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Published: Thursday, March 21 2013 5:05 a.m. MDT

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Weber State Graduate
Clearfield, UT

"And the so-called "lamellai," or "golden plates,"...take a position remarkably like Paul's own argument."

Wow, what an amazing stretch of reasoning! Peterson's continued attempts to create assumed associations in order to advance an allusion of probability are remarkable. And to cleverly insert "golden plates" into the discussion, knowing it resonates with Latter Day Saints, is a stroke of apologetic genius.

The Pyrgi lamellae is a series of three inscriptions on rolls of gold foil, two of which were written in Etruscan. There is no literal translation available of the Etruscan plates. Although the sound of the Etruscan letters is known, we simply don't understand the meaning of their words. It's almost impossible to precisely understand their texts because their language seems not to belong to any known group.

A rough "transliteration" (much different than translation) of these plates is available and suggests they are nothing more than a dedication of a divinity statue to the Phoenician goddess Astarte.

I'm not quite sure how Peterson can make the connection that these plates somehow produce corroborating evidence for an LDS belief that we are of the same genus with God.

Portland, OR

Zig Ziglar told the story of "Little Ben Hooper", a story which his audiences enjoyed for decades. I respected Zig Ziglar, not because he was a Christian, but because he was a rarely flinching eternal optimist who looked for, and found, the best in humanity, which he offered to anyone who would listen.

Many believe we are all children of God, and though I have personal doubts, such a belief system can only make the planet a safer place if people act on that belief, daily.

To me, Pope Francis could be the beacon we need in these turbulent times. If one man can impact hundreds of millions to do better, then all things seem possible. And it shouldn't stop with him as religious leaders everywhere could come together to act and help tackle the problems we all face.

Orem, UT

And Peterson's article mentioned the specific Pyrgi lamellai where, exactly?

Kjirstin Youngberg
Mapleton, UT

If, indeed, we believe in a divine creation~that we were formed of the dust of the universe by the God of us all~we must conclude we are all "of God" as it was He (or They, as recorded in many ancient texts of Genesis) who created us. As He has no limitations, and is in fact the God of the complete universe, it stands to reason we will one day meet His children of galaxies distant from our own. God is said to reign on a planet near Kolob, which does not even appear to be within our own Milky Way. Would that make Him an extraterrestrial to a non-believer or His own?

It is far past time to do away with petty differences and distinctions between belief systems, races, genders, ages, wealth, caste or infirmities. We are all children of God within one universe. God who knows when a sparrow falls, and when any living thing dies, that change is felt by distant stars. His command to "love one another" remains unheeded.

If we expect to meet our genera on other worlds, we must first love all upon our own.

Read: Moses. Watch: YouTube - fractal geometry.

Westland, MI

Again Dr. Peterson brings forth many doctrinal errors:

Jesus Christ is the ONLY Begotten of the Father (which event occurred before all things were created in heaven and on earth by the Father, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, AND by the Son, whose name alone is Jesus Christ).

We are ADOPTED into the family of God ONLY thru the atonement of Jesus Christ, and then and only then do we become the sons and daughters of God. We are the offspring of God in the sense that we are adopted into what will be the one and only one family in eternity - the family of God. There will be no families in the new heaven and new earth. There will be no social barriers that naturally exist here in this life.

Also, we are all the offspring of God only in the sense that all people who have ever been born on earth have a soul or spirit created by God in their mother's womb at conception only, Jesus Christ of course being the ONLY exception.

Finally, the delusion of God's wife, the Eternal Mother in Heaven Goddess, contradicts Isa.43:10 and Isa.44:8 to start.


We are all children of God, but we don't all act like it.

Weber State Graduate
Clearfield, UT

Peterson's reference was "And the so-called "lamellai," or "golden plates," that have been found in tombs in Thessaly, Crete and Italy take a position remarkably like Paul's own argument."

The "lamellai" or "golden plates" I’m aware of found in "Italy" were the Pyrgi Lamellae -- gold plates excavated from a sanctuary on the Tyrrhenian coast of Italy. These golden plates have nothing to do with a Pauline argument that we all are of the same genus with God.

When referring to "lamellai" or "golden plates" found in Italy, it's difficult to believe that he wasn't referring to the Pyrgi Lamellae gold plates. Of course, I could be wrong and would invite Peterson to correct my deduction -- I'm willing to admit my mistaken assumption.

However, if Peterson was indeed referring to the Pyrgi Lamellae gold plates found in Italy, I would be very interested in how he draws his conclusion that these plates "take a position remarkably like Paul’s own argument."

Buena Vista, VA

I agree with Dan Peterson completely and disagree with Michigander. The context of the Isaiah scriptures was to teach against worshiping stone idols, as Israel's neighbors did. Read the verses after Isaiah 44:8. These scriptures were never meant to address the deeper questions of a Heavenly Mother, pro or con. Most ancient peoples believed in many gods, who, like the Greek gods, were always competing with each other. On the other hand, LDS worship one Godhead, who are all one with each other (not physically however, but still very unified) and believe that other gods may also exist, but they do not compete with each other. They are also one with each other. Jesus was the only begotten of the Father in the flesh - the only mortal ever born who had God for the father not only of his spirit, but of his body too. This does not mean God isn't the father of the rest of our spirits, as Hebrews 12:9 reminds us. God being the literal Father of all, not some force that fills space, was one of the things I learned to really appreciate on my mission when I found so many who believe otherwise.

the truth
Holladay, UT


Christ is the only PHYSICALLY begotten son of God.

