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Published: Saturday, March 16 2013 6:15 p.m. MDT

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Swiss
Price, Utah

The US continues to lower its carbon foot print while China an d India increase their pollution.

luv2organize
Gainesville, VA

What this article doesn't tell you is that the money you think you "save" at the pump you pay for in the cost of the new car. There really isn't any savings - in fact you probably never make up for the more expensive car in less fuel. So, if you want to buy the car to reduce pollution then go for it but don't do it because it is going to save you money on gas.

county mom
Monroe, UT

Funny how the EPA spouts off these numbers and yet they don't tell you that because of their force for higher fuel economy, soon we will all be paying far more for everything!

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

@county mom - how do you figure? The one thing that has been bolding fuel prices in check the last 2 years is that demand is at a 17 year low. Low demand equals lower prices, or at a minimum slower rising prices. Had demand kept rising at the rate is was in the early 2000's, fuel cost cost would be much higher.

@luv2organize - I don't get comments like this...."So, if you want to buy the car to reduce pollution then go for it but don't do it because it is going to save you money on gas"

Most people aren't buying cars to save gas explicitly. They get new cars every x years... and the difference is now there is a wider choice in what kind of milage your new car gets. How is this even a controversial problem? More choice is always a better thing.... but I get it... it has to do with the EPA so it must be bad....somehow.... just because....

not here
COLORADO SPRINGS, CO

Country mom: I am sorry, but i guess it is the way your trying to come across on your last two posts that has me as lost as i have ever been. Just what are you tryingto say?

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Telling only half the truth is the same a telling lie. Sometimes a really big one.

"...in the past five years fuel economy in vehicles increased by 16 percent while carbon dioxide emissions fell 13 percent."

Wonderful, but- gas prices have doubled in that same period. How much has the price of an average new or used car INCREASED in that same time period? What is the average cost per mile driven compared to five years ago. How much of the increased cost of cars and gas is driven by EPA demands? (Here, I'll save you some trouble- nearly ALL of it!). How much would gas cost if EPA and Obama stopped blocking drilling and the Keystone pipeline?

Yes, the air may be cleaner, but is that benefit really worth the extremely high cost of achieving it?

And, why should Americans be denied the freedom to choose their cars without EPA forcing them to choose between econo-box death traps, and coal-fired electric cars, or hyper expensive hybrids?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

@DN Subscriber

You managed to get almost everything wrong.

"What is the average cost per mile driven compared to five years ago"

Well, if you changed that comment to read 5 years and 2 months ago, your whole premise falls flat.
In May of 2008 the average cost of a gallon of gas was about $4.12. Today it is roughly $3.65.

"How much of the increased cost of cars and gas is driven by EPA demands? (Here, I'll save you some trouble- nearly ALL of it!). "

Really? Totally unsupportable comment. The cost of Gas is mostly driven by the cost of Crude. Which in turn is mostly driven by supply and demand. In 2008 alone, the price fluctuated between $412 and $1.61. Are you suggesting that EPA demands caused that change?

"How much would gas cost if EPA and Obama stopped blocking drilling and the Keystone pipeline?"

Answer - "THE SAME"

Crude is a world commodity. It is priced by the global market. Just like Gold and Silver.
The US cannot produce enough additional crude to affect the global price. That is just a fact.

Sorry to ruin your Anti-Obama rant with facts.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@Joe Blow

I was with you right up to the point where you said "the US cannot produce enough additional crude to affect the global price. That is just a fact."

This statement is 100% incorrect. Thanks to fracking, other technologies, and reduction in demand, by 2020 the U.S. won't need to import oil from anywhere besides Canada. By 2030, the U.S. will produce more oil than we consume. This is a good thing because it puts the U.S. in control of our own energy destiny. On the other hand, China has little energy resources and will import more oil than the rest of the world combined. They will rely on OPEC, Venezuela, Mexico, and other unstable regimes for their oil. That will destroy their economy, and in fact, it already is. For evidence of what I'm saying, trip on over to NBC News' website today and read their front-page article on oil & gas production in the U.S.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"the US cannot produce enough additional crude to affect the global price. That is just a fact."

I will stick by the statement Robin. Today, it is fact. And it is not because of any EPA or Obama policies. Things may change in the future BUT today, the EPA could shut down, all lands could be open to drilling, and we could approve the Keystone pipeline tomorrow. In a year, in two years, in 5 years, we would not affect the world price of crude by a penny or two at the most.

And, I still contend, that barring the nationalization of this countries oil, whatever is pulled out of the ground, will be sold to the highest bidder, which may be China.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Sir Robin, I think if you will check you will find that fracking is used for natural gas and not for oil. But don't let facts or details get in the way of your anti-environment and anti-Obama rhetoric.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Telling only half the truth is the same a telling lie. Sometimes a really big one.

Wonderful, but- gas prices have doubled in that same period.

Ummm....no wasn't. It was actually just over $3.40 a gallon - 5 years ago today. It actually shorly after - 4 years `4 yes 10 months ago rose all the way to averaging over $4.00 and up to almost $5. It dropped under $2 dollars for about a month back in November of 2008 - at the same time the stock market was crating and banks were failing. But for the last 5 years, the "average" price has been just above $3.15. Utah has typically been just a smidge below the national average.

So to answer your question - particularly with inflation factored in..... if we are telling the whole truth.... the cost to drive a mile in fuel cost, driving the same car, are the same or just a little bit less. That is if were talking about telling the whole truth.

Look up the prices... they are all out there and published.

RBB
Sandy, UT

Joeblow and UtahBlueDevil,

Interesting that you critique someone else's statistics and then cherry pick your own data. The peak average was 4.12, not 5 and occurred over the summer when gas prices are usually higher. Simply put, the average costvof gas has increased. Let he that is not cherry picking the data cast the first stone.

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