Take away the hits for KSL Classifieds, and what do you have?
dalefarr hit the nail on the head. The numbers contained in this story are so
wildly off the mark it's ludicrous. I personally do get most of my news
from ksl, but I will also tell you there is absolutely no way the desnews is
outperforming the tribune in any measure. The desnews website makes it
impossible to find content, and when you do the stories tend to completely miss
the mark. Sigh. I guess this is what happens when you buy the ink - you control
the message and the statistics.
I actually read both the DesNews and SLTrib on a daily basis. Went I want
"soft" news and most of the headlines, I will go to the DesNews. But
when I want "all" of the news, I go to the SLTrib. I find it
interesting the stories the DesNews leaves out of their paper. To get a true
feeling of what is going on in Utah, I feel I need to read both.
To "jace1012" they have live streaming of their news broadcasts, they
are hard to dig up on their site, but they are available live.To
"On the other hand" you realize that KSL TV, Radio, and the Deseret News
are all owned by the LDS church, and that would explain why they write pro-LDS
While I agree with the article, it still has the feel that they are making
excuses for the KSL 10:00 news which lost it's dominant hold at that spot
to KUTV Channel 2 at 10:00. Channel 2 has been the top 10:00 newscast for over
a year after KSL held that spot forever. As a 44-year old white, married, Mormon
(for demographic purposes only), I read the DesNews a few times a day, watch Fox
13 at 9:00 since it comes on earlier, and watch KJZZ and CW30 starting at 10:00
for The Office, Simpsons, Rules of Engagement. Since I am a man, I can't
watch just one show at once.
Is this story some sort of excuse for KSL's decline in the ratinging and
the Deseret News morphing from a traditional newspaper into a sort of news
I have confidence that KSL is credible but NBC is a major manipulator of the
news to fit NBCs agenda.I wonder how much of NBCs lies spill over into KSLs
reporting.I do not watch any of the the old three major networks as I do not
trust that what they report is not biased. CBS and ABC are no better.
Have you ever watched the local news reports? They are terrible. The anchors
try to be so dramatic on every story. I try to watch, but I can't. The
banter between the two anchors on all four channels is just painful to watch.
It's as if thy do not know how to act or speak if it's not spelled out
for them on the teleprompter. The anchors really don't seem to know
anything about anything. And the female anchors trying to banter with the
sportscasters; just plain ridiculous. The female anchors prove all the
stereotypes. It is also painful to watch the weather people try to convince us
that they actually control the weather. If I need info on a breaking local
story, I simple go to the Internet. And I really don't care what is
Gephart approved, or how you got money back for someone. I could go on and on
and on...but I won't. This story supports my observation.
You know what the issue with TV news is? There's too much of it. Most
channels have three hours in the morning Then another hourlong broadcast three
hours later (two if you're FOX13). Then later afternoon until like 7, then
three hours later you have the 10 o clock go round. I'm sorry but there is
not THAT much happening in Utah that needs so many hours of indepth coverage.
Then to add insult to injury, they still halt everything anyway if there's
something going on big enough to warrant that coverage.
When I watch national nightly news, two or three times a week, it is usually
time-shifted on a Vudu streaming device that offers "NBC Nightly News"
as one of its channels. I can watch it any time and it doesn't have
commercials. I am skeptical about the Deseret News and its
affiliate broadcasters being as far ahead of competitors as the article claims.
The Salt Lake Tribune is a pretty good newspaper. More important, it offers
much broader based content. And, I believe its articles are written better.
(For example, the DN"s piece about people choosing to have children before
marrying was barely readable.) Sure looks like they are massaging facts to toot
their own horn. This paper is more advocacy for LDS than actual news. The newspapers I get paid subscriptions for on my iPad are those that
are broad in scope. They include the Miami Herald and the NYT. Not Mormon and
not from Utah, I see the DN mainly as a curiosity. For a time I read
S.C.'s largest newspaper for the same reason.
I agree with the comments lamenting that newspapers and TV do not do
investigative reporting anymore. I think the management is afraid to expose
shady performance because they are afraid of upsetting the apple cart
politically. UTA, West Valley City PD and State Prison relocation are three
topics that the news media seem to ignore or go along to get along and make me
not trust them as much as I would like.And I agree that the cutsey
banter on KSL is forced, fake and a waste of time. The two new guys are middle
weight at best, and I would have chosen Brian M. and Deannie W. for the anchors.
Best anchor in my not so humble opinion - Bob Evans.
I meant to say that Channel 2 currently has nearly as many viewers as Channels 4
and 5 combined for their 10 o'clock news. Channel 5 used to dominate that
time slot. Not anymore.
There are many people with Utah roots who live in others places around the
world. Like myself, I like to keep up with what is happening on the home-front.
Many LDS people living around the world will turn to KSL for their Utah news
source.Although KSL will boast about their online numbers, it does not
mean users are satisfied with their mode of content delivery.Questions:1) Why doesn't KSL have live streaming newcasts available online like
many other media outlets?2) Why has KSL not made their local news
broadcasts available on streaming platforms such as Roku?KSL has nothing
to brag about until they step up to the plate and have their local newscasts
streamed on accessable online platforms. In the past, Bonneville has embraced
emerging technologies. But it doesn't appear to be the case for KSL these
days.What happened to the solid investigative reporting in the past
on KSL? I remember outstanding former KSL investigative journalists such as
Conn Psaras. None of that today on KSL.
