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USU grad's career plans back on track

Published: Monday, March 25 2013 6:50 p.m. MDT

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SLars
Provo, UT

He could of returned home between 18 and 19 years of age. Filled out the papers and come back on a legal student visa. (front of the line 2 months to 6 month wait)

So he did not do every thing he could. Who's social security number did he use, who's ID? What about his i-9 perjury? or the felony the people that hired him committed? How many people turned their heads?

The AP has an article about the other side of the issue. The story of Candida L. Gutierrez who had her identity stolen. I hope the Deseret news reports it. It's an eye opener.

Pete1215
Lafayette, IN

We the people need some data. Does the deferred action program result in a net plus for us taxpayers, or is this yet another government program adding to out defecit spending (welfare, emergency room visits, etc.). I don't believe we can expect Mexico to bail us out anytime soon.

Nosea
Forest Grove, OR

Snow Board Instructor, two higher education degrees with offers coming in--Oscar has had way more opportunity than many of us native US citizens ever get. I could barely afford to ski once a year at Beaver Mountian (where Oscar works no less) when I was going to school in Cache Valley, and with two engineering degress (and higher grades) behind me, I am out of work once again--with no offers coming in for years at a time. It seems like all the non-citizens and H1B visas (I design ICs)have a huge advantage over native citizens, even in our own country; and I did not even get into the outsourcing of jobs to other countries. It is really stacked against the white guy (who does not happen to be a business executive, doctor, or lawyer) in this country right now--as this article amply demonstrates as well.

AlexD
Salt Lake City, UT

Nosea - Read the article. Oscar made his own opportunities. He works at the mountain, which gives him a ski pass, just like every other employee that works there. Those jobs don't pay much, and they're pretty easy to get - because they don't pay much.

He left his family behind to get an education. He paid his own way through school by working. He started his own businesses. He contributes to his community. Nobody gave Oscar anything. He earned every opportunity he was "given".

You should be inspired by this story of grit, determination, hard work, and the will to succeed. Oscar Marquina is EXACTLY the kind of person who America should welcome.

America wasn't built by whiners. This country was built by men like Oscar Marquina who didn't sit around waiting for somebody to hand them a future - they made their own future. I suggest you learn from Oscar Marquina, quit whining, and get busy doing.

Nosea
Forest Grove, OR

AlexD:

I would argue I have way more grit than you or Oscar, and a lot less opurtunity in my native nation than Oscar now has. With 16 patents and 17 years in analog IC design, including 10 at Intel, and I am out of work again so that H1B visas and foreigners can get these jobs. I recently interviewed in five different states and the average foreigner to native citizen ratio I would estimate at 85%; and hiring managers were closer to 95%. Obviously, I am not getting any offers, just as construction workers walking on to a job site that has 85% hispanics will walk away without a job also--there is an innate bais among these groups. It has nothing to do with grit, rather foreigners favoring their own now that they have reached a critical mass.

SLars
Provo, UT

AlexD

Is it OK to get ahead in life by breaking the laws? That's not grit. He took plenty from the taxpayers, from $8-9000 per year for schooling in New Jersey, to $6000 per year for college, paid for by the taxpayer.

He took a job from another student or minimum wage earner illegally, he committed perjury for each job he took on 1-9 forms.Who's social security card did he use? If paid cash, he was breaking tax laws. Does the end justify the means?

We need to look at these sympathy pieces, and stop turning our head at the harm done to America and it's people. Search the persons name that I posted earlier. It's an AP story, it's a lesson on about the other side of the illegal immigration story.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

People seem to forget that this is an illegal power grab by an unethical president.
The President lacks the power to regulate immigration through Executive Order.
But hey, amnesty's popular so why not?
And Nosea above points out the clear problem here; we are importing cheap labor to compete with our own workers and students. And rewarding them with amnesty. That makes no sense at all.

PS- Please add this term to the Newspeak Dictionary. Deferred action = amnesty. It sounds so much nicer.

Granny
Saint George, UT

Oscar's grit, determination and intellect should/could be used to improve life in his country of origin.

I agree with the others who asked the real questions and issues here:

Whose SSN did he use?
Who were the employers who hired him illegally? Why aren't they punished?
How many US citizens didn't get a job because he "took" it?
He must have committed fraud when filing employment papers?
He has committed multiple illegal acts.
If businesses in our country would just stop hiring these people...we wouldn't have as much of a problem, would we?!

AlexD
Salt Lake City, UT

I love how everyone chooses to focus on the immigrant as the source of the problem of cheap labor, instead of looking at the employer who hires that immigrant, so they don't have to pay a living wage.

If you want to work a job paying minimum wage or below, with no job security and no benefits, you can. Because the people who offer those jobs really don't care a whit about your skin color or ethnic background. There are PLENTY of these jobs. If you want one of those jobs, you can have one. But Americans WON'T take those jobs. (And the argument about whether anybody should be running a business expecting to pay people less than a living wage, is a whole 'nother discussion.)

Again, read the story. Oscar PAID HIS OWN WAY through college. He owned and ran HIS OWN BUSINESSES.

AlexD
Salt Lake City, UT

Nosea - I suspect your inability to get hired has less to do with the ethnicity of the hiring manager, and more to do with the very visible chip on your shoulder. And, if you're not getting any offers, why don't you do what Oscar did, and start your own business?

Quick story: Every morning at around 7 a.m. on my way to work, I pass a local Home Depot. And every morning, including Saturdays and Sundays, there is a crowd of men waiting on the sidewalk outside, hoping to pick a day of work doing whatever.

