Nice win Cougars! Let's keep it up!
Great game for the Cougars tonight. My question is, where was this team at the
WCC tournament? If they would have played with this intensity and with the
confidence of tonight, the Cougars would probably be playing in the NCAA. Really
a yo-yo season.
Good win, as Carlino goes, so goes the Y. You pretty well know what
your going to get from Haws. Davies is fairly consistent, but whether Carlino
is on or off seems to be the determining factor. Every game gives
the Y more experience, keep rollin Cougs.
Cougar highlights:* loss by five to the number one team in the
country* 2-0 record against Pac 12 competition* 22 victories,--many
teams would love that* television exposure* beat Utah, Utah State,
and Weber. 5-1 in football & basketballNot perfect, but very
good. I'll take that
Now we see why BYU wasn't invited into the conference.They want
a team who would guaranty wins for the existing teams. This increases the
number of teams qualifying for bowl games, and the NCAA tournament.
Nice win for the Cougars but don't think too highly of it. After all it
was against a Pac 10 team.
Great win against UW. The Huskies played well, but the Cougars played better.
Now its time to beat a good team from the southeast.
Crowd of 7511??Is that how we should reward a team for making it to
post season play?
Attendance = 7,511? Way to support your team, BYU fans. (Or byu "fans"
as duckhunter would say.)
Great game Cougars! I want Sharp back, we need his hops, defense and a few
This is pretty much the team Coug fans had been hoping to watch all season ...
at least during the second half, for certain. Nice job, team!
They will need Sharp's athleticism in the next game. Hope he can play.
The Cougs love playing against pac10 "competition." Third year in a row
of NOT one and done...man, I love watching my team in post season action!
We all love coach Rose but he almost let this one get away and was basically out
coached....again. Playing Cusick and Calvert in the backcourt...together, for
most of the first half was nearly a disaster. I know Carlino turned it on in
the 2nd half but Rose has got to stay with him a bit longer and not be so quick
to pull him out. A Carlino who is working through his consistencies is better
than either Cusick or Calvert. And, wow, playing both of them together? Ouch,
talk about lack of athleticism.
That's a decent win for BYU, a applaud their effort. I have never seen a
coach (Washington's Lorenzo Romar) do so little with so much talent. Great
recruiter, horrible game day coach.
Great win and good game. Wish I were in Utah. Would love to go to the game.
22,000 seats and best we can do is a tad more than 7500??? If the next game is
at BYU I would hope the fans will Rise and Shout and fill the place. Want to
help them win that is how.
Good job cougs. Does Haws have it in him to keep it going?
goredSeriously, attendance smack?BYU's 7,500 NIT
fans would have been 2nd last year. Iowa topped 13k, and was at least a couple
thousand more than any other NIT game last night. And lets not forget, this was
an actual warm bodies in seats attendance, not padded by 2 or 3 thousand phantom
season ticket holder no shows.I'm expecting 10,000+ for the
Fun game to watch. Lots of scoring and great transition b-ball for the cougars.
Way to Go!
Congratulations BYU on a great opening round NIT win over Washington!Hopefully many thousands more Cougar fans will join us at the next game.If the Cougars had played more games like they played last night, they
would have been dancing in the Big Dance tomorrow night. BYU is now 7-0 in home
NIT games and should be hosting Tenn/Mercer in the 2nd round on Friday, Saturday
or Monday.Go Cougs!
I think Calvert was a good sub for Carlino, who was stinking it up in the first
half. In fact, if I didn't know better, when I saw a guard throwing up
bricks from distance and making passes to the other team, I would have thought
it was just Carlino doing his thing. His great second half was fun, but it
hardly makes up for the several games we lost because of his unintelligent,
Not attendance Smack but Attendance FACT. Football games can get 65000 I do not
see why we can not get at least 15000 or better yet fill the place for a Post
Season Game. Hello there are 30000 students. If half showed up there is 15000.
