary Department for failing to
anticipate the size of the surge and the necessary logistics to accommodate it.
Guy Smiley of Utah*I have to admit this reminds me just a bit of
thousands of cattle being herded into a corral where they are fattened up with
teachings to be ready for market."What a negative view of
missionary work and preparation? I see it as a sign of the times, a wonderful
development in which the opportunities for spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ
will be greatly expanded. I say Hurrah. Things are happening on this earth,
both good and bad. The times are hastening on. This is wonderful, and the
young people willing to sacrifice years of their lives are doing incalculable
good in the world. What a testament to God and His church.
Actually, with the way the contracts work, I am not sure 900+ people are being
effected. Since the current contracts expire at the end of April, it is likely
many residents were planning on moving anyway.
I have to admit this reminds me just a bit of thousands of cattle being herded
into a corral where they are fattened up with teachings to be ready for market.
@Noodlekaboodle"FYI a religion that controls a government is a
theocracy, which is what we apparently have in UT."And yet, that
religion was unable to build the new tower to house the missionaries in the
first place.So much for you pet theory that a religion controls the
government in UT.
Noodlekaboodle: Those of us who have lived in Provo for a long, have known that
the MTC needed to be expanded. And after all the land does belong to the church
so they should be allowed to add on if they want to. Those complaining
didn't want their view of the landscape ruined by the tall building. What
is the view besides haze and a dirty lake? I would be willing to bet that the
church will add onto the MTC anyway.
If the building had been approved, it wouldn't have been finished by now
anyway. Continuing to try to vilify people for it when the Church was the one
who made the decision to terminate the project is ridiculous. There still would
have been a need for this temporary solution even if the Church had continued to
press forward with its high-rise plan. If you feel an incessant
need to blame someone, blame God; He lowered the missionary age.
Why not build the 9 story building and cover it with a cloaking device???
I don't know if the article got everything correct. Usually apartment
complexes in Provo start offering summer contracts the beginning of the year. I
understand that the "current" winter semester contracts are up on April
27th, but if summer contracts were signed by both parties at the beginning of
the year, I think students have the right to be upset. If there's something
in the paperwork that says those contracts are null/void until the Spring term
actually starts (after the 27th), there's not any problem. Previous
commenter Jeff_3 seems to be one of those students who signed on past April
27th. Saying that there won't be any shuttles seems to be premature. From
the article, we know that there will be cafeterias, classrooms, and other
facilities at Raintree/Wyview, but missionaries will still need to get to the
temple, 1.6 miles away. That's a long ways to walk. Just my 4 cents
(adjusted for inflation).
Back in the good old days, during the great expansion of missionary work after
Pres. Kimball said "every worthy young man should serve a mission" and
"lengthen your stride", I had the supreme hardship of being housed in
the upper story of Amanda Knight hall during the summer of '75 with no air
conditioning (oh the humanity!), and having to walk all the way to the Italian
House for class, there and back twice a day - it must have been two or three
whole blocks away. The more things change, the more they remain the same.Get over it people. The leases expired. If you paid a deposit down for
the summer, you'll no doubt get it back. And no, the LDS
church is not the government of Provo. If they were, the highrise would have
gone forward as originally planned.
Having been in the military in various bivouac modes and in operational
exercises with K- and C-rations and MREs and other forms of food, I am sure the
tent situation could be bearable but not the best and conducive if that is what
they choose. Missionaries may have it better in that environment than in some
of their mission areas but for the extensive training and language processes,
mosquitos, bugs, humidity and cold, etc. are not the best but doable. A 9-story
air conditioned and well-built structure would be more enduring and more
beneficial. It is like people that moved to an airport area and then complain
about the air traffic. If you moved into a home around the industrial complex
of the mission training, BYU and Temple complex, they knew that building would
proceed into the future. Academic and facilities change due to circumstances
and growth. BYU and the Church could have bought a lot more land to begin with
but the professors and others moved to the higher ground and didn't want to
have the "the world is our campus" blocked of the lake and lights.
Geneva moved my grandfather off their dairy for WWII.
Some of you need to read the entire article:"Current housing
contracts expire April 27."The church has obviously been
negotiating this for several months. The majority of Raintree residents are
students who will be returning home for the summer. For those staying in Provo
for the summer, it's not at all difficult to find housing during the
summer. In fact, many apartment complexes offer substantially lower rent during
the summer to attract more residents. The full affect on student housing
won't be felt until next fall, but at least the students will have a full
summer to find alternative housing.As far as shuttles - there
won't be any. All of the housing, classrooms and cafeteria services will be
housed in a fenced in area at Raintree. Missionaries living at Wyview will have
to negotiate that treacherous journey across Freedom Blvd. If you think housing
the cafeteria in a tent is problematic, try visiting a firecamp for a large
forest fire fighting operation sometime. Except for a little more fresh air,
you'd never know you were in a tent. Everything, including drink machines
and salad bars is the same as in a normal cafeteria.
