Naval Vet (and others),Riley Nelson covers the circumstances around his
post-mission transfer in great detail in a BYUtv Cougar Conversations episode
back before last season. The interview lasts 50 minutes but the portions
relative to his transfer are between the 21:30 and 25:30 marks.I
also encourage you to look up the definition of "recruit" as a verb.
Saying BYU recruited Nelson during his mission is inaccurate.
Duckhunter;How is 3 scholarship QB and one walk-on (a starter for 2
seasons)not be an abundance? You should think before you post!
Why is it hypocritical Sammy? Are you saying I am uncivil? If so, I deny being
that way. It's not my objective to cause unrest. I guess you could say I am
"whining" but mainly I seek to make a plea for civility now that you
bring it up. As you know, I am a relatively active Ute poster here.
But are you sure you want to lump me in with the red fellows who are extreme?
You might be confusing me with others because I have strong opinions at times.
But I don't say things to upset anybody and I don't know why you and
Duckhunter write that I see it one sided. I have stated for years on these posts
that it cuts both ways and that some Ute comments are not nice ones. Sure I
focus on your end with Duckhunter because I would like to see him tone it down.
Seriously though, I have always admitted it's not one sided.
Ironically, I don't EVER recall you two calling out BYU fans although I
could be wrong. So why the beef with me when your kettle needs cleaning on the
"Leadership is a trait head coach Bronco Mendenhall values in all his
players"question: if they are all leaders, who is being led?
DuckhunterThere is nothing worse nor more hypocritical than certain
"fans" whining about civility on a BYU story. Geesh.Thank
you for being the straight-up no non-sense person you are. It is much
Ammon Olsen is picking up the offense much quicker than the other qb's, has
the best arm, and is a great leader and proven winner. Hill is more athletic
and runs the ball better and has the experience, but doesn't make as good
of reads or pick up the nuances like Olsen does. Hopefully the coaches
keep handing the ball to Olsen, he's been with the one's most of this
week and looks very good in practice.Hill would be a great change of pace
qb, but Olsen is a prototypical BYU throwing qb which is what the Cougars need
at this point.
Duckhunter:No cut-&-paste quote from me "demand"-ing
anything? Nothing?So in other words, what you're saying is
that you did indeed frantically and emotionally made that up. I thought so.
Typical Indy-WACer.Case closed.
@gdogAs usual you only have your "indignant meltdown" over
one side. Par for the course.Once you admit that it is not a one
sided arrangement then people might, just might, take your "frantic and
emotional" pleas seriously. did you read the very first post on
this thread? Did you see the completely unfounded accusation and attempt to
denigrate that was in that post? It appears not.
Frantic and emotional? Indignant meltdowns? Drama central is the never ending
theme. Except the one using these silly words is the one who loves meltdowns and
stirred emotions. In fact, he laughs out loud when these emotional things occur
(or he supposes/induces they occur). The irritation of others puts a smile on
his face. No, I am not making this up. The relative one puts these
labels in writing over and over. Maybe the DesNews should see the writing on the
wall and use their censorship criteria set forth and realize this stuff is
against their friendly comment protocol. Sometimes I can't help but wonder
how selective they are with who they censor. Is this a BYU paper or
a fair community place to read and post equally? Honestly, I wonder if this
comment will be censored. Don't mind that their is a little thought behind
it other than just mocking people. Although I wish the red and blue
extremists would stop the childish insults, I myself don't favor
censorship. But if it is present, say in a forum like this, I expect it to
contain equal rejection to all.
Please don't be mad to "Naval Vet". He tries so hard.
Duckhunter:"naval's 'frantic and emotional' post
calling someone else out and demanding they admit they are worong
[sic]..."Please cut-&-paste my exact words where I
"demand"-ed an Indy-WACer to admit they were wrong. And don't
forget the date and time stamp. Can you? No? Well then I guess YOU were wrong
too. You frantically and emotional made that up. That was so very Indy-WACey
@NavalYou're wrong about Nelson being recruited by BYU on his
mission. I do have inside information about that. His Logan HS coach (Andersen)
told me that he would not be returning to USU post-mission, that he would go to
BYU even if he had to walk on and/or change positions. He and his father
actively recruited BYU before, during and after his mission. He also obtained
permission and left at least 2 months before his 19th birthday to facilitate a
timely return, in time to get back in shape before Fall camp. Don't let emotions get the best of you and certainly don't put them
on display in your comments. Your attempt to smear BYU and Taysom Hill is what
I'm talking about here.Go BYU!!
naval's "frantic and emotional" post calling someone else out and
demanding they admit they are worong is without a doubt the funniest thing I
have ever read on these boards.LOL!