1/3 and 10000. I know they are busy and have school but so do the players and I
am sure glad more than a 1/3 of the team showed up to play the game. In
addition there are a lot of people and fans in the Intermountain area let alone
Orem and Provo. We brag of our fan base so where were they? Sorry but not
Smack. FACT! Come on Cougar Fans show your spirit. Go to the game
and support your team. Watching TV does not do it. Leave that to us that have
This was an electrifying win. Matt Carlino's threes and the steady
performance by Davies and Haws held back an excellent Washington team. BYU had
to play nearly a perfect game in the second half, hitting critical free throws
and knocking down threes. This was the best game of the season which shows BYU
has improved and learned. Tennessee if that is the next opponent will be a tough
2020Herriman, UTBest analysis I heard from ESPN concerning St. Marys
and why they should not be in the tournament, "They played nobody! They beat
nobody!" I love it.___________St. Mary's won
last night, highlights were replayed several times on ESPN.I don't
recall seeing BYU highlights on national TV, do you? Perhaps once, but I did not
WACpaddled"I don't recall seeing BYU highlights on national
TV, do you?"Nice try, but the BYU-Washington game was NATIONALLY
TELEVISED on ESPN!Meanwhile, that little train wreck on the hill has
quietly faded into the sunset now that the post season tournaments have
begun.btw, BYU is now 2-0 versus the PAC 12. It took the Utes NINE
games before they picked up their 2nd PAC 12 win.
Made some good shots.
That was more like the BYU team most of us expected to see all season. It's
not the Big Dance, but it's fun to see BYU playing well in a post season
tournament against good competition. Something to build on for next season.
If Haws and Davies are the motor that run the car, Carlino is a 15 year old with
a learners permit trying to figure out how to parallel park...
Getting Paddled,Don't get too excited about a commentator saying that
St. Mary's did not play anyone. If you are hanging your hat on this then
that "Noboby" is 2-0 against your mighty PAC 10.2
Great game last night. Fun to watch. WCC 2-0 so far. Nice to see St. Marys
pulling down a first round win. If Haws, Davies, and Carlino can keep this up,
@fireonthemtn, ..."Carlino is a 15 year old with a learners permit trying to
figure out how to parallel park..."Ha!ha! That was funny! But
though it was true, you must look at the bright side. He did indeed learn to
parallel park in the second half and my gosh he was beautiful! Let's hope
he and the boys keep smoking it up. It was quite fun to watch.Go
I sure enjoyed watching the Y win their playoff and bowl games, and especially
against PAC12 teams! How were that red team up North's playoff/bowl games
in football and basketball? I was meaning to ask how they were
doing in their GREAT CONFERENCE!
This proves that BYU would have won the PAC 12.
Having 17 turnovers in the last 3 games makes Carlino a problem. It looked like
moving him to the 2 and taking the ball/decision making out of his hands was a
great coaching move.Maybe this is where we see him contribute next year.
Just dont let him run the offense! His decision making is awful!
This commanding victory proves BYU should be in the tournament. What might have
been had they been given a chance.
I'm not sure why Ute fans have such an interest in BYU's attendance
figures since 7500 at the Huntsman would probably be their biggest crowd of the
year. A few reasons for the relatively small crowd at the Washington game were
1) it was Washington, after all--an also ran from the weak PAC12 conference, 2)
middle of the week and short notice for ticket buyers 3) nationally televised
game in prime time with no black-out in area, 4) fans disappointed with not
making the NCAA tournament. At any rate, for those of us who went to the game,
it was fun. Can't wait for round two. Go Cougars!
Nice to get a win over a good team from a weaker conference! Go Cougs.
Coach Rose's treatment of Carlino is the reason they won. He knows that
this team without a floor general is doomed. We have to have unselfish
leadership from the point guard (truly running the offense) to open Haws and
Davies and allow for great transition basketball! When Carlino comes out and
tries to take over the game, the entire offense atrophies. When he sees the
floor, becomes conscious of the defense and knows where his teammates are, he
not only dishes and slashes his way to opening the offense, but also improves
his own shot selection (and therefore his point production). Coach Rose made
the adjustments and had the conversations (according to news sources) with
Carlino that allowed for the second half surge. Great job Coach!!
I went. Good game overall. First I've seen in person in 8 years and 22
before that. The crowd was actually pretty vocal, notwithstanding the old
codger sitting 5 rows behind me yelling at everyone to sit down so he could see.
I just about handed him a $100 bill along with a note to use it to pay his
cable and watch from home. I mean really... people are into a game - get up
with them or move higher in the stands so they're not in your way. Haws is
the real deal.
