And what of all that praise this paper was heaping on the MWC with 5 entries?
SDSU, gone! UNLV, gone! New Mexico, gone! Boise will be gone! Only Colorado
STate comes out a winner.
Pretty funny that so many Cougar fans were talking smack that the mighty WCC and
MWC were so great in comparison with the Pac-12 ... between having a number 1
seed in the tourney (Gonzaga) and the MWC having 5 teams with much overall
better tourney seeds than the Pac-12. Several of these same people made silly
predictions that the Pac-12 would go 0-5 or 1-4 in their first round games.Yet here we are after day one and Gonzaga was nearly the first ever #1 seed to
lose their first game, Saint Mary's is gone, and the better seeded MWC is
1-3 so far. Meanwhile the terrible Pac-12 has gone 3-0 despite getting the raw
end of the seedings.I'd say it's time to end the comparisons
between these three conferences ... there is no comparison, the Pac-12 is
clearly better than the MWC and far better than the WCC. End of story.
dumprake, might want to check your bracket . . . SDSU plays tomorrow. Boise
lost their play-in game.That being said, Pac12 teams are 3 - 0. How
motorbike,You're facts confuse Utah County's fiction... I am
getting really tired of you Utah fans bringing up facts...HAHA at least we have
John Stockton's son playing for our CYO national title... ask about CYO!?
The story was about Gongzaga and Southern. Can't we just leave out BYU and
Utah and whatever other conferences for just a minute? I do agree that talk is
so cheap and worthless. The reality is just whoever wins the games.
PAC12: 3-for-3WCC: awful-for-2Y fans would be best to keep
their mouths shut - it's not wise to insult your superiors.
BYU fans are not doing the talking here. All I see are five comments from Ute
fans who are left to talk about their conference because their team is done for
I love my Pac 12 memberhsip and all Pac 12 teams!Don't be
surprised to see a Pac 12 team in the final 4, with how Oregon and Arizona
looked yesterday.Pac 12 for life!
I see that my little sister is crowing about her "PAC 10.2 membership"
again.It's sad when we have to live in the reflected light of
our accomplished associates, because we're incapable of producing any light
of our own.Fun games yesterday. Maybe someday, we'll be good
enough to actually be participants, rather than hosts and spectators.Go ZAGs!
Simply put; Gonzaga did not look like a #1 team. There will be no PAc10 teams
in the final four nor the elite eight. As we have seen in tourney play, bad
teams (PAC 10) can play well for a game or two and then drop out. The PAC may
have won a few lucky games last night but the run will be over next week. Mark
Eliot"BYU fans are not doing the talking here. All I see are
five comments from Ute fans..."____________And
there's a reason for that Eliot. BYU fans already did their talking, which
is exactly why they're noticeably quiet today. Not a surprise though, this
is how it usually goes.
Looking back a year:Syracuse escaped UNC-Asheville 72-65 on
Thursday, avoiding being the first #1 seed to lose to a #16 seed in the NCAA
men's basketball tournament.But it wasn't pretty -- and it
wasn't without controversy at the end.The Orange benefited from
two questionable calls late in the game.After pulling out a
controversial win against the #16 seed, the Orange then dispatched #8 seed
Kansas State and #4 seed Wisconsin, before losing to #2 seed Ohio State in the
Elite Eight 70-77.It's funny how quickly the haters want to
write Gonzaga off for only winning 68-62 in a game in which the Zags never
trailed after the 8:28 mark of the first half.
Just the FAX"It's funny how quickly the haters want to
write Gonzaga off..."__________Don't point the finger
at "the haters", it's pretty much the entire country at this point.
Just turn on ESPN.
@Just the FAXThanks for adding a little perspective to the shrill
voices of the haters.Gonzaga isn't the first, and certainly
won't be the last, high seed to struggle against a much lower seed. In the
end, however, it doesn't matter whether you win by 50 or by 1, the most
important thing is to win and advance.Gonzaga's next opponent,
Wichita, lost to Creighton TWICE in March; Creighton lost to Saint Mary's
in late March; and Gonzaga easily handled Saint Mary's THREE times.In other words, fans who are eagerly trying to write Gonzaga off, may be
motorbike"Don't point the finger at "the haters",
it's pretty much the entire country at this point. Just turn on
ESPN."Whether you call them "haters" or
"naysayers," they're always eager to write off any
"mid-major" that struggles. The power conference-centric media may
occasionally embrace a feel-good story of an underdog Butler
"over-achieving", but bitterly refuses to fully accept as legitimate any
team outside of the traditional "power" conferences.
Ironically, struggling to beat Southern have been the best thing that could have
happened to Gonzaga this tournament. The Zags are used to being considered
nothing but a decent team from a small conference. Being one of the big boy
favorites is not part of their MO. They're much more comfortable being the
underdogs. With the rest of the country now questioning their right to even be a
#1 seed, the Zags are back in their comfort zone of proving the naysayers
wrong.It's funny how quickly the kids on the hill have jumped
on the hating bandwagon to help themselves feel better about another failed
Perhaps you're right motormouth, but the real mystery here is why Ute fans
are doing any talking at all given the current idle status of their team. May I
suggest you gently turn the key in a counterclockwise direction and gracefully
remove it from the ignition.
