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Published: Thursday, March 14 2013 4:00 p.m. MDT

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NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

""I know there are people who don't like the whole idea," Noel said. "I like the idea of moving forward.""... Yeah, we know people don't really like the idea, and we know why, but we're ok to move ahead anyway...

Spiff
Salt Lake City, UT

"Rep. Dana Layton, R-Orem, said she still had concerns about the possibility of a privately run prison, citing problems in for-profit detention facilities in other states." They why did you vote for it? Only beccause you are an "R" and this bill is sponsered by an "R" and it is an "us against them" mentallity? I only hope an inverstigation is done to determine the money flows towards the Micky Mouse club on the hill.

ApacheNaiche
PINETOP, AZ

Get-er-done!

dalefarr
South Jordan, Utah

Every year our bought and paid for republican legislature stinks it up with at least one piece of legislation. I guess the prison relocation bill is this year's republican trophy. I have no faith the one party voters in Utah will hold these legislators accountable or even know what's happened. Meanwhile the legislature maintains the zion curtain in restaurants and refuses to investigate Swallow for state law violations. It's no fun living in a one party totalitarian state.

skibird
Spanish Fork, UT

I guess it just took a bit longer for the checks to clear for members in the House than those sent to the Senate from the private prison groups.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Public financing private profits The Utah way.

Can't wait to see how many hundreds of millions this goofy idea costs us.

Rock Of The Marne
Phoenix, AZ

It is utterly pathetic, that despite the majority of the populace being against it, there really being no pressing need (majority of prison only 30 or so years old) and other far more pressing needs, that the supposed fiscally conservative Republicans in the Utah Legislature are railroading this $600,000,000 boondoggle down the Utah Taxpayer's throat. The math doesn't add up. It reeks of pandering to special interests who want to socialize the cost for their private gain. Though I guess I shouldn't be surprised at them not caring about the views of their constituents as the Republicans in Utah have absolute, voter granted, immunity for anything they do; so much for checks and balances.

freedom in 2017
paradise, UT

i love the non utahns voicing their opinion. how about worrying about your state issues and leave Utah issues for Utahns

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

Wow! The democrat precinct chairs are out in force today.

Chachi
Charlottesville, VA

The suburbs sprawled up to the prison--it was already there--and now they'd rather not live near it. So let's move the prison, in order to allow sprawl to march on. It's not smart growth, it means more commuter miles driven and worse air quality, and it's going to cost the better part of a billion dollars. Unless you're a developer or a nearby resident (who chose to live near a prison), what's to like?

Cool Cat Cosmo
Payson, UT

There is absolutely NO good reason to move the prison, it is simply a giant waste of taxpayer's money. This most certainly will serve as yet another glaring example of how lobbying is completely run amok in our country.

It makes you wish we had something else besides a winner-takes-all representation system. Perhaps something like a 5% threshold, with any party receiving more than the minimum getting the same percentage of representatives in congress. Thus such an election might look like the following:

Party A = 14%
Party B = 26%
Party C = 13%
Party D = 27%
Party E = 24%
Party F = 4%

In such a system, the only wasted votes would be the 4% that didn't quite meet the threshold...instead of the up to just under 50% that often happens in many state and federal elections. Their votes could be divvied up any number of ways (given to the #1 party, etc.), and then you divide that percentage into the total body of the congress. To simplify, merely have 100 representatives, and then the percentage equals the number of reps each party receives. Of course, both current parties would lose their influence, so this will never occur.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

The chances that this could be a financial boondoggle of epic proportions is not worth the risk when we have 40 plus students in too many of our secondary school classes.

New to Utah
PAYSON, UT

Prison relocation is a horrific path for the legislature to pursue. The costs could triple
The benefits are speculative. It is not supported by the taxpayers yet they push. It is pure imagination 40000 jobs.

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

To quote Han Solo: "I have a bad feeling about this" idea. I oppose moving the prison. No one has said how much a renovation would cost at the present site. As to the development of some sort of "Clean Industry" like silicone valley, there is a lot of vacant land presesntly available for private developers in northern Utah county. Perhaps they, the private sector, could develop their land first and see if this is such a good idea instead of the State of Utah funding this grand venture. Twenty or thirty years is a long time to be saddled with a bond for this potential fiasco.

mightyhunterhaha
Kaysville, UT

We have been hoodwinked. The Legislators now can go home and look themselves in the mirror and say "I do not have a conflict of interest", and "I had to vote yes because State law does not allow me to abstain." They are able to fool themselves into thinking they did the right thing and were honest. They will ignore that conservative projections say it will take 17 years to pay the debt of a prison move. They will ignore that a child born at the beginning of the project will have less school funding for those 17 years. They will continue to fool themselves into think they are fiscal conservatives while it take years to pay off this debt. They will act shocked when the sequester cuts hit Utah and they have to worry about coming up with more State funds because they have to pay for the prison move. They will be shocked to see the liability cost incurred by Private Corrections. They act surprised that Privatization costs more than they said it would. They will express sorrow that Corrections Officers lose good employment as Privatization takes over. They can be proud of their vote and service.

Doug10
Roosevelt, UT

Details are less than evident in this article.

How are we to make an informed decision if the legislature did right or wrong unless we are granted access to the same information.

Otherwise our only noise can be uninfomed opinions.

Which criminals are housed there?
what is the ntaionality of the criminals?
do legal visits, medical visits, personal visits, get taken into account?
is the state completely comfortable there is not another site that can be had for $600 million for further development?

food, laundry, construction, maintenance, as well as guards and personell will all have to travel further which will incur additional annual costs to the state.

I find it incredible that building a 2200 mile pipline (XL) would create 1600 jobs and that bulidng a new prison would bring 40,000 jobs.

As a state we should bag pipelines and build a new prison every other year.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

This is not good. There will never be tranparency in this transaction and there will be insiders that benefit greatly. I notice Senator Mansell and other "real Estate Brokers" aren't quoted anymore about the issue. Probably felt the need to lay low.

suzyk#1
Mount Pleasant, UT

I concur with the majority of comments that building a new prison is a bad idea financially. Just make improvements where it is now...our economy is too unsure and if they go ahead with this I believe it will be the downfall for Utah as a State and our economical base will suffer greatly. Just leave it alone and improve and remodel where they sit. Or is this the game of "who can get impress?

New to Utah
PAYSON, UT

The powerful construction and real estate lobby's have a vested interest in high density housing
where the prison is located. This reeks of cronyism,cynical lobbying and will be a boondoggle of epic proportions and the possible downfall of the whole Utah economy. It is an idea that flies in the face of the vision most Utahn's have about clean air, quality life and access to those volunteers who help rehabilitate inmates as well as families of the prisoners.

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