(Stats borrowed w/o permission)* The PAC-12's attendance avg is
only 7800.* BYU only had 1 1/2 days to sell tickets to a anti-climactic
post-season game.* Yesterday Maryland had 4000. St. Joseph's had
3000. Florida State had under 3000. Robert Morris had less than 3500 for
Kentucky (small arena). Virginia had about 4800. Alabama had less than 3000.* Stanford had a little over 1000.* Last year when Utah hosted
Washington (they had a whole regular season to sell tickets), their listed
attendance was about 8800, and we all know that their ACTUAL attendance was much
lower.BYU did just fine.
So that was the team that barely lost in OT to PAC 12 tournament champion Oregon
88-77 just 5 days ago? Washington is a good, solid team, but, quite
frankly, San Diego is tougher.
I expected BYU to lose by five, a la the Gonzaga game. Instead, they blew up UW
in the 2nd half. Good news is that the Cougars are young. Maybe next year.BTW has Romero ever recruited a white guy? I don't recall ever
seeing a white player on a Romero team. Not that I noticed, of course. That
would be racist!
You guys make big brother proud when you measure yourself against him and the
ekuteLayton, UT"You guys make big brother proud when you measure
yourself against him and the Pac12."We're the U's
daddy, and we might as well adopt the rest of the PAC-12 teams - we own them.Go BYU!! Proud Papas...
After being idle for 11 days, BYU was a little rusty to start the game, but they
came on like gang busters in the 2nd half.For a player who's
been so heavily criticized, Carlino had an awesome stat line:5-11
FG, 4-8 3PT, 6-6 FT, 7 REB, 9 AST, 2 STL, and 20 points. If Matt could just cut
down on his turnovers, he had 5, he could be a really good point guard, but as
some have suggested, he may be better as a shooting guard. It would be great to
see Matt practice like crazy this summer to improve the consistency of his
shooting.Haws is returning to form and Davies played a great game,
despite being outmatched physically by his larger counterparts.Looking forward to a fun 2nd round game.
ekuteDon't kid yourself little brother - big brother has owned
U for years:149-145 overall, 7 in a row, 11 of the last 12Once again, your big brother is providing something for U to talk about during
the post season.
@Runner i would have done the same thing that coach Rose did.Carlino needed a
wake up call,his play was so sloppy in the 1st half he might as well have been
playing for UW benching him is probably the best thing that could have
happened to him,because it woke him up and he decided that he wanted to play
and it showed in the 2nd half.
@BlueNtheFaceHold on there...using actual numbers only confuses
those who pretend they would be actually watching their own team if they were
playing in any tournament. Instead they rant and rave about BYU and everything
related.Good job actually making some irrefutable, yet very logical
Great game for the Cougars last night. It was fun to see them bounce back from a
disappointing end to the regular season. Haws, Davies and Carlino probably had
their best combined overall game of the season, especially in the 2nd half.Looking forward to the Tenn/Mercer - BYU game!------ekute - measure this...Business Insider rated 25 Colleges
Where The Students Are Both Hot And Smart#25 Cal Poly#24 UC
Santa Barbara#19 UCLA#16 BYU Idaho#14 USC#9 Santa
Clara#8 Stanford#1 BYUIt's nice to have great
football and basketball programs as well.
Yeah BYU owns the PAC 12.After all they on got five teams into the big
dance.Carry on BYU, carry on. Show everyone you can be the 69th best
team in the country!Because that's all you will be if somehow winning
Haha You all crack me up. You beat the 8th best team in the PAC-12 at home and
you think you could compete in the PAC 12. Your dreaming a little bit BYU played
there best game of the season and you were in a dog fight against a 18-16 team
that finished PAC 12 play 5-9. Overall it's nice to see BYU pick up a
decent win it's just sad to see BYU fans acting like there so supurb for
beating a struggling PAC 12 team.
Washington was only the 8th place PAC-12 team?? You sure?Actually, they
tied for 6th - it was a 4-way tie w/ ASU, USC, and Stanford. Who
ended up playing in the PAC-12 Tournament Championship Game? Was it Washington?
Oh yeah, it was. They lost to Oregon by 3 in OT.It's obvious
you're trying hard to spin our win into something to be ashamed of. Well
we're proud of our above-avg team and the fight they still have in them.