Perspective:As we saw last year with Syracuse, Gonzaga is hardly
unique as a #1 seed struggling against a #16 seed.There have been
two one-point wins by #1 seeds over #16 seeds -- Georgetown over Princeton and
Oklahoma over East Tennessee State, both in 1989. And, there was one two-point
game -- Purdue over Western Carolina in 1996 -- and one that went overtime --
Michigan State 75-71 over Murray State in 1990.Other #1's have
trailed #16's at halftime, the last Kansas, which was behind by two points
before going on to beat Holy Cross 70-59 in 2002.It happens, even to
the blue bloods of college basketball. So why is it such a big deal for
Gonzaga?New Mexico actually losing to a team that had NEVER won an
NCAA tournament game is a much bigger deal.
Eliot"Perhaps you're right motormouth, but the real mystery
here is why Ute fans are doing any talking at all given the current idle status
of their team."____________Hilarious. Tell me where
anything that's been said by me or other Ute fans on this topic has
anything to do with Utah or BYU? Do you need me to admit Utah was terrible this
year and the last several? Okay, I admit it. Good now? By the way, how many NCAA
tourney teams did the Y beat this year? I know Utah beat at least four - two of
which already have tourney wins. I think it's pretty clear that BYU
isn't much, if any, better than Utah right now.Bottom line is this,
Ute fans on this thread are only responding to the ridiculous comments that were
made by BYU fans when talking conference smack before the tourney began. For
whatever reason, people like yourself can't handle the fact that people
like myself are calling those people out.So quit assuming we're
haters. I don't hate Gonzaga or the WCC for that matter - this has
absolutely nothing to do with that.
"Tell me where anything that's been said by me or other Ute fans on
this topic has anything to do with Utah or BYU?"Dumb question,
but here's the very obvious answer.Utah is in the PAC 10.2.Obviously, since the Utes stunk up the regular season so badly that they
didn't even qualify for the lowest of the post season tournaments, U are
forced to live vicariously through the accomplishments of your conference
associates.Anything to help U feel better about that train wreck on
motorbike"I think it's pretty clear that BYU isn't
much, if any, better than Utah right now."Only in your
dreams!149-145 overall; 7 in a row; 11 of the last 12; three
straight 20-point wins in the HC by the Cougars; RPI #63 BYU versus #161 Utah,
"I know Utah beat at least four - two of which already have tourney
wins."Unfortunately for you, U also LOST to FIVE teams, which,
like Utah, didn't have a prayer of getting into any post season tournament
without winning their conference tourney:#180 Ore St#191 Wash
St#218 SMU#232 CS Northridge#282 Sac StWe
understand why U like to pretend that the other side of the ledger doesn't
exist for Utah, but when U balance the good wins with the ugly losses, the net
balance leaves U ranked #161 in RPI, not good enough to be included in the 148
teams invited to continue playing in the post season.
ND95CA"The power conference-centric media may occasionally
embrace a feel-good story of an underdog Butler "over-achieving", but
bitterly refuses to fully accept as legitimate any team outside of the
traditional "power" conferences."___________And
why is this? Let me help ... 1960-2012 NCAA champions:Ohio StateCincinnatiCincinnatiLoyola (Chicago)UCLAUCLATexas WesternUCLAUCLAUCLAUCLAUCLAUCLAUCLANorth Carolina StateUCLAIndianaMarquetteKentuckyMichigan StateLouisvilleIndianaNorth
CarolinaNorth Carolina StateGeorgetownVillanovaLouisvilleIndianaKansasMichiganUNLVDukeDukeNorth CarolinaArkansasUCLAKentuckyArizonaKentuckyConnecticutMichigan StateDukeMarylandSyracuseConnecticutNorth CarolinaFloridaFloridaKansasNorth CarolinaDukeConnecticutKentuckyThere are two teams that weren't considered being from a "power
conference" at the time they won the championship.No one is
saying Gonzaga isn't good and that they don't belong in the tourney.
People are just saying that their number one seed comes with a lot of question
marks. It's simple at this point, if they win it all or even make the
championship game, the "naysayers" will be proven wrong. We'll see
scott,I appreciate your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Yet
when I speak with my BYU friends that are a bit more level headed than those
frequenting this website, they all mention how BYU managed to stay the same if
not get worse through the season while noticing how much better the U was at the
end of the year. They specifically mention their relief that BYU played Utah
early in the season and acknowledge that Utah was the better of the two at
seasons end. It's for this exact reason I worded my comment the way I did
... "...BYU isn't much, if any, better than Utah right now." -
emphasis on NOW.So give me all the RPI ratings, etc that you want ... but
level headed people saw Utah beating Colorado, Oregon and Cal at the end of the
season and they witnessed BYU losing to San Diego TWICE. And tell me, what team
worth anything did the Y beat this year? Their best win was probably Utah when
Utah was still putting their team together.Congrats on the NIT by the way.
