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  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    March 17, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    The main problem with this BYU team is the lack of great outside shooting. Brick after brick from behind the arc. Toward the end they just gave up on treys. Pounding it inside would have worked better if Brandon Davies could have been able to swing it out to a shooter once in a while. Haws did not have the outside touch he had before his mission. But who else? Carlino could get hot, but nobody was consistent. And the fast breaks? Where were they?

    NIT or not, we can write this season off, hopefully as a rare occurrence in the Rose years.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    March 15, 2013 1:35 p.m.

    The biggest problem with BYU this year is that they do not deserve to play in the post season this year. They have too many embarassing turnover in games and a key player cannot stay on the court enough for wins. While Davies and Haws are great players and have great futures in basketball, BYU doesn't play with discipline and a game plan. I hope for a better year next year, but for me, this year is over. Bring on football! Go Cougars!

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    March 13, 2013 10:14 p.m.

    BYU will be in the NIT... they have been to 6 straight NCCA tourney's so a history of recent winning is on their side, they have 21 wins this season, an arena that seats over 20K, an RPI of 68 which isnt great but 100 teams go to the NCCA tourney and NIT combined so you would have to think that a team in the 60s will be in the NIT.
    I think BYU biggest problem this season was Davies often being in foul trouble early in games and not having another inside scorer to go like we had last year with Hartsock. We need to find more post players that can be reliable scorers and do a better job on rebounds.

  • Jim1027 St. George, UT
    March 13, 2013 5:14 p.m.

    It is 99% certainty that the cougars will be in the NIT for several reasons:

    1. We have a large areana.
    2. We travel well.
    3. We will get a lot of fans in the areana.
    4. We play an exciting type of basketball, that brings fans when we travel.
    5. We have a winning record over the years.

    Hope we win it!

  • BYUSU Wellsville, UT
    March 13, 2013 4:40 p.m.

    Not a great year for any of the Utah college basketball teams this year. Hopefully they all do better next year :-(

  • portlander Arlington, WA
    March 13, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    I will wait to see IF BYU gets a call by the NIT. There's also another two tournaments that they could go to...The CBI and the CIT. Post season play is still exciting.

    I don't think too much of Dave Rose as a coach or as a recruiter. BYU relies too heavily on the "automatic" mormons that play ball at school and at church, so have a fairly high level of play, but are undisciplined and lack the true talent of players that go "elsewhere".

    If they could just the next level of players under their roof, then they could really compete in the WCC. But until then, they will always be "also-rans".

    Lastly, the WCC is an exciting and talented league. When the Big East gets rolling, it will be also!

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    BYU is a lock for the NIT. Fan base, 20 wins, huge arena...a lock. Anybody who thinks otherwise is just a hater.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 13, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    Osgrath:

    "On the bright side, no NIT means Kaufusi can attend all of spring football - and we need him in the fall."

    Wouldn't the Y just play in another tournament? I'd figure if the NIT passed on the cougars, they'd be a lock for the CBI. Did that tournament lose its postseason certification?

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    March 13, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    Obama and Josey:

    I don't see why anyone would have a problem playing in the NIT. No-one's delusional enough to equate it with making the Big Dance, but it's better than nothing. If you're a competitor, you want to keep playing, even if it's for "Ms. Congeniality." If you're any kind of fan, you want your team to have a shot at something positive coming out of the year.

    It may have been facetious, but the analogy about the HS tournaments is bogus . . more than half of HS teams make the post-season in most states (I think), whereas in the NCAA you'll have 68 + 32 for 100 out of 340 something still playing at least one game. I fail to see the problem.