Good luck next year, Utes. P.S. Your mini-run in the PAC-12 happens
a lot in college basketball. It's nothing to get too excited about. Just
ask U of San Diego and Loyola Marymount.
sports4life1"You beat the 8th best team in the PAC-12 at home
and you think you could compete in the PAC 12."LOL at your
spin!The "8th best team" in the PAC 10.2 BARELY lost to the
PAC 10.2 tourney champion, by 3 points, in overtime, only 5 days ago. And isn't this the same PAC 10.2 team that Utah fans were crowing about
beating just a few weeks ago when the Utes FINALLY won their first PAC 10.2 game
of the season?It's laughable how quickly PAC 10.2 teams turn
from being the greatest thing since sliced bread, when Utah beats them, to dog
meat, when BYU beats them.----------upinthenight"Show everyone you can be the 69th best team in the country!"It's better to be the 69th best team in the country and to be
winning in the oldest post season tournament, than to be the 152nd best team in
the country and spending the post season on the couch, as usual.btw,
Dog fight?? Not sure a double digit win is a dog fight. Stretching it a little,
sports4life1"Your dreaming a little bit BYU played there best
game of the season and you were in a dog fight against a 18-16 team that
finished PAC 12 play 5-9."Is that what they teach in that R99
English class at the U?Just to refresh your memory a little...Mar 14 Washington loses in OVERTIME to PAC 12 tourney champion Oregon
77-80Mar 15 Utah is destroyed by Oregon 45-64 Mar 19 Washington
loses to BYU 79-90We all know how Utah fans would be spinning this
if the roles for BYU and Utah were reversed, so you can stop with minimization
and hyperbole.Of course BYU could compete in the PAC 12,
there's never been any doubt about that, except from our jealous little
friends on the hill.
@ sports4life1Well said. Even Utah handled Washington; on the
road.@ LonestarRunnerI guarantee that list is based on
nothing except student polls. If you tried to cite something like that as a
source in a paper or brought it up in a court of law you would be laughed at.
It doesn't provide a shred of valid scientific evidence, and therefor it is
That was the best combined game by Haws, Davies and Carlino. And against a good
team. (It's not like they were playing College of Idaho or Willamette U).
If they continue to play like this, we could see them play 3 or 4 more games
this year.If Carlino and Haws continue to play like this next year
(with the addition of K Collinsworth), we will have a very good backcourt.Congrats on a great win!
@ Blue Husky You might want to check your facts when you say "BTW has
Romero ever recruited a white guy? I don't recall ever seeing a white
player on a Romero team."Actually the coaches name is Lorenzo
Romar at UW. John Brockman is white, and was recruited by him a few years back.
There have been others as well, but he's the one that's a local boy.
Truth MachineSalt Lake City, UTsports4life1----------upinthenight"Show everyone you can be the 69th best team
in the country!"It's better to be the 69th best team in the
country and to be winning in the oldest post season tournament, than to be the
152nd best team in the country and spending the post season on the couch, as
usual.btw,________Nice to see the continuing
tradition of setting a low bar for BYU fans. Forget being number one, or the top
25. We want to be number 69! LOL!
This is what I took out of this game. I saw BYU beat a very talented, but
underachieving UW team. With the exception of Haws, BYU played pretty
poorly in the first half. Rose tried to spark the offense with Culvert and
Cusick. They were very ineffective.Carlino played his potential the 2nd
half and probably the best half of his career. His forte is transition. He has
made some beautiful thread-the-needle passes all year in transition. And he has
always been an exceptional rebounder for a guard. He still takes ill-advised
shots and happened to make a few of them, but when he is not on, it kills the
team. BYU won because someone (Carlino) besides Haws provided some much needed
scoring.The biggest flaw of this team all season is their lack of a half
court offense. It is like watching an NBA game. There is very little in the way
of plays or execution. It is mostly throw the ball to your scorers and have him
try to create his own shot, often resulting in a very poor shot or a turnover.
sports4life1-can't brag about beating a low tier Utah team, but a
Washington win is great. In all honesty,--the PAC 12 doesn't measure up to
the WCC.BYU, St Mary, San Diego, Gonzaga, Santa Clara, or San
Francisco could have won the PAC 0012 tournament.
