In my experience, the competition for grades at BYU was MUCH greater than at the
@OatmealIt depends on which program you're talking about.
There are degrees that are much more competitive at the Y, others that are much
more competitive at the U. Don't make such sweeping generalizations.
@ Oatmeal- That could be true, since the U will give you a free pass into a
program if you add "diversity" to it. It's stressful for a U
student that doesn't fall into a "diverse" category so the school
can meet it's quota. It's harder to compete when the field isn't
level and the school is stacked against you.It's a fact if you
fit the "diverse" category and had a lower GPA than a non-diverse
student. And if the business or other program needed a "diverse" student
to fill their quota so that they can look good for all of the magazines and
Federal dollars then as a non-diverse student was left with a very slim chance
of getting in.The only other option was to fake being a liberal and
pretend that the professor was correct on their political views as opposed to
learning anything about what they're supposed to teach.But,
once they reach the coveted safe position of tenor. It's all about them.
Competition for grades shouldn't equal stress, though.How about
an actual picture of the BYU campus and not just the football stadium? I guess
it's a decent view of the neighborhood around the stadium and the MTC.
Anyone who has taken a calculus class at BYU experiences stress.
@MountanmanI'm going to go with anyone who has taken a calculus class
ever experiences stress.
@ Brave Sir Robin: Since when was "my experience" a "sweeping
generalization?" Let me guess... you are a Ute grad.
I think that BYU and Utah can provide a good education to anyone. Part of the
challenge is for the student to give it their best effort also. Once in awhile
even that is a challenge. I refer to a personal family story where a student
presented an English paper written by another person with a straight "A"
resume. The English teacher gave the paper a "D". Who or perhaps what
was being graded, the peper or what the teacher thought of the student. Yes a
college education can be challenging.
Not even a comparison. BYU's under grad classes are much more rigorous
I graduated from BYU 29 years ago. Sometimes it was stressful, but most stress
is self-induced. I loved every minute there and it was hard to leave.
It's more competetive now than it was then, at least academically. I would
never be able to get in today with the grades that got me in back then. My
youngest son just got accepted. He's a straight-A student and was sweating
it out. Some of his other LDS friends with equally good grades did not make it.
The stress levels at BYU are palpable. You can feel it walking up and down the
halls and on the campus. Too many smart people in an extremely competitive
The article didn't mention the University of Utah but the first comment was
about the University of Utah. It seems that there are so many BYU people in
these comment pages who are obsessed with the University of Utah. Fellow BYU
folks (I am a BYU grad), it is time to start going to bed thinking about
@Meadow Lark Mark - if your family story includes that it had someone do what
you described, he should be expelled for the act of misrepresenting a submission
of work as his own. "D" was far too generous.
From the link provided in the article on BYU being the 4th most stressed
university: "Brigham Young is high-strung because of its straight-edge
nature. Its strict honor code, modest form of dress and rules against drug and
alcohol only add to the stress, said Addison Day, a sophomore pre-business
major. He said that not only can you not find drugs or alcohol, but you also
can’t even buy caffeine on campus. Finally, some of the requirements for
the majors add to the high-strung atmosphere. For example, Day says the average
accepted GPA for accounting majors was a whopping 3.71. And that’s the
average."Someone is stressed out because they have a hard time
following rules? Or is it because there is addiction involved?The main
thing is that people create their own paths. How they walk those paths is up to
them. Each decision has its own consequences, whether good or bad.
Interesting article, although it doesn't explain, why BYU's undergrad
males are such desireable Husband material or the criteria used to come to this
conclusion. In the alleged Halcyon days at BYU in the late 70s, my
time, I observed alot of the BYU males on Campus wound up way too tight. I
shudder to think 35 years later these characteristics are disproportionately
reprepresented in the male student body due to the competitve admission to get
into BYU-Provo. But in the context of the time, I had women
friends report that their roomates would arise at 4am to curl their straight
hair, apply their makeup prefectly. And look nothing short of goddesses before
they left for class. Their poor beaus never saw them less than prefectly put
together. The phrase "sing woman sing" was often uttered by poor Grooms
after they married these Fasinating Womenhoodlums. I took classes
with the first cohort of Lady Enginners going through the Y's Engineering
school then. I recently read five of the top ten recent engineering graduates
were women. It is understandable given the larger population of smarter men and
women wanting to get into BYU these days.
post-script,After wading through the actual survey's. If I had
a marriage seeking daughter, who wanted to "Marry up" I'd suggest
Spot number 3. Washington University in Saint Louis or Number 4 Harvard. Nothing
wrong with that. Back in the day, there also seemed to be a small
population of attractive (single) women hanging around the BYU Law Library. I
imagine they still do.
Hmmm,. let's see --- Lowest drinking rate - Highest Stress
"Jensen Werely, the reporter with College Magazine, cited the
univeristy's strict honor code as one of the main reasons for stress,
referring to the dress code and rules against drugs and alcohol
particularly."I find it difficult to accept Mr. Werely's
conclusion that people who subject themselves to the addictive and destructive
influences of alcohol and other drugs have less-stressful lives. I can't
begin to fathom the stress I would be dealing with if I had a drinking or drug
problem. I've seen those influences at work in other people's lives,
and the results are not a lessening of stress. I've been raised to stay
away from such addictive substances, and my freedom from those problems gives me
a far less stressful life than I would otherwise have.
It can't be because of academic stress. BYU is a third tier university
except for bidness.