It isn't broke (the current permit system) .... so don't try to fix
it. Show a sense of responsibility and don't encourage people who
won't take the time to go through this process to take up weapons just
because they can and make problems for us all. ... do not pass this bill. Our
state permit system is sufficient intimidation to keep the wingnuts ... on BOTH
sides ... under control. WE HAVE THE BEST RECIPROCITY AGREEMENTS IN THE
COUNTRY....BUT THOSE CAN BE REVOKED! oh...yes...I do have a permit...and I find
it a considerable responsibility and priveledge. I don't want it messed up
by unnecessary and foolish tinkering.
Why isn't the DesNews reporting HB114 2nd Amendment Protection Act passed
the House? All of you conservatives who read the Trib, call your Senators and
urge it's passage! Time to tell the feds to stop encroaching on the rights
of the states and the people. If we don't assert our rights, the feds
will assume the power; it's time to push back by whatever means.
Crimes against humanities, is that like shooting text books?
Guns and death count is an irrelevant argument when you consider that having
guns has prevented the acts of crimes against humanities by war lords and
governors and presidents. Though freedom does require sacrifice and lives, the
very low body count in question has been worth the cost. We say if
you don't like your freedoms leave the country, just watch some world news
media programs where war and death of hundreds a day by govenrment forces is all
the facts you need. There is no such thing as a safe country where the people
cannot fight their government and that's why we have the 2nd amendement, to
fight you local sheriffs or war lords. The Bill of Rights authorizes us to trust
no one.This law does not legalize anything, it just repeals laws
restricting 2nd amendment rights. How a gun works is one of the simplest
machines in the world to learn and has but one limit, the man and mind that
holds it against the threats he faces. We need more efforts to educate people on
morality and respect for others rights, teaching obedience creates oppression,
fear, and socialism, the root of evil.
Re:DNSubscriberAlaska, Wyoming and Arizona rank in the top ten
states with the most deaths from firearms. Guess that qualifies for ZERO
problems?UT isn't known for having a high crime rate--so why do
Utahns feel they want to make it easier to carry guns in public?
Dear Legislators:Several years ago, you people created Utah's
concealed-carry permit system. I comprehend that as individuals, some of you
were not in office then, but ideologically, there was little difference.You left it intact for years, although changes were within your power.
Some of you even encouraged citizens to get such permits, and I believe at least
one of you taught the classes.Now you tell us that it's a bad
idea. It's a horrible, awful, unconstitutional restriction and needs to be
removed. Would it not also be fair for you to admit that it was YOUR idea in
the first place, and then inform us on why you should be entrusted to fix it?What changed?
@DN Subscriber - " trust the law abiding citizens of Utah who voted for you,
and their representatives, and sign the bill!"In case you did
not read the article, it would appear that the "law abiding citizens of
Utah" would rather he NOT sign the bill"A recent survey by
the BYU Center for the Study of Elections and Democracy found 82 percent of
Utahns favor universal background checks on all potential gun buyers. "
Gov. Herbert, trust the law abiding citizens of Utah who voted for you, and
their representatives, and sign the bill!Opponents and their
arguments are the same used against forcing issue ofconcealed carry
permits in 1995. 18 years of actual data prove the criticswere totally
wrong then, and they are totally wrong now.Constitutional carry is
not some crazy idea filled with unknown danger andpromoting random
gunfire. Vermont has had this forever, Alaska for 10years, Arizona for 3
years and Wyoming for 2 years with ZERO problems. And,other states are
considering adopting it too.The Constitutional Carry issue is about
good guys having to get a permissionslip to carry a legal self defense
tool.The bad guys don't care, and don't bother with
"no stinking permits!"So, the current permit requirement
does nothing to disarm criminals, onlygood guys.
As a permit holder I favor law. This law will make no difference whether bad
guys carry guns or not and probably it will encourage more good people to
carry.Utah would do well to have on its website training videos,
explaining the legal use of Guns in Utah, along with gun safety rules.Every year thousands of good people in their homes and on the street are saved
from assault or worse because they had a gun to protect them. However as gun
detractors point out, this doesn't mean that people who have and carry guns
are safer. For guns to make a person and family safer, they need to put in
practice the gun safety rules. Only then can having a gun make a family and
person safer. Gun safety is not difficult, but you need to do it.
10 CC,I don't think a literal interpretation of the
Constitution would be as big a deal as most people think it would. I don't
worry too much about people getting awesome military grade style weapons and
machinery (such as the ones you listed and others)because the average person
(and psychopath) simply cannot afford these items. In our current
interpretation of the constitution, if you're rich enough to own one of
these items and are bent on hurting people, chances are you're rich enough
to hire more effective and less conspicuous ways of hurting people. The drug
cartels, mafias, and terrorist organizations have been doing it for years with
out the use of large military machines of war and we largely cannot find and
"Will Eric Holder have to obey gun control laws or can he continue to send
them to Mexico?"As long as buying a gun is as easy as a pack of
bubble gum... I don't think you need to worry about Holder sending guns
over the baorder, because there are hundred of others doing it every day.If you really think Holder is the problem... you are sorely misinformed.
Thousands have been killed with guns bought in places like Walmar and Bass
Proshop, or your local gun show that were shipped south every day in Mexico.But that isn't nearly as sensational, now is it.
As a current permit holder and gun enthusiast I still prefer the permit
requirement with a background check for concealed carry. Seems to make sense to
The article failed to mention that the bill can become law without the
Gov's signature if he does not veto it or sign it. This is exactly what
Herbert will do in order to placate the pro gun and anti gun bases, he will
allow the bill to become law without his signature.
Here's the 2nd amendment as actually written and passed by Congress:"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed"In 2008 and 2010 the Supreme Court issued two landmark
decisions to officially establish an "individual rights" interpretation
of the Second Amendment.The Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an
individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a
militia and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as
self-defense within the home with prohibitions and restrictions on firearms
possession listed by the Court as being consistent with the Second Amendment and
that the Second Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent
that it limits the federal government. The concealed weapons class taught
in Utah focuses on the regulations and responsibilities of a gun owner carrying
a conceale weapon. It stuns me that an opportunity to educate people is not
welcomed by our legislators. Of course, this is the same group that
doesn't want our kids to know about sex either.
I don't think this bill puts Utah law in line with the Constitution, as far
as the literalists are concerned. Until Utah law permits
individuals to possess nuclear weapons, or B-52s or Apache helicopters with
anti-tank missiles, it will fall short. What's that, you say? The framers
of the Constitution could not have envisioned nuclear weapons? That is entirely
beside the point. The Constitution is very plain, there is zero ambiguity or
room for interpretation.I want a neutron bomb, and I want it now!
Anything short of that just promotes the kind of tyranny we've had to
endure since the Feds outlawed the use of leaded gasoline, or worse yet, when
they trampled on all of our rights by outlawing cigarette commercials.
Will Eric Holder have to obey gun control laws or can he continue to send them