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Published: Monday, March 25 2013 5:50 p.m. MDT

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Supporting LDS Church
Salt Lake City, UT

Pahoran had power authorized by the people. He judged righteously to protect the people's freedom to control their government. The King-men stirred people up against the righteous so much that they actually thought they were entitled to govern others.

Choosing unbelief and sin only ever produces a satisfaction that can not last. We've been given direction on what choices will bring forth happiness and good fruit. Not only have we been given this that we might believe it, but we have the testimony of all those who choose to live it as evidence that the plan of happiness is real. God's plan and commandments are designed to bring us to the happiness that He knows. The design is to share such splendid joy.

This issue is a sad one. Not only do those struggling not feel the love and help being offered to them, but those who are really bitter are pushing an agenda that will not coexist with freedom. In the end, happiness is only found through living righteously. The choice to live righteously or not is already protected in this free country. This issue isn't about protecting rights, but overpowering democracy.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@procuradorfiscal
"This groundless, vexatious lawsuit will be quickly thrown out under current law.

The US Attorney should strongly consider applying for monetary sanctions in this case, certainly against any lawyers involved, and against plaintiffs, as well, depending on their level of legal training and sophistication. This would compensate the legal system for this clear and deliberate waste of time and resources, particularly in this federal circuit.
"

Prop 8 has made it to the surpreme court based on this argument... it's really not groundless.

Phillip M Hotchkiss
Malta, Mt

Contentious oppressed minority ?I do not see that . Why because the voice of the majority is being silenced by the media threats and law suits. We are only allowed to speak if we agree with the few. I will not be silenced I say we all have a right to stand. Stand for something or sit through every think. We can not be afraid anymore. We are losing what this country was founded on. God land should heed God's law. We should not be silenced any longer

snowman
Provo, UT

All adults have the right to marry but they have to follow the law.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Since when are civil rights dishonest? Maybe in the mind of the bigoted.
I hope they win. Utah & conservatives are once again on the wrong side of history.

Red Corvette
SACRAMENTO, CA

Children raised by gay or lesbian couples benefit when their parents are allowed to marry, America’s top pediatrics group said Thursday in support of same-sex marriage.

“If a child has two living and capable parents who choose to create a permanent bond by way of civil marriage, it is in the best interest of their child(ren) that legal and social institutions allow and support them to do so, irrespective of their sexual orientation,” the American Academy of Pediatrics said in a policy statement.

Dr. Ellen Perrin, co-author of the policy statement, says marriage gives children of same-sex couples the same advantages of any married couple’s children.

“Marriage provides permanence and security for children, and those are extremely important for children’s well-being,” said Perrin, a professor at Tufts University School of Medicine who specializes in the developmental behavior of children. “(Marriage) allows them to grow up in an environment in which they’re confident of the solidity of their family and the fact that their family is just like every other family of kids they know in school.”

Mom of Six
Northern Utah, UT

The problem with allowing gay marriage isn't so much about rights, but is a slippery slope. I for one am all about allowing civil unions. There is a big difference between the two, but isn't there a big difference between being heterosexual vs. homosexual as well? If we were to allow gay marriage, what happens when those who are religious and have a certain belief system are not willing to perform a gay ceremony? Will they be prosecuted for discrimination? Will churches who do not believe in these types of ceremonies be stripped of their rights? If you believe it won't happen you are indeed fooling yourself.

A1994
Centerville, UT

"...marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.

...we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.

We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society."

Whether or not this is politically sensitive or correct, the end result is going to be the same. This country is now in a new fixation with the gay marriage issue while behind the scenes, the nation is falling apart fiscally as well as morally. This is the new bandwagon to jump on, it's true. But it will have ugly, unforeseen consequences.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Come on people! Sue Utah? Where do you think Utah would get the money from? The tax payers.

Why make people pay for your wants?

amazondoc
USA, TN

@worf --

"Come on people! Sue Utah? Where do you think Utah would get the money from? The tax payers.

Why make people pay for your wants?"