I really would support BYU if there fans had higher IQ's but it's
unfortunate that things need to be spelled out for you so here we are.1st 5 Pac 12 teams made the tournament and in the NIT Arizona St has the 3
seed, Stanford has the 4 seed and washington had the 6th seed. So if you can
count that puts Washington at the 8th best team.2nd Do you really
think scores solve anything cause it doesn't Why do you think they have a
7 game series in the NBA Playoffs.You want to compare Scores and Games
well truth is you can never win because you can always look at the good games
and bad games.
twoferDon't get your boxers in a bunch. Of course the list is
based on opinions, but since when has there ever been "valid scientific
evidence" proving that someone is "hot". It's laughable how
uptight and hypersensitive our friends on the hill get over the silliest
things.If it makes you feel better, there's also a list of the
hardest working, hardest partying schools.Don't kid yourself
about the validity of "sources", however. Tweets and comments on blogs
have been used as evidence in courts of law.
Ok - but the champion of the NIT is still one slot lower than the lowest picked
team for the NCAA tournament. Not much bragging rights. I would hate to play in
the NIT unless I guess I wanted to showcase my talents on a crummy team.
@ BlueNtheFaceUCLA and Oregon played in the PAC-12 tournament
championship. Washington beat WSU in the first round and then lost to Oregon in
SportsFanI believe that 2-0 against PAC10.2 teams should be
considered a BYU 'two in row' stat, something the Utes had to wait
until the last two games of regular season to string together. Makes it even
more significant in these important stats for Ute fans to understand. LOLIckuteNothing to measure against when it comes to
basketball. However U guys did manage a string of some great 'moral
victories' this year. Congrats.
@sports4life1you said Do you really think scores solve anything
cause it doesn't Why do you think they have a 7 game series in the NBA
Playoffs.You want to compare Scores and Games well truth is you can never
win because you can always look at the good games and bad gamesSo
you mean like the Ute fans that think thay are all that because they have won 3
out of 4 football games, only 1 by a land side. Yet BYU basketball is not any
good because they beat the so called 8th best team in the pac-whatever. I for
one am very confussed at the thought process of some ute fans. We all play the
deck that is dealt one and done is college and that is the way is and has always
I'm really not sure what the heck your suggesting couglifer. All I'm
saying is you can't think your such a powerhouse because you took down 2
PAC 12 teams at home that really aren't very good. I guess my question is
what do you mean by competing if you consider winning 5 maybe 6 games in the
PAC-12 then yes I guess BYU could do that. but there's no way BYU would
finish in the Top half this season. You won 2 struggling PAC 12 games at home
but I really doubt you would of won those 2 games on the road. Quit crying to your bigger brother BYU's a good program but there not as
good as Utah is. Your program will never play on sundays, so your arguments are
BlueNtheFaceRancho Cucamonga, CAyou are wrong about who played in
the pac12 championship game it was UCLA and OREGON in the championship game
in Las Vrgas
Sports4lifeWhat?! BYU's basketball program is not as good as
Utah's?Based on what?Do you even live on planet Earth?I'll be the first to admit that BYU is no powerhouse this year but you
have no claim whatsoever of superiority in basketball. In fact if you take all
the intercollegiate sports as a whole, Utah doesn't even come close to
BYU.Please take your delusions to articles about Utah.
LOL at all Ute fans here trying to take shots at BYU. Major insecurities coming
out from the 'fans' up on the hill. We've got 2fer stomping his
feet and whining about some survey that has BYU as the top college for Smart and
Hot students...hilarious! Of course the survey's 'worthless',
since everybody already knows that BYU has the smartest and hottest students of
any college. Kind of silly for someone to do a survey on it, that's just
common knowledge!Then we've got sports4life1 in meltdown mode,
proclaiming Utah's athletic program is superior to BYU's when both
their basketball and football teams finished with losing records and stayed home
for the postseason. Classic! The only significant accomplishment Utah achieved
over the last year was sneaking by the BYU football team that all Utah fans say
is horrible, pathetic, and irrelevant, and yet they constantly pump themselves
up about knocking the Cougars off.Incredible! Phenomenal!
Arugula!Here's a hint for U: the fact that U use beating BYU as
your metric of success just goes to show how little brotherish U are.Utah 'fans' never cease to amaze me. Go Cougars!
