Hopefully San Diego's strong showing vs St Mary's will aid BYU. Other
than that the Cougars had a very lack luster season and might not deserve any
No fault of the NIT... BYU just isn't a very good team this year. Only two
players would likely start on most of the WCC teams -- Davies and Haws. The rest
are players 8, 9, or 10 or higher. Losing Collingsworth and Rogers as starters
hurt more than most of us thought at the start of the season. Looking forward to
2013-14 and hoping someone is good enough to take the reins from Carlino.
If it happens great, if not... oh well. Looking forward to next year's
team.5 months and we'll be talking football!
Based on the recent WCC tournament, most teams were getting better as the
Cougars were going the opposite direction. It is doubtful at this time whether
the NIT experience would be any better. I can say that if you are looking for a
team thagt will help to fill an arean, then I would invite the Cougars. The fan
base would justify their selection. But is that based on how competitive the
Cougars are or that they can bring fans into an arena? This was a tough year
that seemed to start out with such promise and never really materialized. What
happened to a team that was picked to challenge for the conference title? I have
heard all of the excuses about injuries, etc..... Coaching, player development
and recruiting athletic players is the answer to that excuse.
@ Rock OnIn what world?
Sorry to feel this way, but I believe both Air Force and Denver will beat BYU if
they are the NIT opponents.
@ Rock OnCarlino is our best point gaurd. no one will take his job
from him. when he is on his game his passes are beautiful and he averages
several steals a game. I agree he still has some growing to do, too many
mistakes but his talent level is tremendous. he was much better this year than
last year and i hope he continues to get better. I cringe to see us lose in the
first round of the NIT as well. which will probably happen the way we have have
finished this season. I hope they execute better next year. Go Cougars!
Rock on-you're dead on!
Cougs went from being an NCAA bubble team in mid February to being an NIT bubble
team. That's what finishing 3 - 5 will do for you. What a disappointing
end to the season. The Cougs should have finished the season 7 - 3, with loses
only to the Gaels (on the road) and Zags in regular season and the Zags in the
WCC championship game. I don't know what to think of Carlino.
He played poorly during non-conference, played very well during the first half
of WCC play, and played poorly during the last half of WCC. He seems
to let his emotions take over his play, and his confidence seems to be affected
by his emotions. He's either needs to "fix" his game in the
off-season, or we need to find another PG ASAP.
Tilka, they probably cannot both be opponents - maybe one or the other.
Guys BYU can play with most teams. The problem is they can not always finish.
They played with the Zags and St Marys both times. Should have won the first
meeting. Other times they look like they need a kick in the behind. Let's
be very honest here. The NIT is not just about the best teams but who has the
biggest arena and who will bring in the most $$$. Trust me BYU will be in the
NIT and they will play in Provo. 80% sure. If not then in the West somewhere
where they can draw all the fans. Bet the first game maybe 2 will be in Provo.
Go BYU lets make a run now that we will be in the NIT
Sure, Carlino still has some improving to do but he brings something to the team
when he's on the floor that no one else can bring. Carlino's not the
problem. The lack of talent is the problem. When Zylstra is on the floor as much
as he is and doesn't do a thing to help the team win -- that is the
problem. I would liked to have seen Winder get more consistent minutes and see
if he could have improved. Delgado also never got a real chance to develop with
consistent minutes. At least the two of them had some upside - whereas, with
Zylstra, it was like BYU was playing with 4 guys. BYU needs a serious talent
Only reason the NIT would keep us out is because they know we would win it.
I agree with JonJ. Lack of talent was clearly the issue. You can add Cusic to
the list. I got tired of opposing guards blowing by him and Zylstra. Winder
should have played more. He did well last year. Just needed a chance.
Carlino is a turn-over machine as well as a very mediocre point guard. You
cannot win without a legit point guard. Very simply put. Not sure if the cougs
have one in the program, or one on the way this side of Lone Peak via Germany in
two years. Yikes!
Carlino was one the main problems. All season long, he played like a jackrabbit
on speed. He continually threw up shots and made wild passes which ended up
On the bright side, no NIT means Kaufusi can attend all of spring football - and
we need him in the fall.
Carlino is key to winning/losing, the difference maker...he has great physical
skills, needs to mature, to be consistent, unselfish, play smarter, maybe needs
lostsa time looking at past games to understand why he turns it over so
much...still, it seems we have Davies and 4 guards, so maybe we should change up
the D and press sometimes, use all the guards energy and see what
happens....I'm so disappointed in the low shooting percentages, esp. from
outside. Still love the Cougs, hope to see them in the NIT.