  • MJB Tooele, UT
    March 13, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    If the cougars somehow make it to the NIT, I would like to see all seniors benched (yes, even Davies). I think they had their chance to win games during the regular season. Since they didn't do it during the regular season to make it ot the NCAA, I think we need to look to the future. We would most likely lose in the first game anyway, why not see what would happen giving the younger players the reins. I think we went with many of the seniors too long, limiting the younger players the chance to get better. I'm mostly lost in understanding why coach Rose went so long with Zylstra in games. He was a joke all year long. He was the one that always thought it was best to come down the floor quickly and hoist up a three point attempt, often missing.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    March 13, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    Thinking ahead to next year . . . I really hope Carlino improves his consistency. If he could just improve his assist to turnovers to 2:1 or better and improve his shooting percentage to 50% (field), 35% (3 point), and over 70% (free throw) he could be very good.

    We could have a very good back court next year with Carlino, Haws and Collinsworth. I'd really like to see us move Haws to the 2 spot and bring in Collisworth at the 3. I think Haws is a better shooter and Collinsworth is better at getting to the basket.

    I know Mika will not fill Davies shows in his Freshman year, but I'm optimistic about his impact. I think he will be the best Freshman big man we've had in many years. I'm really hoping Austin and Sharp can improve their game to really contribute at the 4 spot.

  • Hochmut West Jordan, UT
    March 13, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Again, it is always about the money and TV exposure. the NIT needs BYU and would be a better selection than AF or Denver or Washington in any event. The story line with Haws as top 10 in scoring as a returned missionary; the Davies story ending after a sad Soph year; and the BYU fan base brings fans in the arena...me thinks the Cougars are in!

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    March 13, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    Obama10, that's funny. I've thought that it would be like the UHSAA putting on a tourney for all those who didn't qualify for the state tourney. What's next? A tourney for losing teams? Too funny...

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    March 13, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    Whether they are in the NIT or not, who cares? The NIT used to be important. Now it is 2nd tier and no school should be happy about getting a NIT bid. As Steve Klauke used to call the NIT, "National Inconsequential Tournament". Just end the season already.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    March 13, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    The problem was not always Carlino. The problem was someone besides Davies or Haws being able to score the ball. 2nd worst 3 pt team in the WCC is horrible and neither Haws or Davies threw up a ton of 3pt shots. That leaves everyone else on the team. When a 3rd scorer stepped up BYU won. When nobody emerged BYU lost.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    March 13, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    hobbes1012003:

    Carlino does not average "several steals per game." If you're on his bandwagon, fine, but don't make stuff up. He's averaged 1.8 steals per game this year (not bad at all), but also 2.7 turnovers with only a 1.6/1 assist-to-turnover ratio. Combined with a lousy shooting percentage from the floor and a mediocre FT% and questionable position defense, and you have a maddening liability at PG.

    The guy had six games of 15+ points but also eight games of six or fewer. By comparison, Haws had 27 15+ point games and only failed to hit double-digits twice. Granted, their roles are different, but the point is that Carlino does nothing consistently well. I don't see how BYU is anything but "so-so" for the next two years if he's their PG, unless the light suddenly goes on.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 13, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    The NIT has been turned into a "kiss your sister" tournament since the NCAA expanded several years ago. I feel bad for the cougars if they don't make the NIT.They have a good record until you analyze it as was done in this article. The CBI if it still exists is the "participation tournament" kind of like in the cub scouts.

  • DaveKnowsWhatsUp Bloomington, IN
    March 13, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    Mildred, thanks for the laugh

  • Monk Pleasant Grove, UT
    March 13, 2013 7:33 a.m.

    BYU is a pretty average team this year by most measurements. Some good, some bad. They have a couple of nice players. However, a run in the NIT only serves to train underclassmen about post-season play. It should not be a benchmark or measuring stick of any sort. It is hard to get a pulse on BYU's program overall. Moments of regular season brilliance badly tinged with tournament failures. They have to figure the post season out. The best season they have had in 30 years is highlighted by a loss in the Sweet Sixteen. Not good enough to be considered elite. Sorry to say it.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    March 13, 2013 6:56 a.m.

