The veto of the Constitutional Carry law is a good one. Nowhere do I see more
gun control. It keeps the law intact as far as the qualifications for packing
concealed. I agree with Beckstead. There is more than just knowing how to
shoot. It's when to shoot. One has to be familiar with the ramifications
of a decision to use deadly force.The lack of training for many
individuals will result in use of a fire arm as the first decision instead of
the last. Some people will be pulling guns out at traffic accidents when they
get ticked off. People will be pulling them out during arguements, or at least
showing they have one. Many people, while not prohibited by the law,
shouldn't be allowed to pack because they don't have the common sense
that God gave a gnat.Packing a gun is a heavy burden. The
responsibility should not be taken lightly. Case in point. I have
a friend that likes to brag that he's packing. He has a CWP. He wants
everyone to know that he has a gun. He's one of those people who have no
Regardless of your view on this issue, if you were under the mistaken impression
that our Governor has an actual backbone sit back and watch him weasel his way
out of this jam by just letting the bill become law without his signature.
I have to say that the negative response is usual and expected for citizens of a
state that are willing to throw their freedoms away. Most people who have had
guns in the US are responsible people. Yes there are a few nuts out there but as
you slowly erode our/your freedoms they won't come back easily.Good luck Utah as you slip away.......
Rock on- you may be sane and intelligent, but there are many out there who
aren't or more likely who are just ignorant. A course is needed for these
people to keep themselves and the rest of us safe. I'm a sane and
intelligent person who also happens to be an excellent driver, however I would
never recommend not requiring drivers ed for new driers.
Article is typical liberal news narrowing, complete with disparaging labels.
"Oh Gee, the bad guys could carry and the police couldn't do anything
about it" Wake up people - they are already now carrying, it's just
that you aren't. Another case of punishing the law abiding for the crimes
of the wicked. It would be nice to once in a while read news not filtered
through a moonbat's filterer.
This bill is a message to the world that Utah is a dangerous place where lots of
people walk around armed to kill. guns for hunting okay. Guns to send a
political message by emotional frustrated persons is trouble.
What the detractors fail to recognize is that the only difference between this
and the open carry laws already on the books is that a person can now conceal
the weapon.Open carry laws already allow a person to have a gun on
them without a permit, as long as the gun does not have a bullet chambered.To "JoeBlow" if your ilk's desire to control guns is to
stop the mass killings, why is it that in countries that have extreamly strict
gun laws they still experience mass killings? Worldwide, doesn't it show
that gun restrictions and mass murders are not related?
@DN Subscriber"This bill (HB 76) does nothing to increase the
risk to law abiding citizens."Except it does increase your risk
of being accidentally shot by another law abiding citizen.The bill
says anyone can carry an unloaded firearm - I get that. But without proper
firearms training, how confident are you that these untrained individuals will
actually keep their guns unloaded? I can see it now: An innocent bystander is
killed because a soccer mom dropped her "unloaded" weapon when fishing
through her purse for her keys and it accidentally discharged. "I could
have sworn it wasn't loaded", she tearfully tells police.More guns = more gun accidents.
" pay the now exorbitant price for a firearm, then the doubled price for
ammunition"That is what one of the strongest lobby groups will
get you. The NRA and those who fund them have convinced many that Obama wants
to confiscate guns, so, price goes up.The NRA plan has worked to
perfection. Mountainman, Why have fully automatic weapons not been
used in any of these mass shootings lately?
Demanding more gun control laws because you believe that the criminals have too
many guns, is like having yourself neutered because you believe the neighbors
have too many kids.
This bill (HB 76) does nothing to increase the risk to law abiding citizens.
Failing to sign will only continue to make it easy for criminals to
prey on honest Utahns.Since the mere presence of a legally possessed
firearm is sufficient to stop criminal acts about 90% of the time with no shots
fired, the "lack of training" excuse should be ignored. Especially when
it is made by instructors who may be more concerned about losing business than
any real safety concerns.Besides, Vermont has had more permissive
"permitless carry" of loaded self defense guns forever, Alaska for 10
yeas, Arizona for 3 years and Wyoming for 2 years with no problems. Predictions
that similar laws in Utah would result in wild shootouts are hypothetical
hysteria that should be ignored as desperate excuses from people who oppose self
defense anyway.Sign the bill
This law stops short of laws in the other states that have these laws. They
allow you to carry a loaded weapon, this one doesn't. Those states have
not had the problems they the detractors are predicting why would Utah?Why must someone who wants to protect their family pay the now exorbitant
price for a firearm, then the doubled price for ammunition, then pay even again
for the "privilege" to carry it? Only the rich in this country have
rights anymore. This from the very politicians that that complain the rich
should pay their fair share?I got training growing up. I later got
more training at my CFP (concealed Firearm Permit) course also, which I am sure
helped, but it didn't give me all I needed or wanted to know, so I studied
on my own. I am not Unique. Why must the Government need to
register us in order to allow us our rights? That is what a CFP does. Then again, maybe we should mandate even more training so those who
can't pay "certain instructors" for the classes and permits will go
back to their Hamlets and just behave like good little Serfs.
As a gun owner, I am against this bill. As the article noted, too many people
will not know the law and that concerns me. If that could be remedied, then I
would be in favor of the bill.
I don't need anyone to teach me how to shoot a gun properly. I'm a sane, intelligent citizen. Leave me alone. I can take
care of myself, will protect my family and don't need your intrusion into
my affairs. Go away. Support this bill and return liberty to people. Eliminate government intrusion and nanny-state politics.