What turns me off to the TV News is that they used to have about 15 commercials
in an entire newscast. How many do you think they have now? And they throw out
a tickler and make you wade through at least a half dozen commercials, maybe
more. Whenever they say "Don't change channels" I do just that.Then their live news feeds from a Breaking News story have reporters
that can't tell you thing one without looking constantly at their notebook.
Whatever happened to training people to think on their feet, stay on message
and not just say the same thing 5 times over and call it news? I
find it amusing to read the paper and see editorials begging the Governor to
veto a bill that he actually vetoed two days before. The same is true of
printed news stories, too. I subscribe to the newspaper for coupons, comics,
sudoko puzzles and the frequent bizarre sports story. That's all they got
for me. I watch TV news to get (finally) to the weather report,
which isn't particulary accurate.
What this story fails to report is that Channel 2 currently has nearly as many
viewers as Channels 4 and 5 for the 10 o'clock news. We used to watch
Channel 5 exclusively. But something happened to their news content four or five
years ago (maybe more). Maybe it's due to their tie to NBC. Whatever the
reason, I have found it necessary to get my news elsewhere. I go to the
DesNews' website for local information, but have also found the content
mostly to be web triviality, and not news.
I am not a fan of the changes KSL has made with the look of their studio, and
how they change from sitting behind that strange desk, to sitting on a couch, to
standing. Just stay put behind a regular desk. Also, too many "anchors"
giving their points of view. Miss Bruce Lindsay and his professionalism. Seems
there is a strange emphasis on the "anchors" trying to be average people
or something, with too much giddiness. However, I do like their weather
forecasters, and the morning male anchor (sorry, I'm not the best with
Journalism appears to be a thing of the past. Investigations that expose
corruption in society and governments by independent, hard-nosed journalists has
devolved into Dick Gephardt TV ads. Corporate ownership of news outlets makes it
impossible to ask the hard questions necessary to expose corruption for the
simple, understandable reason that "those guys could sue us!"And that appears to be the way Americans want it: They'll read or watch
whatever reinforces the warmth and safety of their confirmation biases.
I live in CA and I am always checking KSL and Deseret News for the latest Utah
news. I grew up there and want to keep up with what is happening since I visit
once in a while and hope to return some day. I enjoy having this resource
available to me. I just wish it was available to watch on line.
The rare times I watch TV news, I find myself annoyed with the flashing
graphics, the quick shots, the non-news news, and the endless teasers ("Who
is the government investigating? We'll tell you in a bit. For now,
let's . . .").I don't have time for such nonsense. I
get the impression the news is engineered for short-attentioned demographics,
but guess what--they're not watching, either! Try something
different. Give us the news, straight, quickly, and with no fluff. I still
remember watching Walter Cronkite as a kid. No tricks--just information.That's why I get all my news online. If something is fluffy, I skip
it till I find something real. In less than 5 minutes I get more than the local
news delivers in 30 minutes.TV news will die unless it becomes
something that looks newsworthy.
With these changes in news viewing, can the consumer possibly hope for a more
honest reporting of same? I am tired of the cover-up, the cowardly hiding of
anything adverse to the barry administration, and the lack of that transparency
we heard so much about. Good luck getting there.
I've often joked that by the time the evening news is on, it's not
"news" at all - as the info has already been out on the web. It's
the same even with weather reports. Why wait until the evening news is on to
find out what the weather will be?
If there was more of a difference regarding the subjects in the daily reporting
of what is called news, I might look at it for more then 5 minutes.When an
actual news item appears, there is not enough difference in the 4 channels to
even imagine that they have different staffs.The practice of giving a 5
second blip regarding an actual story wherein they promise that it will be next,
is usually followed by 2 long commercial breaks as you agonize through the mind
rotting commercials. All 3 channels manage to present the same stories at the
same time so if you are bored by one channel the others make certain that you
have no interest in them.Fox appears to be inclined to make things a bit
better then the rest of the tribe but I never watch an entire news broadcast no
matter how much hype is used during the day to try to peddle their pablum.The Drudge report has enough links to allow you to sort what and where you
would like to find your news stories and you do not need to be buried in
I get the impression that the Deseret News and KSL websites are increasingly
used as platforms for the LDS Church to do search engine optimization, sometimes
at the expense of good journalism. In the past several months there's been
an uptick in mediocre content on the Deseret News website, including
"lists" of trivia whose one-page-per-item format is just plain annoying,
and articles whose primary sources are Internet videos or other websites. What
these features lack in journalistic rigor they often make up for with
well-placed, well-phrased URLs. Now, I certainly want the Church and its allies
to fare well in relevant search engine results, but if the price of good search
rankings is second-rate news content, the Deseret News's credibility is in
I rarely catch the news anymore. I get it all online. KSL rules the local news
websites. I can't even stand to look at the trib solely for the bashing
that goes on in their comment board. If they had NO comments they would probably
get more views.In fact I am finding less and less of a reason to
even have a tv.
Has been over 5 years since I saw more than 5 minutes of a local newscast.
Haven't missed it a bit.