    Lack of discipline down the stretch is what killed BYU this year. Of most of their losses I think you can find bad passes, quick 3 point shot misses etc which all came at lame times within the last few minutes of the game. Times when they could have easily gotten a quick 2 by going inside or at least taken a higher percentage shot, thrown an extra pass etc. I am not sure what has been said in the locker room but at times it looks like someone wanted to be a hero and forced up the shot instead of being patient and going for high percentage.

  • iNKSpot Wilsonville, OR
    March 13, 2013 6:22 a.m.

    Look for the Cougars to win their third NIT championship!

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    March 13, 2013 12:31 a.m.

    Not a fan, but the Y will get in. They have too big of a fan base and arena to look away from. They will lose of course, because they are probably the best "one and done" teams ever.

  • blazefan01 west jordan, UT
    March 13, 2013 12:10 a.m.

    If they don't make the NIT there is always the CBI tourney.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    March 12, 2013 11:56 p.m.

    Since the two close losses at home, BYU players have lost the confidence to win. Sure, they play hard and try to win, but it's apparent that they have lost that strong will it takes to pull out the game at the end.

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    March 12, 2013 11:51 p.m.

    One of the most glaring holes of the whole is at the guard line. After Haws there wasn't a consistent scorer/producer. Carlino's young and perhaps Delgado and Winder will make strides over the next year. It'll be interesting to see how well Mika's game transfers to the collegiate level.

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    March 12, 2013 10:51 p.m.

    Very disappointing season! Stay home as punishment. Hard one to swallow Cougs!

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    March 12, 2013 9:43 p.m.

    The NIT is all about the $$$, so it would shock me if BYU didn't get in.

  • Scott Farcus Beaver, UT
    March 12, 2013 8:44 p.m.

    POP!

  • Blue Coug Fan AMERICAN FORK, UT
    March 12, 2013 8:34 p.m.

    Carlino is very talented but it is tough to teach court vision and unselfishness. If anyone can bring him along Rose will. When he was "running wild" on the floor this year the team chemistry really suffered.

    It will really hurt losing Davies next year. Not sure what our inside presence will be like. No one has shown that they can step it up inside next year yet.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    March 12, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    I can't imagine BYU being passed over. They have 21 wins and, as they say, they "travel well." I would think that the ability to put fans into the arena will tip this their way.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    March 12, 2013 8:16 p.m.

    Carlino is key to winning/losing, the difference maker...he has great physical skills, needs to mature, to be consistent, unselfish, play smarter, maybe needs lostsa time looking at past games to understand why he turns it over so much...still, it seems we have Davies and 4 guards, so maybe we should change up the D and press sometimes, use all the guards energy and see what happens....I'm so disappointed in the low shooting percentages, esp. from outside. Still love the Cougs, hope to see them in the NIT.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    March 12, 2013 8:15 p.m.

    On the bright side, no NIT means Kaufusi can attend all of spring football - and we need him in the fall.

  • Old Navy Provo, UT
    March 12, 2013 7:56 p.m.

    Carlino was one the main problems. All season long, he played like a jackrabbit on speed. He continually threw up shots and made wild passes which ended up being turnovers.

  • trentster TUSTIN, CA
    March 12, 2013 7:23 p.m.

    Carlino is a turn-over machine as well as a very mediocre point guard. You cannot win without a legit point guard. Very simply put. Not sure if the cougs have one in the program, or one on the way this side of Lone Peak via Germany in two years. Yikes!

  • ParkerCoug12 Parker, CO
    March 12, 2013 7:04 p.m.

    I agree with JonJ. Lack of talent was clearly the issue. You can add Cusic to the list. I got tired of opposing guards blowing by him and Zylstra. Winder should have played more. He did well last year. Just needed a chance.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2013 6:32 p.m.

    Only reason the NIT would keep us out is because they know we would win it.

  • JonJ Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2013 5:54 p.m.