Do you want to know how often I have seen a Caucasian face in this crowd? Never.

On the other hand, on just about every ramp on or off I-15, including 500 yards from this spot, there's someone with a cardboard sign begging for a handout. These people are almost never NOT Caucasian.

Go ahead... connect the dots.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

"AlexD" You bring up several points that I hope I can respond adequately to.

How would you like to be a contractor trying to compete with the another contractor who just showed up at home depot and hired his crew for $6.00 per hr while you were trying to pay your guys the exorbitant wage of $12.00 per hr.? Doesn't this give contractor A an unfair advantage over contractor B? Especially when contractor b is trying to obey the law? Hiring illegal aliens IS against the law BTW, even its never enforced.

How come its o.k. that all the workers in the parking lot are hispanic? If I invite 11 million workers from Thailand for instance, should our nation be required to provide them free social services so they can "do the jobs we won't do"?
How is it fair for some ethnic illegal aliens to be here, but others aren't?

MANY folks have written on this comments section about how they lost their job,and or identity to illegal aliens.
Isn't it time we just enforced the laws we already have so that ALL can have equal opportunities at citizenship?

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

AlexD

I am a legal immigrant from a Latin American country. I waited, paid my money, took my tests, and came here legally. Are you saying I should have taken the easy way that you advocate and come here illegally?

I love it when native-born Americans like AlexD are pro-illegal immigration because they know absolutely nothing about it. But the bottom line is illegal immigration is a slap in the face to every one of us who came here legally.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

So......."Oscar" is trespassing, and helping himself to all the services legal taxpayers are entitled to and become successful at it?

Are we supposed to be impressed?

Rationalizing illegal behavior DOESN'T make that behavior legal. Regardless of how much we value hard work.

The bigger issue though is that our elected officials are putting law-breakers (as alluded to here by other posters) AHEAD of legal U.S. citizens' interests!

Student
Logan, UT

Great to see a story of a hard working, highly educated person like Oscar working extremely hard to make it. Why does it have to be so hard for willing, skilled, and talented immigrants to positively contribute to organizations and the U.S. economy? It just doesn't make sense -- especially when they are trained by our very own universities. Great work, Oscar. Keep plugging away!

Entrepreneur
Logan, UT

Oscar is an amazing person with an incredible story. Way to go Oscar! I admire your courage in the face of adversity. You're highly educated and you are business savvy enough to create jobs as well. I can't think of anyone more qualified to call themselves an American. It is people like you who will help drive the American machine to its industrious glory once again. You have my support and blessing. Keep up the great work.

AlexD
Salt Lake City, UT

Fitness Freak - That is a valid question and one you should address to the contractors, not to me, or any of the people willing to work for those wages.

Who said it was "ok that all the workers in the parking lot are hispanic"? Not me. I made an observation. I didn't pass a value judgement.

Who said it was "ok for some ethnic illegal aliens to be here, but others aren't?"? Not me.

Nobody loses their job to an illegal immigrant. They lose their job for a variety of reasons, but if an employer fires a legal resident *in order to hire* an illegal resident to replace that worker more cheaply, who is at fault here? The employer who wants cheap labor at any price, or the worker who is ready and willing to work?

How is it fair to blame the person who is willing to work, even at the risk of exploitation, and not blame the exploiter?

"Oscar" didn't "help himself" to anything. He created his opportunities and contributed to his adopted country.

techpubs
Sioux City, IA

So his parents smuggled him in at the age of 15 and now he has 2 degrees.
It doesn't matter that he left his family in another state to attend college because many students do the same.
The key questions should be:
1. Does Venezuala have no need for people with his degrees?
2. Why has he never returned to Venezuala and applied for legal entry?
3. Has he used false documentation to attend school or hold a job?

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

"Alex" I think we agree on something.

Yes, employers SHOULD be the ones where immigration enforcement starts. Most of us who have been asking/begging the federal government for years to do their job have put employers first and foremost as the culprit.

Border security (fences)really are just a secondary enforcement measure.

Some of us get nervous when political parties talk of a "new" law; when in actuality there's nothing wrong with the "old" law, except it doesn't get enforced!

WestGranger
West Valley City, Utah

The U.S.A. is has been a better country throughout our history because of people like Oscar. Venezuela has a tremendous amount of highly intelligent and educated people who have been stifled by the regime of Hugo Chavez. Why are there so many cumbersome barriers of bureaucratic red tape that keep these wonderful people from coming here legally? We have failed to control our borders and to implement a reasonable immigration plan. What happened to our successful Guest worker program? Why do we point the finger of blame at immigrants instead of at our own government?

SLars
Provo, UT

There are no jobs Americans won't do at a fair price. People who come here illegally undercut our wages, giving the impression that we won't work those jobs. In the last 30 years the illegal alien has moved off the farms, taking skilled middle class jobs. They are replacing American citizens with their cheap labor.

Utah could pass a E-verify law with penalties, including pulling the companies business license. The US Supreme court has already made this possible. Why don't we have it? Because the powerful business lobby, including the Salt Lake chamber is OK with people taking your jobs. They have no compassion for the American worker. Their God is greed.

Instead of compassion, they come up with a "Utah Compact" that undermines the rule of law through subtly deceitful propaganda, in an attempt to provide more cheap labor for Utah's greedy businessmen.

Oscar's work ethic is commendable, but he broke multiple laws. Do we really need another smart multiple felon that doesn't follow our laws?

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