mussingaround"Dumb question, but here's the very obvious
answer. Utah is in the PAC 10.2."__________You've
obviously got a serious problem with context. Your cute little comment
doesn't make sense when in fact the rest of us (prior to you and a couple
others diverting the conversation) were talking specifically about the
conferences and their performances in the NCAA tourney. Last I checked neither
BYU or Utah were invited.I have to laugh at how worked up you folks
have gotten over this topic. There's nothing better than seeing you guys
try to compensate by bringing out the "PAC 10.2" comments. No jealousy
there huh? I love it!
mussingaroundYou wrote: "Unfortunately for you, U also LOST to
FIVE teams, which, like Utah, didn't have a prayer of getting into any post
season tournament..."______You may as well add BYU to your
list of teams Utah would beat if they played them again.________________________________________You wrote: "We
understand why U like to pretend that the other side of the ledger doesn't
exist for Utah."______Apparently you missed the other part
of my comment where I specifically said; "Do you need me to admit Utah
was terrible this year and the last several? Okay, I admit it." Or was
it this part you missed; "BYU isn't much, if any, better than
Utah right now."You do know what NOW means, right?
Looks like motormouth really has a bee under his bonnet.Sorry to
burst your delusional crimson bubble, but despite the opinions of a couple of
your "BYU" friends, you have absolutely no proof that Utah would beat
BYU if the two teams played again. The BYU team that beat Washington in the 2nd
half, would have easily handled Utah. That's as NOW as you can get!Notwithstanding your frantic and emotional diatribe, seasons are judged
in their entirety, not by one little four-game hot streak at the end of an
otherwise dismal season.#63 BYU(22-11) still playing in the NIT,
with a 7th straight win over the Utes, is still MUCH BETTER than #161
Utah(15-18) watching the post season from home for the 4th straight season.
motordude"And tell me, what team worth anything did the Y beat
this year?"Didn't BYU just beat Washington this week?You know, the team Utah fans were gushing about beating to notch their
first PAC 10.2 win in 6 tries.Of course, the Huskies were the most
awesome team on the planet when Utah beat them in mid-January, but losing to PAC
10.2 tourney champion Oregon by 3 in OT and losing to BYU by 11 this week,
proved that the Huskies were a fraud...except when Utah beat them;
the Huskies were still awesome back then.
MUSSing with U ...Actually I'd readily admit that BYU beating
Washington was a nice win, and definitely their best win of the year. But since
you compared that to Utah beating them, lets remember that Washington holds one
of the best home court advantages in the Pac 12 and that Utah beat them on that
court. BYU got to play them in the confines of the Marriott center after having
a TON of rest which Washington didn't have.Bottom line though,
you guys bringing this conversation around to Washington only helps prove my
original point ... you've just admitted that what you consider to be
BYU's best win, was over a Pac 12 team. So thank you, thank you for
settling this whole 'which conference is best' discussion.
motorbikeYou're full of whiny excuses. A TON of rest also
equals a TON of rust. What was Utah's excuse for losing to Sac St and CS
Northridge AT HOME? If San Diego and San Francisco were good enough to beat BYU
in the MC, why did the mighty PAC 12 Utes and Huskies fall short?There's a reason Utah finished almost 100 places lower in RPI than BYU;
if you objectively evaluate the records of both teams, I'm sure you'll
be able figure out what that reason is.Here's a clue: Seasons
aren't evaluated simply by who you beat, but also by who you don't
Summary after the round of 64WCC - 2-1(66%)PAC - 3-2(60%)MWC - 2-3(40%)#1 seeds Gonzaga and Kansas both got scares, but
survived#2 seed Georgetown lost to Florida Gulf Coast, a team playing in
its first NCAA tournament#3 seed New Mexico lost to Harvard, a team that
won its first NCAA tournament game#4 seed Kansas St lost#5 seeds
Oklahoma St, Wisconsin and UNLV lost#6 seed UCLA lost7 of the
Top 24 teams didn't make it to the round of 32Gonzaga, Arizona,
and SDSU appear to have the most realistic chances of making it to the Sweet
Snack PAC"Gonzaga, Arizona, and SDSU appear to have the most
realistic chances of making it to the Sweet Sixteen"48 hours
ago, who would have guessed that #7 SDSU playing #15 FGCU might have the
toughest matchup of the three. Harvard could be tough for Arizona if the Crimson
are hitting their outside shots. Gonzaga should be able to handle Wichita, a
team that lost twice to Evansville and Creighton.
Re: Snack PACYou are counting St. Mary's win against Middle
Tennessee State in the first four.Who even picks the first four in
their bracket?Who brags about winning a first four game as winning a
tournament game?The MEAP is 1-1 in the tournament.North
Carolina A&T beat a 15-21 Liberty team in the first four.The
MEAP conference is so good.
Gonzaga loses to Wichita State.Oregon and Arizona go to the Sweet
16.When was the last time the best team in the WCC advanced farther
than the best team in Pac-12? Has this ever happened?Pac-12: 11 of
the 12 current schools have played in a final 4WCC: 0 teams currently in
this conference have ever made the final 4Which conference is
better? It isn't even close.
Now what were all of you coug fans saying? The sound of crickets is
darn near deafening.