    Sure, Carlino still has some improving to do but he brings something to the team when he's on the floor that no one else can bring. Carlino's not the problem. The lack of talent is the problem. When Zylstra is on the floor as much as he is and doesn't do a thing to help the team win -- that is the problem. I would liked to have seen Winder get more consistent minutes and see if he could have improved. Delgado also never got a real chance to develop with consistent minutes. At least the two of them had some upside - whereas, with Zylstra, it was like BYU was playing with 4 guys. BYU needs a serious talent upgrade!

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    March 12, 2013 5:48 p.m.

    Guys BYU can play with most teams. The problem is they can not always finish. They played with the Zags and St Marys both times. Should have won the first meeting. Other times they look like they need a kick in the behind. Let's be very honest here. The NIT is not just about the best teams but who has the biggest arena and who will bring in the most $$$. Trust me BYU will be in the NIT and they will play in Provo. 80% sure. If not then in the West somewhere where they can draw all the fans. Bet the first game maybe 2 will be in Provo.

    Go BYU lets make a run now that we will be in the NIT

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    March 12, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    Tilka, they probably cannot both be opponents - maybe one or the other.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    March 12, 2013 5:20 p.m.

    Cougs went from being an NCAA bubble team in mid February to being an NIT bubble team. That's what finishing 3 - 5 will do for you. What a disappointing end to the season. The Cougs should have finished the season 7 - 3, with loses only to the Gaels (on the road) and Zags in regular season and the Zags in the WCC championship game.

    I don't know what to think of Carlino. He played poorly during non-conference, played very well during the first half of WCC play, and played poorly during the last half of WCC.

    He seems to let his emotions take over his play, and his confidence seems to be affected by his emotions. He's either needs to "fix" his game in the off-season, or we need to find another PG ASAP.

  • Zorro Bakersfield, CA
    March 12, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    Rock on-
    you're dead on!

  • hobbes1012003 Kaysville, UT
    March 12, 2013 5:09 p.m.

    @ Rock On

    Carlino is our best point gaurd. no one will take his job from him. when he is on his game his passes are beautiful and he averages several steals a game. I agree he still has some growing to do, too many mistakes but his talent level is tremendous. he was much better this year than last year and i hope he continues to get better. I cringe to see us lose in the first round of the NIT as well. which will probably happen the way we have have finished this season. I hope they execute better next year. Go Cougars!

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    March 12, 2013 4:58 p.m.

    Sorry to feel this way, but I believe both Air Force and Denver will beat BYU if they are the NIT opponents.

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    March 12, 2013 4:52 p.m.

    @ Rock On

    In what world?

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    March 12, 2013 4:50 p.m.

    Based on the recent WCC tournament, most teams were getting better as the Cougars were going the opposite direction. It is doubtful at this time whether the NIT experience would be any better. I can say that if you are looking for a team thagt will help to fill an arean, then I would invite the Cougars. The fan base would justify their selection. But is that based on how competitive the Cougars are or that they can bring fans into an arena? This was a tough year that seemed to start out with such promise and never really materialized. What happened to a team that was picked to challenge for the conference title? I have heard all of the excuses about injuries, etc..... Coaching, player development and recruiting athletic players is the answer to that excuse.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 12, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    If it happens great, if not... oh well. Looking forward to next year's team.

    5 months and we'll be talking football!

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    March 12, 2013 3:55 p.m.

    No fault of the NIT... BYU just isn't a very good team this year. Only two players would likely start on most of the WCC teams -- Davies and Haws. The rest are players 8, 9, or 10 or higher. Losing Collingsworth and Rogers as starters hurt more than most of us thought at the start of the season. Looking forward to 2013-14 and hoping someone is good enough to take the reins from Carlino.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    March 12, 2013 3:25 p.m.

    Hopefully San Diego's strong showing vs St Mary's will aid BYU. Other than that the Cougars had a very lack luster season and might not deserve any post-season play.