@flatlander1 QB is a sr and this will be it for him, 1 qb will leave
for a mission after spring practice, 1 is a freshman and will probably redshirt,
and one is a walkon and does not take a scholarship. That means BYU will have 3
scholarship qb's on the active roster next season and one wlakon, hardly an
overabundance. You really need to think things through a little bit better
before you post stuff.
RE:Naval VetPhiladelphia, PAYou say Riley Nelson was
'recruited' while on his mission. What inside information do you have
that no one else has? Where is your proof? Just because someone repeat a lie
don't make it true. If the NCAA has not punished BYU in anyway, if no news
paper every found proof to publish facts that BYU cheated then how is it someone
in Philadelphia, PA know so much about the recuitement of Riley Nelson. You say
we could just ask Riley Nelson. Well Riley has never said that he was never
contacted on a mission by BYU. Do you think that the local papers have never ask
him that question? If the question has been ask and there was nothing to report
what do you think he said?
Gilmer, remember? He's recovering from knee surgery? But at that, a much
accelerated recovery COULD indicate real focus on doing the hard work to recover
as quick as possible. A faucet of leadership, by the way.You are
out of line to indicate that Doman or Mendenhall did not care about success on
the field. Cheap shot, and ignorant.And the season was good last
year. Not great, not stellar, but better than some of the neighbors. With a
better/healthier qb, it COULD have been top 10, SHOULD have been top 25, but it
WAS a winning season and a bowl game. Again. Don't let your bitter
disappointment with what COULD have been destroy what was.And,
Wayne? Move on. Time to move on, bro.
Re: idabluBeyond that, Hill seems to be a lot more QB intelligent
than Nelson, along with being much more poised and having a much better presence
in the pocket. I think that is likely the biggest difference of all. That
doesn't mean he is immune to mistakes (because of the knee incident), but
it does mean I think he seems a lot sharper in his ability to make smart on the
field decisions, and BYU has lacked that at QB probably since John Beck.
Riley Nelson's "leadership" didn't get the Cougars very far
last year. I hope success on the football field means more to Anae than it
meant last year to Doman and Mendenhall. I'm quite troubled that Hill is
tops for leadership but not necessarily how he is playing.
Children,children, give the Naval guy a break. Everyone is entitled to their own
opinion. Afterall, it's just sports, not life and death or salvation.
Relax... And enjoy 3 years of Riley Nelson's sequel. haha kidding. Hill is
a great QB, very impressed with him last spring and the 2 games last season of
which he went 2-0. Once injured, the risk goes up to get re-injured, so BYU fans
need to look closely at the backup race, because he will be the starter at some
@ Naval,I've never heard Riley explain how he was
"recruited". No visits. No calls. No contact. No one has EVER explained
or proven that any "recruiting" took place. Just third party hearsay.
Nice try though making stuff up...I don't post on Ute articles.
Period. You don't need to crank it up on our side. Just cheer for yours.
Now, I may have missed all the places you posted, but you are still
in the "wrong" for spending so much time and energy putting down fans of
another school. It just sounds like sour grapes in the end.
Barring injury, Hill will get the starting nod. But it's nice knowing
Olsen is progressing so well to back him up. Their styles are similar enough
that we won't have to change the offense if we change QBs. Even though
they can both run, I hope Anae doesn't call 15 - 20 running plays per game
for them.Does Stewart have a red-shirt available? If so, we should
use it unless he moves up to the #2.Billy Green will likely
red-shirt and run the scout team. It will be another interesting
battle to see whether Green or Mangum win the QB job after Hill / Olsen.
Having several quality QBs is a great problem to have. Just be glad that poor
recruiting hasn't forced Bronco to put all his eggs from the most important
position on the field into a single, fragile, habitually injured basket like,
say a Jordan Wynn. And be glad the only backup option available should the
starting QB go down isn't a D2 transfer like, say a Jon Hays.
