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Published: Saturday, March 23 2013 8:25 p.m. MDT

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Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

One of the principles of those wanting to gut the neighborhood election caucus meeting and convention system we have in Utah, is this: " A system that provides inherent advantages to those who are incumbent, wealthy or famous is not acceptable."

The problem is their proposals would do exactly that.

The Caucus System in Utah is the best way to make sure grass roots movements can work over large amounts of money. It is the only way someone with $100,000 can go against someone with $2,000,000 in election funds.

There were about 120,000 republicans in Utah that went to the neighborhood caucus elections in 2012 to elect the 4000 State Delegates. Add to those numbers the democrats and the primary elections. Certainly the municipal elections didn't do any better in voter representation.

Bypassing the Caucus / Convention System will NOT create more participation. There are 4000 state delegates that spend countless hours vetting candidates to be on the ballot. They are selected by those that attend the neighborhood election caucus meeting. You just have to attend.

The current system does not protect the incumbent, wealthy or famous. I think that is a good thing.

provo.res
Provo, UT

Adrielle Herring Bowler is right. We Republicans have brought this upon ourselves. Now we have to make changes or have them forced upon us. It would have been better to have addressed this earlier without a gun to our heads.

sherlock holmes
Eastern, UT

The archaic system of caucuses needs to go. It does not help someone who has no money to win the thing. He or she needs to be able to take 3 months off of a job and visit each county and try to build a campaign in each county. This is not cheap. A wealthy person can afford to do it easier than a poor person. And more get involved in the voting.

Time to move to a closed republican primary. Have a process for a candidate to get his name on the ballot, then EVERYONE gets to vote. If necessary, the top two vote getters could havea runoff. Again, EVERYONE gets to vote. It is the real democratic process.

My2Cents
Taylorsville, UT

Isn't it every ones right to run for an elected position as long as they are an American with US citizenship. Career politicians are private and independent empires and its not their right to deny others to represent whatever ideals a candidate has. Individuals have the right to seek independent funding from corporations as well.

These caucuses should be outlawed and banned as unconstitutional interference of ones rights as Americans. It seems funding and money is the key to empirical government, is this what people want? NO! A party should be a set of values and issues that serve the people in honest and ethical service to the community as employees of the people.

We cannot allow a political party to win control of our constitution, freedoms, and rights. It is by our (people's) rights and will and allegiance that this country remains free and independent of government control and expansion.

The caucus is the least of the problems for the Republican party, they have left out the people and their rights of representation of a Constitutional Republic government, their prosperity, jobs with higher incomes and wages, they can't win.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

How will the tea party continue there Utah control?

Moabmom
Moab, UT

There are many in the GOP who seem to have forgotten that GOP does not stand for "Grand Ol' Progressives". We need to keep our caucus system in place, because it is the system that is closest to "we the people'. When you take away my voice and my neighbors voice in the election process, you are moving away from a true Republic and moving toward "democracy" where only those who have the most influence within the party and with the most money are able to run. Make no mistake, if you get rid of the caucus, the next step is an open primary where the fate of Utah will be decided by those with the most money to influence the low information voter. In a few years, Utah will be in the same boat as Colorado, over run with progressive Republicans and far left Democrats. Keep the caucus system and let the people have a voice.

Drew Chamberlain
Layton, UT

The first "no brainer" change we need to make is to eliminate the illegal delegates.

fbastiat
la verkin, ut

"Caucus and convention questions prompt talk of change by Republicans" is incorrect, the Utah Republican party is being threatened by outside funding from New York and DC to change the vetting process of candidates to make it so that only those with millions of dollars in funding will have a chance.

This threat is from outside the state and from outside the party.

I used to live in California and there with only a direct primary system only those with a fortune can have a chance of winning. The caucus system allows for those with no money but who have a foundation of liberty, honor, time and work to have a chance.

This is proved out by those average citizens who hold seats in our state legislature and federal offices.

Do not let those from Washington create a rigged 'California' system in our state.

They can threaten us but we do not have to back down in fear.

fbastiat
la verkin, ut

"Count My Vote" is Funded from big DC and NY money.

Thomas Wright is pushing this 'Count My Vote' agenda, using fear in the SCC to game the caucus system out of local control, to remove the local county and neighborhood controls.

Count my vote wants a direct primary only.
Count my vote in a primary consisting of the lesser of two evils
Count my vote wants to control who the choices are in their "California" style controlled primary
Count my vote so long as it is for one of the big money funded candidates selected and managed by out of state interests

Or

Earn my vote in our local neighborhood Caucus pre-primary so we can have real candidate that we the people select.

Do we want only those with 10 million dollar campaigns or those who have moral and constitutional principle?

If we want our votes to count for anything we must preserve, participate and strengthen our historic caucus system.

Please contact you SCC reps before our elections get sold to the highest out of state bidder.

VST
Bountiful, UT

@one vote said, "How will the tea party continue [their] Utah control?"

If you believe the tea party controls the Utah Republican Party, then how did Orrin Hatch win re-election last November with 65% of the vote?

bill in af
American Fork, UT

As a regular delegate at both the state and county levels, I agree that we need to do away with the caucus and convention system in favor of a closed primary. It is not true that the caucus system is closest to the people. All it has been in recent years is what special interest group can control the convention for their type of candidate to get on the ballot. As in the case of the defeat of Senator Bennett, the regular citizen was left out of the decision as to whether he should have continued or not. The far right of the party controlled the decision for us all and we have been paying for it since. Had regular mainstream voters been allowed to decide in a primary, Senator Bennett would still be there today and doing a better job than Senator Lee is currently doing in representing the will of the people of Utah. The last convention had a much more moderate tone thanks to the encouragement for regular citizen participation which kept the dangerous extremes in check. Let us all be more actively involved in who represents us in government.

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