God is the literal father of all our spirits.

Does really make any logical sense that we do not have an Heavenly Mother? No. it defies reason.

Family is clearly an eternal concept.

Jesus Loves U
kaysville, UT

So when one thinks that Jesus is the literal begotten of the Father, means in Mormonism that God the Father came upon Mary in a physical form and had an intimate relationship with her. This is so contrary to what the bible teaches and is biblically incorrrect and false. She Mary was a virgin. God came down in flesh and this God was spoken by the Book of Mormon, Mosiah 7: 26 And a prophet of the Lord have they slain; yea, a chosen man of God, who told them of their wickedness and abominations, and prophesied of many things which are to come, yea, even the coming of Christ.
27 And because he said unto them that Christ was THE GOD, the Father of ALL things,

Jesus Loves U
kaysville, UT

We are all creations of God but not God's children until we become His child. We are considered "filthy rags to God" because we all all connected to sin. Once we become free of sin through Jesus Christ and believe in Him and Him alone for our salvation, then we become a child of His. We are not until that happens. John 1:12-13..

Westland, MI

@ the truth:

Christ is the ONLY Begotten of the Father before the heavens and earth and all things that in them were ever created. He (Jesus) is before all things. Only means only - once - one time.

God is the Father of our spirits or souls only thru the adoption that comes by faith in Christ Jesus.

Eternal Mother in Heaven Goddess (God's wife) is blasphemy. Only God the Eternal Father can bring forth an Only Begotten Son. That is why He is the Omnipotent God.

The one Family of God is an eternal concept. Families in the flesh are for this life only.

Westland, MI


"... other gods may also exist, but they do not compete with each other." This is totally absurd and contradicts the following:

Isa.43:10: "before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me."

Isa.44:8: Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."

These means there are no other Gods or Goddesses in heaven as well as on earth, whether stone or any other object.

Orem, UT

Michigander (and even more so) Jesus Loves U:

Professor Peterson has published (in this column) an actual argument against your position. Simply repeating your position yet again doesn't exactly respond to the argument that he's made.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

Michigander: Sorry but the verses you site are actually referencing Jehovah, not Elohim. This is where Jehovah spells out that it is I AM. This is one reason the Jews of the New Testament denied Jesus Christ as he stated he was I Am. Continue reading. Again you like Sharrona only see what you want to see and not the entire discourse it presents. As has been noted Jesus Christ, Heavenly Father and the Holy Ghost make up the God Head. This is perfectly taught in the First Vision and through out the New Testament. The God of the Old Testament is Jehovah but as many Christian Sects do the disavow a lot of what the Old Testament says. In many ways they actually deny the Old Testament.

Jesus Loves U
kaysville, UT

The God, the only God of the OT is Yahweh, Jehovah, the Almighty God, The Great I AM, they are all the same God. No where in the OT does God come up with Elohim? Show me in the scriptures where Elohim is even mentioned? There is no claim of a Father in the OT only God, this God came down in flesh as the NT clearly supports. He is called Immanuel, "God with Us". He is the word, who is God, He came down in flesh as John 1:14 supports. The Father appeared in the NT because, God the Father is spirit and His son is made of a tablernacle of clay. In Collosians 2:9, it states in Christ, that in Him dwells the fullness of the Godhead. God the Father is not flesh, it's impossible, Jesus couldn't indwell God the Father in physical form, only God the Spirit. Hope this makes sense..

Westland, MI

@ Bill in Nebraska:

The Father has always been called JEHOVAH and the Son has always been called Jesus Christ from the very beginning.

"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most High [God] over all the earth." (Psalm 83:18).

"Behold, I am he who was prepared from the foundation of the world to redeem my people. Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. In me shall all mankind have light and that eternally, even they who shall believe on my name; and they shall become my sons and my daughters." (Ether 3:14).

Elohim is just the Hebrew plural word for "the Father and the Son" forever linked together by the Holy Ghost, which is the mind of the Father and the Son per 1Cor.2:10-16 and Philip.2:5.

layton, UT

RE: Bill in Nebraska, Acts 17:28-29 ‘For in him we live and move and have our BEING[Creation is dependent on God for its very existence,Ex Nihlo] As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’ “Therefore since we are God’s offspring (genos)…”.
True,generically speaking God created man. But,

The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship= (*huiothesia,5206) And by him we cry, **Abba, Father.(Romans 8:15)

* The Greek word for adoption to sonship is a term referring to the full legal standing of an adopted male heir in Roman culture.
** Aramaic for father.

(John 1:12) Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right=(,Authority,exousia,1849) to “become children of God”.

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them(John 3:36)

Seattle, WA

Christ told us to love one another but reading these comments show that he told us in vain.


"Wow, what an amazing stretch of reasoning!"

That was a rather poorly-informed attack on the excellent work of Dr. Peterson. It took but a couple of minutes to find the translation in question, which was quoted faithfully by Dr. Peterson: "They will ask you with keen mind what is your quest in the gloom of deadly Hades. They will ask you for what reason you have come. Tell them the whole truth straight out. Say: 'I am the child of Earth and starry Heaven, but of Heaven is my birth: this you know yourselves. I am parched with thirst and perishing: give me quickly chill water flowing from the pool of Memory.' Assuredly the kings of the underworld take pity on you, and will themselves give you water from the spring divine; then you, when you have drunk, traverse the holy path which other initiates and bacchants tread in glory."

We most assuredly are of divine origin.

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