@sammygWork hard all summer on your name calling, it's the only
satisfaction your going to get after we whoop you again this fall. And tell your
friends to save their stats and numbers, they're going to need them all. Go
The best part, though, is how the Ute fans who were gushing about beating
Washington a few weeks ago, and who then came onto BYU boards and talked about
athletic the Huskies were, and how good they were, are now backtracking, saying
that Washington's no good, they're a horrible PAC 12 team, etc.Awesome!I love U guys! You're hilarious!On
a more serious note, I would imagine that the vast majority of the BYU fan base
knows that BYU is not great this year. We have a good, but undersized center, a
phenomenal shooting guard, and a very talented, but wildly inconsistent point
guard. And that's it. There's no consistency from the bench, we lost
two solid players before the season began, we have two walk-ons playing a
significant amount of time, a couple of solid role players in Austin and Sharp,
and two JC transfers who haven't panned out.And yet, for all of
that, in our 'bad' year, we still have won 22 games, finished 3rd in
the WCC, reached the postseason for the 8th straight year, and are 2-0 against
the 'mighty' PAC 12.Dave Rose is amazing. I love my
@truecoug1I agree, Coach Roses skills stood out last night. If this
next game stays close, I question the heart of the team. Can Haws carry them for
2 in a row. I don't think I've seen that this year.
" I really would support BYU if there fans had higher IQ's but
it's unfortunate that things need to be spelled out for you so here we
are."'There' is some unintentional irony in that
sentence. I think anyone who doesn't understand what a homonym is has
little room to bag on my IQ or spell out anything for me.Lots of
frantic and emotional spin going on here, as the Ute trolls like to say.
Attendance smack from Utes? Really? Ragging on the NIT from a fanbase whose
team is sitting at home? Ripping on the quality of another PAC team that
finished higher than yours and at least made it to a tournament? Applying
courtroom evidentiary standards to a fluff piece that says BYU's #1 in
something? Talk about insecurity! But go on, keep telling us how Utah has
moved beyond its insignificant old rival.
@sports4life1First of all I never said that the basketball team was
great or could compete in the pac-whatever. I will tell you right now that they
are an average team with a very good coach. You take Rose out of the equation
and they win 16 to 18 games tops this year. I have also commented on
how I thought the Utes were improved over last year. What I get
tired of is the fans that sit here and say whatever univ is so much better then
BYU because they come from a better conference they are bigger and more athletic
BYU does not have a chance but when BYU wins it is because this team or that
team stinks and are not very good and they are the 8th best team in our
conference and so on and so on. It cannot be both are they (Washington) good yes
and no they were good enough to get into the NIT just like Kentucky, Stanford,
Arizona St and BYU but not good enough to get into the NCAA tourney.
"Quit crying to your bigger brother BYU's a good program but there not
as good as Utah is. Your program will never play on sundays, so your arguments
are pointless." - Said the little Ute whose team is at home watching all
post-season tournaments on their couch as their rival who is 7-1 in the last 8
meetings between the two wins a game in a post-season tourney for the fourth
straight year.If this were Jeopardy the question would be "What
is the definition of irony?"Not only is BYU the better program,
they have done it despite not playing on Sunday.
@patriotYou really don't understand the difference between the NIT
and NCAA tourney. To say that the winner of the NIT is the 69th best team in
the land is a complete crock and you know better. Just look at seeds 12-16. Many
of those are there by virtue of conference tourney championships. Many of which
are tiny conferences. Like the BCS, the NCAA participants are not necessarily
the "best" teams by ranking as a national ranking goes, but I'm
sure we don't need to tell you that. A 20 loss team is in the field of
64...simply because they won their conf tourney.To suggest BYU,
Kentucky, or any other major conference potential NIT winner is not better than
those teams is completely idiotic. Then again, you root for the U so that makes
sense. At the end of the day BYU is still playing and U are not. I wish all the
in-state schools were playing...it's great visibility.You're like the left-wing media looking for a negative spin on anything
to do with conservatives or repubs. Whether it makes sense, or has any factual
basis is irrelevant.
@idablu--Sports4life is un-focused. The PAC 12 had more teams
qualifying for the NCAA, and NIT tournaments, because Utah provided two extra
wins to pad their records.That's why big sister was invited
into the conference. There's IQ.The Utes were part of a good
I hope the BYU Basketball program appreciates how they were thrown under the bus
on behalf of the Football program.Welcome to Independence - for the
Football team! But obscurity for the rest of BYU sports!
Y-Ask-Y?Obscurity only in the mind of a jealous Utah troll.
Scoop,Amen. As a lifelong BYU fan and graduate, I'm glad that
doesn't apply to you and me!