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Published: Friday, March 15 2013 2:25 p.m. MDT

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shark
Buena Vista, VA

The church cooperates with China because in the long run, it is the best way for the church to eventually enter that country. And the revelations say that the gospel must go to every nation and people. But cooperation with Chinese leaders does not mean that God looks lightly on their denying billions of people basic freedoms. Denying billions of people basic freedoms, including freedom of worship, is a gross sin. LDS leaders might not openly say that, because of the long term mission to enter countries "through the front door." But I still believe it to be true.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

I think Mormon missionaries can be naive and annoying, but its unbelievable how intolerant the Chinese government is. I know its like this in most Middle East countries as well.

Can you imagine if our government told all Muslims they couldnt talk about their religion with others or access religous material online. People who hail from these intolerant countries have little to complain about in terms of how they are treated in the United States, when compared with how their homeland countries treat Christians.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

I think the US government should make an agreement with the Chinese government. We'll continue to allow tens of thousands of your people to come to our universities so long as you allow our people to come and do as they please in your country.

I'm typically not supportive of Mormon missionaries, and my argument is significantly broader than wishing Mormons could send missionaries there. I just think its poor foreign policy by not standing up for our own country and citizens by the US accepting so many Chinese nationals who are allowed to do whatever they please in the US, yet we make no such demands of the chinese when our people travel/live there.

I imagine if we restricted the religious desires of the Chinese who visited/lived here the Chinese governemnt would be very upset. I wish our government did more to protect the rights/interests of our people, by simply demanding the same treatment the Chinese wish for their people.

dhsalum
Saint George, UT

While I was serving my mission in Korea, a group of Korean missionaries were captured in Afganistan, I believe, and held for ransom. I don't know if it was a big story here in America, but it was on the news every single day for a couple weeks and a few of them were executed before it was resolved. This strenthened my testimony of the church's 'entering through the front door', as shark said.

dhsalum
Saint George, UT

Wow. That was actually a humane comment from Chris B. I honestly never thought you had it in ya!

LogicalPrime
Rigby, ID

Cultural differences are thousands of years in the making, and while we may think that some questions that we deal with on a daily baisis are fundamentally moral, more often than not they aren't; they are, instead, the result of culture. This is the case with the relationship between the USA and China. Instead of showing our ignorance by judging them based on our own culture, we should make a concerted effort to learn about them, not through the blurred glass provided by our own propaganda, but through their own eyes. Because a stranger is less likely to take your advice than a friend, we should do our part to culturallty become "friends" with China; only then will they (and us!) be open to a mutually beneficial relationship between nations in which we all learn from each other and respect each other. Otherwise, we just show that we've learned nothing since our days in grade school.

shark
Buena Vista, VA

To LogicalPrime,
Point taken, but some of this isn't so much about Chinese culture as about Communism, and Communism did not start in China. It started elsewhere, and became a plague on their society, just as it becomes a plague wherever in the world it has been implemented.

tlaulu
Taylorsville, Utah

The 12th articles of faith states: "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law". This has always been the principle upon which our faith has operated as they prepare and move into other countries of the world.

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

Chris B, Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I think we are hoping if we "play by the rules", we will get reciprocation from moderate leaders at some point in time.

AZ Blue & Red
Gilbert, AZ

Having traveled to China many times and spent a few weekends there it is hard to find a church. Beijing has a couple of branches and the Church has a "building" there. Actually the 4th floor of a building. (Fascinating/miraculous story to be honest) It is very nice and it was like here in the states. Same lessons etc. This building is also used for a Chinese branch as well. But the Chinese and the international branch can not associate with each other. This is an officiall santioned Chinese branch. The church has a high respect for the rules and have abided by them. Sort of like Israel as we too have church there too but meet on Saturday and no missionary work or literature can be given out.

It is not a matter of if but when these countries will allow further work to be done but in the mean time we will abide by the rules and make new friends. Once open there will be a base to start with. Fun to see things happening. 50 years from now we will have some stories to tell. (Assuming I am still around)

5
Orem, UT

so every member is not a missionary, at least in China and Israel.

trueamerican
Huntsville, AL

Chinese will convert. Anyone will convert as long as they have a shot at getting the to U.S.

Canyontreker
TAYLORSVILLE, UT

I have been to International branches in Bejing, Xian, and Canton. We never meet with PRC members without a Chinese guard. No discussion of religion in any way even with the guard.
We had a (Western) picnic with the PRC members and Chinese guards but when we got to the park you could not walk on the grass. So, we sat on the sidewalk while passing people stopped, gathered and stood above us like it was a show. I'm sure the guards think Mormon's are really really weird.

The rules are different for each church. Millions of Muslims and Hindu are perfectly free to practice their faiths. The Catholics and some Evangelists are more open but are believed to be bugged churces and constantly watched.

I think the LDS strategy to go way above and beyond the law will earn the trust of the Chinese soon.

Plus, every member is a missionary. Just don't preach in China. PRC members can baptize their own immediate family in the country. And living by example is a good mission.

IJ
Hyrum, Ut

"so every member is not a missionary, at least in China and Israel."

Missionary work is first done by example. There is a saying: Your actions ring so loudly in my ears that I cannot hear what you are saying.

"Anyone will convert as long as they have a shot at getting the to U.S."

Actually, for the most part, the PRC members converted while in the US or those other countries mentioned, and then returned to China. Conversion was not to get to the US, it is to get home to Heavenly Father.

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

Modern day pioneers.

rlsintx
Plano, TX

People have apparently forgotten that this is exactly the constraints under which the church operated for decades in East Germany. It was allowed because members rigorously respected the laws of the land in which it was occurring. Should be interesting to see how it works through time.

flatlander
Omaha, NE

Our 2nd counselor in the bishopric is a PRC convert doing research at our med school. He, wife and four children will provide great leadership in China when they go back.

SLMG
Murtoa Australia, Victoria

flatlander

Omaha, NE

Our 2nd counselor in the bishopric is a PRC convert doing research at our med school. He, wife and four children will provide great leadership in China when they go back.

China still has a one child policy and this family most likely will not be able to return to China with 4 children. This policy is strongly enforced.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

The Lord through his prophets work miracles through their obeying the commandments that they exhort us to live. The acts of kindness also go a long way as we deal with people of various beliefs, ethnic backgrounds and cultural ways.

Having lived in Europe, Asia, Central and South America and travelling to 20-30 countries in peace and not so peaceful, we can learn from all people. Trust and honor are the ways to make friends, through our actions and through governmental means, also.

I Can Fix It
Conway, AR

SMLG

The Chinese one child policy isn't exactly how you think it is. It only applies to less than 40% of the population. The population has still gone up 100 million in the past decade or so. Try checking it out on wiki. China will probably have no problem with the four kids.

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