I can't imagine BYU being passed over. They have 21 wins and, as they say,
they "travel well." I would think that the ability to put fans into the
arena will tip this their way.
Carlino is very talented but it is tough to teach court vision and
unselfishness. If anyone can bring him along Rose will. When he was
"running wild" on the floor this year the team chemistry really
suffered. It will really hurt losing Davies next year. Not sure
what our inside presence will be like. No one has shown that they can step it up
inside next year yet.
The NIT is all about the $$$, so it would shock me if BYU didn't get in.
Very disappointing season! Stay home as punishment. Hard one to swallow Cougs!
One of the most glaring holes of the whole is at the guard line. After Haws
there wasn't a consistent scorer/producer. Carlino's young and
perhaps Delgado and Winder will make strides over the next year. It'll be
interesting to see how well Mika's game transfers to the collegiate level.
Since the two close losses at home, BYU players have lost the confidence to win.
Sure, they play hard and try to win, but it's apparent that they have lost
that strong will it takes to pull out the game at the end.
If they don't make the NIT there is always the CBI tourney.
Not a fan, but the Y will get in. They have too big of a fan base and arena to
look away from. They will lose of course, because they are probably the best
"one and done" teams ever.
Look for the Cougars to win their third NIT championship!
Lack of discipline down the stretch is what killed BYU this year. Of most of
their losses I think you can find bad passes, quick 3 point shot misses etc
which all came at lame times within the last few minutes of the game. Times when
they could have easily gotten a quick 2 by going inside or at least taken a
higher percentage shot, thrown an extra pass etc. I am not sure what has been
said in the locker room but at times it looks like someone wanted to be a hero
and forced up the shot instead of being patient and going for high percentage.
BYU is a pretty average team this year by most measurements. Some good, some
bad. They have a couple of nice players. However, a run in the NIT only
serves to train underclassmen about post-season play. It should not be a
benchmark or measuring stick of any sort. It is hard to get a pulse on
BYU's program overall. Moments of regular season brilliance badly tinged
with tournament failures. They have to figure the post season out. The best
season they have had in 30 years is highlighted by a loss in the Sweet Sixteen.
Not good enough to be considered elite. Sorry to say it.
Mildred, thanks for the laugh
The NIT has been turned into a "kiss your sister" tournament since the
NCAA expanded several years ago. I feel bad for the cougars if they don't
make the NIT.They have a good record until you analyze it as was done in this
article. The CBI if it still exists is the "participation tournament"
kind of like in the cub scouts.
hobbes1012003:Carlino does not average "several steals per
game." If you're on his bandwagon, fine, but don't make stuff up.
He's averaged 1.8 steals per game this year (not bad at all), but also 2.7
turnovers with only a 1.6/1 assist-to-turnover ratio. Combined with a lousy
shooting percentage from the floor and a mediocre FT% and questionable position
defense, and you have a maddening liability at PG.The guy had six
games of 15+ points but also eight games of six or fewer. By comparison, Haws
had 27 15+ point games and only failed to hit double-digits twice. Granted,
their roles are different, but the point is that Carlino does nothing
consistently well. I don't see how BYU is anything but "so-so" for
the next two years if he's their PG, unless the light suddenly goes on.
The problem was not always Carlino. The problem was someone besides Davies or
Haws being able to score the ball. 2nd worst 3 pt team in the WCC is horrible
and neither Haws or Davies threw up a ton of 3pt shots. That leaves everyone
else on the team. When a 3rd scorer stepped up BYU won. When nobody emerged
Whether they are in the NIT or not, who cares? The NIT used to be important.
Now it is 2nd tier and no school should be happy about getting a NIT bid. As
Steve Klauke used to call the NIT, "National Inconsequential
Tournament". Just end the season already.
Obama10, that's funny. I've thought that it would be like the UHSAA
putting on a tourney for all those who didn't qualify for the state
tourney. What's next? A tourney for losing teams? Too funny...
Again, it is always about the money and TV exposure. the NIT needs BYU and
would be a better selection than AF or Denver or Washington in any event. The
story line with Haws as top 10 in scoring as a returned missionary; the Davies
story ending after a sad Soph year; and the BYU fan base brings fans in the
arena...me thinks the Cougars are in!