Dang, The arrogance on this thread is palpable. You don't own the state
Mormons or even Provo. Not everyone cares about "the lords work" some of
us even think it's not the lords work at all...... If I was a raintree
resident who signed a lease for summer semester I wouldn't leave without
compensation for the inconvenience. I know when the build the Target in SLC I
was living in a house back in that industrial area. I got Target to pay 2 grand
to break my lease 6 months early. If I lived in Raintree I would ask for the
same thing. Now, on to the tower. If you were promised that no tall buildings
would be built on land by your house how mad would you be if the company(i mean
church) was to turn around and try and do that anyways, and pressure you in your
church meetings to let them break their promise I would be really upset. But I
guess the church is more important than you so they can do whatever they want
right? FYI a religion that controls a government is a theocracy, which is what
we apparently have in UT.
@jeffe_3: I'm currently living at Raintree and actually had re-signed
contracts to live there for the next year. I was not told of ANY of this until
Wednesday of this week. There has been a rush on apartment complexes in the
area and I had to drop $500 (deposit and first/last month rent) to get a spot
right now. If I had waited I would have been homeless. Which is hard when I have
a job and I'm going to school up here. I'm glad that it's going
to a good cause, but the fact that they encouraged re-signing contracts and now
are telling everyone to get out isn't fair to anyone. The part that makes
me really angry is from what I've heard is the Church approached the
management back in October and they made the decision to go with it a week ago.
There is a really nice vacant lot right across the street from the MTC that has
a small parking lot and water tanks on one side. If the Church doesn't
already own that, they ought to buy it and build a nice big high rise apartment
complex attached to the MTC via foot bridge. That would poke the eye of all
those Provo residents who complained about wanting to build the nine story
building at the MTC. My guess is the Bretheren knew more about what
was going to happen in the future than the residents that complained.
Interesting how lack of insight causes problems? I hope those residents get
some insight.Oops, it might restrict their view of the Temple to
build there. Bummer.
Re: SundanceKid27:"So how can an apartment complex kick students
out who have contracts but when students have contracts there is no way they can
get out of them?"State law doesn't allow kicking tenants
out as long as the lease contract is still in force. Even if a new owner (the
church) had purchased the complex and wanted the space, they would need to wait
until the contract term expired for all of the tenants before they could make
the tenants move.I don't know the details of the students'
lease contracts but I imagine that the lease terms coincide with the term end at
BYU, which is in about a month.
So how can an apartment complex kick students out who have contracts but when
students have contracts there is no way they can get out of them.
I agree with lightening lad I would hope those are not LDS people who are
voicing disapproval for the Lords work to continue, how sad that would be to
frustrate the missionary efforts by our not being able to see the hastening of
the work that President Monson spoke of.
Progress...if it going to be done - it will be done right by the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints. Progress means changes and hopefully the
homeowners, etc. will look at the whole picture and forget about themselves.
This is the will of the Lord and residents can be grateful and helpful or make
it difficult and hopefully it won't be difficult. There's going to
have to be an abundance of patience, understanding and less of "what about
our view and convenience". It will work out - just wait and see.
It is a risk factor that wouldn't be there if the original complex had been
approved. Walking, riding, time efficiency, safety, health, etc. An apartment complex isn't built the same as the MTC specifications and
classroom walls are not as conducive to practicing language skills and Preach My
Gospel scenarios. You do what you have to do. Even in Utah County
and in Provo, Brigham Young's second school, the people could have been
more friendly for a complex that would have been a better process for
missionaries, especially in this forward movement, and next to a Temple.People have their choice and this is true even with freeway construction
when people tell the highway department not to put up sound walls as they block
their view. Life is a balance and you give up something for the benefit of the
community, which in Provo, is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,
with the Brigham Young University and all the businesses relating to that
industry, including the Utah Valley University.People don't
want others to move in to a place after they have moved in. Developers do that
placing homes further apart at first.
Are the residents on a school year lease or month to month? It could be their
lease may be running out anyway. I suspect the apt owner will receive a very
large amount of money to cover the lost rent and "incentive funds". Will
the owner pass some of the loot to those rentals who might have a lease longer
than the time they will be allowed to stay?
Something tells me the residents who fought the 9 story addition will live to
regret their opposition. This has the recipe of a huge mess. Not only ugly
temporary structures but a traffic/shuttle bus nightmare. Sometimes we have to
just accept progress and allow for the fact that is we want an unobstructed view
of the mountains we need to move further up the hill. Nobody has the right to a
view, unless they own all the property between their home and the object they
wish to view. Mark one up for narrsesistic residents who want it all. I remember
some of those speaking out against the stadium expansion because they would no
longer be able to view games from their rooftops, for free.
They gave all 900+ of their tenants one month to move out and find another
apartment. That's insane given the difficulty of finding openings in Provo.
I'm glad I'm not one of them but I've already spoken to several
tenants who are furious. Good luck to all of them.
The amazing thing about this story as written isn't the logistical issues
associated with last minute moves and making it all function, it's that
they can find someone who can actually teach people to speak Finnish... wow...
that's a feat !