Can we let Riley Nelson RIP? Almost all us were begging for Bronco to put him
in when Heaps was struggling. He was not a premiere QB, but he played decent
when he was healthy. The problem was the Bronco or Doman continued to play him
when he was in pain. He should have never been in the game against Utah, Boise
State or San Jose St. I truly enjoyed watching him rally the team against Utah
State and Tulsa in 2011. He played pretty well against Washington St this year,
but was never the same after the hit against Weber St. The coaches should have
sat him until he was well and should have never let him run 15 - 20 X per game.
You watch, he will be extremely successful in real life.
Could be a really dominating year
If you ask Riley you will find out he wasn't recruited by BYU, I like
Olsen. I don't see them in practice but I did see Olsen in the state
championship game when he was in high school and he is a winner. My brother saw
Hill up in Idaho and says the same thing. I guess both are good.Gary
flatlanderOmaha, NE:"Six quarterbacks and hurting for
defensive backs, maybe if one of them wants to play they will ask to move to
defense. Once Bronco picks Hill no one else will play for the next three
years."---Taysom himself showed how quickly a qb can be done in by
injury...qb's need to be 3 or 4 deep...other 2? maybe a defensive back or
two there....its the Offensive Line that is key to the offense, if they
play well, any of the top three qb's can lead Y to great season.
I was super impressed with Hill last year. Given a little more playing time,
they would have easily beat BSU last year. He is an athlete. His arm seems
fine. Give him a chance to throw the ball and get some reps, and the naysayers
will like him.
I can tell you this about Hill. He has better size, better speed, and a better
arm than Nelson ever had. And if he does indeed have at least the same
leadership qualities as Nelson, then he is clearly and upgrade from Nelson. So
to all you naysayers, just because Bronco likes the guy and appreciates his
leadership qualities, it doesn't make him a lousy QB. Let's reserve
judgment at least until the end of fall camp or the opening couple of games.One thing Hill has going for him. If he performs well at BYU, he already
has an "in" with a very successful head coach in the NFL....I agree that BYU has way too many QB's. Wasted scholarships that could go
to the more sparse positions.
He's the leader "not necessarily by performance". Uh
oh,haven't we seen this before?
Duckhunter"That post was for utah "fans" like yourself
and naval who get all worked up and accuse BYU of recruiting kids on their
missions, and it worked because you got all worked up about it."_________You really need to get out more.
So let me understand this, Harbaugh comes to visit a guy he recruited and they
still have a great relationship. Does that sound like cheating has gone on?Somebody is reading to many romance novels.
kaysvillecougar:"...he's usually the first to read a BYU
article and comment on them."If that's true, then you
wouldn't have a hard time providing the name of another cougar article
wherein I was first to comment. Can you do that? No? How frantic and
emotional of you.eastcoastcoug:"I just want someone
to explain to me how a kid is 'recruited' while on his
mission."If you REALLY wanted to know, just go ask Riley
Nelson."How come I never see you on the articles about
Utah?"I don't know. Because you didn't read the
comments on any of the following articles???(1) The University of
Utah football pro day super-cut (Mar. 21 and 22)(2) Brad Rock: Kruger and
Company open for business on Ute Pro Day (Mar. 22)(3) Utes Football: Utah
opens the Erickson era at first day of spring training (Mar. 21 and 22)(4)
Utes set to kick off spring football (Mar. 20)(5) Utes upset Florida with
perfect performance (Mar. 17)How come I never see you admit when
@flinchyI know what missions are all about and I know BYU does not
recruit kids on their missions. That post was for utah "fans" like
yourself and naval who get all worked up and accuse BYU of recruiting kids on
their missions, and it worked because you got all worked up about it.LOL!
Yes, Naval Vet, you are correct. You have uncovered one of the biggest
recruiting scandals in recent memory--one in which Harbaugh has not yet said one
word. Who's keeping him quiet? What does Mendenhall have on Harbaugh?
Quite frankly, I am at a loss as to why you have not contacted the national
media to dig into the story. I'm sure you'll get to it and give us
more detail after you're done completing your research on how the federal
government brought down the WTC, etc. Oh--and to save you from another project?
We learned who shot JR a long time ago.
Six quarterbacks and hurting for defensive backs, maybe if one of them wants to
play they will ask to move to defense. Once Bronco picks Hill no one else will
play for the next three years.
@Naval VetLeft BYU but can't leave it alone?