Sueing the state (whatever state you live in) is a time-honored tradition, especially in civil rights cases, under the 14th Amendment. This is one way for people to have their voices heard, when they feel the state is acting unfairly or against the US Constitution. And remember, these people are taxpayers, too.

A few recent cases from the last couple of years include:

1. CA -- treatment of non-English speakers
2. FL -- voter purging process
3. AL -- anti-illegal immigrant law
4. VT -- nuclear power regulation

There's many many more examples out there.

There's nothing "dishonest" about people sueing the state. They are simply fighting for what they perceive to be their rights, as every US citizen has the right to do.

DanO
Mission Viejo, CA

Worf, they're suing for marriage rights, not for money.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@worf
You want to complain about legal costs? Then stop supporting laws that violate the constitution.

EDM
Castle Valley, Utah

"I want to marry my cousin!"
"I want multiple husbands!"
"I want to marry my dog...AND my cat!"

Can you people give us a break? The question is about two consenting adults who want their union recognized. Nothing more than that.

Pianoman
Salt Lake City, UT

I have stated it once, I will state it again: marriage is not a right, it's a privilege. And all Men and Women are created equal--but that doesn't mean their desires should be equal too.

Pianoman
Salt Lake City, UT

Wouldn't the easier solution for this couple be: move to a state that has already legalized gay marriage and save your time and the time it will take for the case to be processed and rejected?

Phillip M Hotchkiss
Malta, Mt

We. need to heed the words in mosiah 29:verse 25-26 .the voice e of the many should be

the law o the land

windsor
City, Ut

A1994--"But it will have ugly, unforeseen consequences."

Ugly true--

--but only unforeseen by the increasing numbers being duped, and who are being convinced to blithely stick their heads in the sand.......

Many can see the sad and ugly consequences loud, clear and easily.

Gemini
Australia, 00

Correct me if I'm wrong because I don't live in Utah but I do know that the state is predominantly LDS and that they have a high concentration of Christians with such laws. Now you would think people would stop moving to Utah and trying to change it's laws about marriage, alcohol, etc., knowing full well before they get there that these laws are in place. If you want these types of "freedoms" and I use the terms loosely, then why not move to a more liberal state which favors your beliefs?? You can't go into a Muslim country and try and change their laws! I agree, all people should have certain liberties and rights across the board whether homosexual or heterosexual, but you move to Utah because you enjoy the lifestyle, the people, the laws - move if you don't like it. Simple! Marriage is ordained of God between a man and a woman. It is written in the constitution by good faithful men. If you want to be together as a homosexual couple, good luck to you, but marriage is for a man and woman. You can call your union something else.

KTC John
Wetumpka, AL

There is an intrinsically procreative purpose for marriage, and the legal definition of marriage should be framed from a child-centered perspective. Marriage exists to channel potentially procreative sexual relationships into enduring, stable, parental unions for the sake of responsibly producing and rearing the next generation. A genderless concept of marriage focused exclusively on the attachment of the two parties is essentially unconcerned with procreation. Our common sense tells us that God speaks to us through the natural design of our bodies which He created. He created both the male body and the female body. Those who choose to act out their gay or lesbian inclinations do so in obvious contradiction to the anatomical design of their physical bodies. It is biologically impossible for any two same-gender persons to carry out the great commandment to multiply and replenish the earth. It is biologically impossible for any two same gender persons to create families, the fundamental divine mandate for the rearing of children on earth.

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ james d. morrison: Good news for your daughter - when she is an adult, if she still wants to marry her cousin, she can - provided they cannot have children.

But I am curious - what does a 5 year old wanting to marry her cousin have to do with gay marriage? Have you been discussing the issue with her?

And, sorry to disappoint - there is nothing unique or special about a 5 year old wanting to marry a relative - most children to through that stage. She will probably at some point decide she wants to marry you. This changing in affection and the general inability of children to understand the finer aspects of reality are why children are not allowed to enter marriage specifically or other contracts generally. When she is 14 and wants to get married to the boy down the street, you can give permission for that marriage. If she still wants to marry her cousin when she is 14, well, we know there are social harms associated with closely related individuals reproducing together, so unless one or the other is infertile, they will have to wait until they are past their child bearing years.

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