Thinking ahead to next year . . . I really hope Carlino improves his
consistency. If he could just improve his assist to turnovers to 2:1 or better
and improve his shooting percentage to 50% (field), 35% (3 point), and over 70%
(free throw) he could be very good.We could have a very good back
court next year with Carlino, Haws and Collinsworth. I'd really like to
see us move Haws to the 2 spot and bring in Collisworth at the 3. I think Haws
is a better shooter and Collinsworth is better at getting to the basket.I know Mika will not fill Davies shows in his Freshman year, but
I'm optimistic about his impact. I think he will be the best Freshman big
man we've had in many years. I'm really hoping Austin and Sharp can
improve their game to really contribute at the 4 spot.
If the cougars somehow make it to the NIT, I would like to see all seniors
benched (yes, even Davies). I think they had their chance to win games during
the regular season. Since they didn't do it during the regular season to
make it ot the NCAA, I think we need to look to the future. We would most
likely lose in the first game anyway, why not see what would happen giving the
younger players the reins. I think we went with many of the seniors too long,
limiting the younger players the chance to get better. I'm mostly lost in
understanding why coach Rose went so long with Zylstra in games. He was a joke
all year long. He was the one that always thought it was best to come down the
floor quickly and hoist up a three point attempt, often missing.
Obama and Josey:I don't see why anyone would have a problem
playing in the NIT. No-one's delusional enough to equate it with making the
Big Dance, but it's better than nothing. If you're a competitor, you
want to keep playing, even if it's for "Ms. Congeniality." If
you're any kind of fan, you want your team to have a shot at something
positive coming out of the year.It may have been facetious, but the
analogy about the HS tournaments is bogus . . more than half of HS teams make
the post-season in most states (I think), whereas in the NCAA you'll have
68 + 32 for 100 out of 340 something still playing at least one game. I fail to
see the problem.
Osgrath:"On the bright side, no NIT means Kaufusi can attend all
of spring football - and we need him in the fall."Wouldn't
the Y just play in another tournament? I'd figure if the NIT passed on the
cougars, they'd be a lock for the CBI. Did that tournament lose its
BYU is a lock for the NIT. Fan base, 20 wins, huge arena...a lock. Anybody who
thinks otherwise is just a hater.
I will wait to see IF BYU gets a call by the NIT. There's also another two
tournaments that they could go to...The CBI and the CIT. Post season play is
still exciting.I don't think too much of Dave Rose as a coach
or as a recruiter. BYU relies too heavily on the "automatic" mormons
that play ball at school and at church, so have a fairly high level of play, but
are undisciplined and lack the true talent of players that go
"elsewhere". If they could just the next level of players
under their roof, then they could really compete in the WCC. But until then,
they will always be "also-rans".Lastly, the WCC is an
exciting and talented league. When the Big East gets rolling, it will be also!
Not a great year for any of the Utah college basketball teams this year.
Hopefully they all do better next year :-(
It is 99% certainty that the cougars will be in the NIT for several reasons:1. We have a large areana.2. We travel well.3. We will get a
lot of fans in the areana.4. We play an exciting type of basketball, that
brings fans when we travel.5. We have a winning record over the years.Hope we win it!
BYU will be in the NIT... they have been to 6 straight NCCA tourney's so a
history of recent winning is on their side, they have 21 wins this season, an
arena that seats over 20K, an RPI of 68 which isnt great but 100 teams go to the
NCCA tourney and NIT combined so you would have to think that a team in the 60s
will be in the NIT.I think BYU biggest problem this season was Davies
often being in foul trouble early in games and not having another inside scorer
to go like we had last year with Hartsock. We need to find more post players
that can be reliable scorers and do a better job on rebounds.
The biggest problem with BYU this year is that they do not deserve to play in
the post season this year. They have too many embarassing turnover in games and
a key player cannot stay on the court enough for wins. While Davies and Haws
are great players and have great futures in basketball, BYU doesn't play
with discipline and a game plan. I hope for a better year next year, but for
me, this year is over. Bring on football! Go Cougars!
The main problem with this BYU team is the lack of great outside shooting. Brick
after brick from behind the arc. Toward the end they just gave up on treys.
Pounding it inside would have worked better if Brandon Davies could have been
able to swing it out to a shooter once in a while. Haws did not have the outside
touch he had before his mission. But who else? Carlino could get hot, but nobody
was consistent. And the fast breaks? Where were they?NIT or not, we
can write this season off, hopefully as a rare occurrence in the Rose years.