@ Naval Vet,How come I never see you on the articles about Utah? I
don't post on Ute stories. Unless I want to congratulate them. We're
talking about a bunch of young kids after all, who are awesome (for the most
part) goal-oriented over-achievers. I invite you and your buddies to
go click the tab for "Utes" and cheer for your team...the clicks are
rather low over there.
@ Naval Vet,I just want someone to explain to me how a kid is
"recruited" while on his mission. Tell me how that works when the only
people missionaries talk to are their parents on Mother's Day and
Christmas. Did BYU coaches fly all the way to Australia to talk to Hill? I think
one of these so-called "recruits" (or his companions) would have
squealed by now about a mission visit or a series of phone calls.Fact is, it just doesn't happen. More likely, there are other reasons
that come up (google "Taysom Hill mission" and read the SL Trib article
where Hill explains his reason. Quite logical. Kids going on missions have their
lives interrupted and more time to think or rethink their direction. If anyone
is guilty of "recruiting" perhaps the peer group of missionaries among
who are many BYU students make some feel they want to go to BYU. This may change
as kids go out at 18 straight from home.Like most conspiracy
theories, some people just want to believe that things are carefully
orchestrated and engineered by dark, shadowy agents. Otherwise, how else could
things turn out the way they are?
@ DuckhunterMissionaries make a big commitment and a lot of
sacrifices to do what they do. It's important to them and it's
important to the LDS church that they take their service seriously. It is
disrespectful, hypocritical, and probably unethical, to approach kids with the
kind of distraction that football provides.
Hey cougar blue, Naval V has read all these sites. In fact he's usually the
first to read a BYU article and comment on them. So yea, he understands and
knows the narrative. He just has a deep hatred for his BYU. Really strange how
obsessed some people can be.
I don't care if BYU did recruit him on his mission, if that is an advantage
they have then put it to use. Guys like the lint are just envious of it and that
makes me smile.
Cougars need more than just a "leader." been there done that with Riley.
We need a leader who can actually hit a target more than 10 yards down field.
That whole quote about Riley is sure to open a can of worms. I think that his
leadership was usually pretty good, it was more that he just wasn't skill
wise a superstar QB. And I think he knew that. As good of a guy as Lark was, I
do not think that he was the answer either though. Look at the bowl game for
that. A mediocre showing when it all comes down to it. True, it was only his
second start, but the TCU game was only #2 for Riley as well. Anyway. I think we
need to move on about the whole Riley thing last season. Hill is the QB now.
Support him and move on.
Exciting news about all of these QBs. Before we know it it will be August.And by the way folks, our little friend is still mad for not making the
BYU golf team, couldn't grow a beard, had to go to Hawaii, had to sit at
home and watch BYU during the recent holidays, still hooked on BYU basketball in
the NIT and can't find his Utes anywhere on the program guide. `Maybe now you will just ignore him. LOL
Quite honestly, I hope Ammon Olson gives Taysom all he can handle.Naval Vet u already knew exactly what transpired and u already knew there was
no begrudging Taysom Hill by Stanford and u already knew about the mid-year
transfer situation and u know full well that BYU did not recruit Taysom while on
his mission and u already know u are a ute hack but what u don't know is
that u'are not funny.
I forget, how did Riley's great leadership give us any wins, like in the
TCU game where he panicked almost every time he got the ball? Oh, I remember,
he could field punts in practice, not throw the ball in games. I hope we are
not headed for more of the same.
NavalVet, it helps to have a memory of previous articles and the storyline which
was written about Standford wanting to come home early from his mission, which
he was not willing to do. Standford, then wanted him to sit around for a
semester after his mission before enrolling. This has been covered fairly
extensively, both on TrueBlue, BYU apps, the Deseret News and the SL Trib, as
well as in the Daily Universe. A true blue BYU fan would remember these stories.
What is it with people like Navel V that just has to find something nefarious in
anything BYU? Is there no end to the hatred, jealousy and envy? See PapaSmurf
for the answer any intelligent person would find.
No Naval Vet, he is referring to Stanford wanting him to leave his mission early
as they do not accept mid-year enrollees, forcing Hill to sit out longer than he
desired or to transfer.
"He didn’t blame me for (transferring) even though he was aware of
everything that transpired..." -- Taysom Hill"Even
though..."??? What was it that "transpired" that Harbaugh might
have held a grudge over? Was Hill referring to him being recruited while he was
on his mission?