""I know there are people who don't like the whole idea," Noel
said. "I like the idea of moving forward.""... Yeah, we know people
don't really like the idea, and we know why, but we're ok to move
"Rep. Dana Layton, R-Orem, said she still had concerns about the possibility
of a privately run prison, citing problems in for-profit detention facilities in
other states." They why did you vote for it? Only beccause you are an
"R" and this bill is sponsered by an "R" and it is an "us
against them" mentallity? I only hope an inverstigation is done to
determine the money flows towards the Micky Mouse club on the hill.
Every year our bought and paid for republican legislature stinks it up with at
least one piece of legislation. I guess the prison relocation bill is this
year's republican trophy. I have no faith the one party voters in Utah will
hold these legislators accountable or even know what's happened. Meanwhile
the legislature maintains the zion curtain in restaurants and refuses to
investigate Swallow for state law violations. It's no fun living in a one
party totalitarian state.
I guess it just took a bit longer for the checks to clear for members in the
House than those sent to the Senate from the private prison groups.
Public financing private profits The Utah way.Can't wait to see how many hundreds of millions this goofy idea costs us.
It is utterly pathetic, that despite the majority of the populace being against
it, there really being no pressing need (majority of prison only 30 or so years
old) and other far more pressing needs, that the supposed fiscally conservative
Republicans in the Utah Legislature are railroading this $600,000,000 boondoggle
down the Utah Taxpayer's throat. The math doesn't add up. It reeks
of pandering to special interests who want to socialize the cost for their
private gain. Though I guess I shouldn't be surprised at them not caring
about the views of their constituents as the Republicans in Utah have absolute,
voter granted, immunity for anything they do; so much for checks and balances.
i love the non utahns voicing their opinion. how about worrying about your state
issues and leave Utah issues for Utahns
Wow! The democrat precinct chairs are out in force today.
The suburbs sprawled up to the prison--it was already there--and now they'd
rather not live near it. So let's move the prison, in order to allow sprawl
to march on. It's not smart growth, it means more commuter miles driven and
worse air quality, and it's going to cost the better part of a billion
dollars. Unless you're a developer or a nearby resident (who chose to live
near a prison), what's to like?
There is absolutely NO good reason to move the prison, it is simply a giant
waste of taxpayer's money. This most certainly will serve as yet another
glaring example of how lobbying is completely run amok in our country. It makes you wish we had something else besides a winner-takes-all
representation system. Perhaps something like a 5% threshold, with any party
receiving more than the minimum getting the same percentage of representatives
in congress. Thus such an election might look like the following:Party A = 14% Party B = 26%Party C = 13%Party D = 27%Party E = 24%Party F = 4%In such a system, the only wasted
votes would be the 4% that didn't quite meet the threshold...instead of the
up to just under 50% that often happens in many state and federal elections.
Their votes could be divvied up any number of ways (given to the #1 party,
etc.), and then you divide that percentage into the total body of the congress.
To simplify, merely have 100 representatives, and then the percentage equals the
number of reps each party receives. Of course, both current parties would lose
their influence, so this will never occur.
The chances that this could be a financial boondoggle of epic proportions is not
worth the risk when we have 40 plus students in too many of our secondary school
Prison relocation is a horrific path for the legislature to pursue. The costs
could triple The benefits are speculative. It is not supported by the
taxpayers yet they push. It is pure imagination 40000 jobs.
To quote Han Solo: "I have a bad feeling about this" idea. I oppose
moving the prison. No one has said how much a renovation would cost at the
present site. As to the development of some sort of "Clean Industry"
like silicone valley, there is a lot of vacant land presesntly available for
private developers in northern Utah county. Perhaps they, the private sector,
could develop their land first and see if this is such a good idea instead of
the State of Utah funding this grand venture. Twenty or thirty years is a long
time to be saddled with a bond for this potential fiasco.
We have been hoodwinked. The Legislators now can go home and look themselves in
the mirror and say "I do not have a conflict of interest", and "I
had to vote yes because State law does not allow me to abstain." They are
able to fool themselves into thinking they did the right thing and were honest.
They will ignore that conservative projections say it will take 17 years to pay
the debt of a prison move. They will ignore that a child born at the beginning
of the project will have less school funding for those 17 years. They will
continue to fool themselves into think they are fiscal conservatives while it
take years to pay off this debt. They will act shocked when the sequester cuts
hit Utah and they have to worry about coming up with more State funds because
they have to pay for the prison move. They will be shocked to see the liability
cost incurred by Private Corrections. They act surprised that Privatization
costs more than they said it would. They will express sorrow that Corrections
Officers lose good employment as Privatization takes over. They can be proud of
their vote and service.
Details are less than evident in this article.How are we to make an
informed decision if the legislature did right or wrong unless we are granted
access to the same information.Otherwise our only noise can be
uninfomed opinions.Which criminals are housed there?what is
the ntaionality of the criminals?do legal visits, medical visits, personal
visits, get taken into account?is the state completely comfortable there
is not another site that can be had for $600 million for further development?food, laundry, construction, maintenance, as well as guards and
personell will all have to travel further which will incur additional annual
costs to the state.I find it incredible that building a 2200 mile
pipline (XL) would create 1600 jobs and that bulidng a new prison would bring
40,000 jobs.As a state we should bag pipelines and build a new
prison every other year.
This is not good. There will never be tranparency in this transaction and there
will be insiders that benefit greatly. I notice Senator Mansell and other
"real Estate Brokers" aren't quoted anymore about the issue.
Probably felt the need to lay low.
I concur with the majority of comments that building a new prison is a bad idea
financially. Just make improvements where it is now...our economy is too unsure
and if they go ahead with this I believe it will be the downfall for Utah as a
State and our economical base will suffer greatly. Just leave it alone and
improve and remodel where they sit. Or is this the game of "who can get
The powerful construction and real estate lobby's have a vested interest in
high density housingwhere the prison is located. This reeks of
cronyism,cynical lobbying and will be a boondoggle of epic proportions and the
possible downfall of the whole Utah economy. It is an idea that flies in the
face of the vision most Utahn's have about clean air, quality life and
access to those volunteers who help rehabilitate inmates as well as families of