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Published: Tuesday, March 12 2013 11:15 a.m. MDT

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lket
Bluffdale, UT

silly law to make only worse thing they are doing is moving the prison so they and a few people can make a lot of money and the tax payers will pay for their pofit in higher transport fee's and new construction. the money for transporting prisoners will be huge. and they will still transport patients to the u hospital so gasoline bills will be higher. only the people directly in the bussiness there will see money. tax will not come because they give bussinesses sweet deals to cvome to utah. we the tax payers will pay for it.

Ett
Salt Lake City, UT

As someone who carried a firearm on the job, I can say that allowing concealed carry without permit is unlikely to cause any more issues than open carry does now. The majority of gun owners are hesitant to carry in public for many valid reasons. They aren't looking to get into conflicts. The main reason for carry is self-protection. Pulling out a firearm with intent to use it, isn't something most people do easily. All the training does, is make sure one knows basic safety rules and proper use of the weapon. Most owners already know all this. It does nothing to train people how to react to danger. You'll learn how to shoot, but not when. The driving analogy is ludicrous. People drive every day and collisions still happen. When's the last time you had to draw a weapon and fire it? In 19 years on the job, I never had to fire once, although I had to draw one several times. Often times, the sight of a gun ends the need to use it. You're way more likely to hurt someone with your car.

Something to think about
Ogden, UT

re: ett I disagree with one of your points...some do look for conflict. I had a buddy who stopped to help with a 'road rage' incident between a man and a woman. The jerk involved with that event'flashed' a gun from out of his car. What about him? I feel better knowing he can carry a gun anywhere.

I'd think you'd be more concerned with casual citizens carrying guns. The more there on the street the more likely to see one used incorrectly.

LVIS
Salt Lake City, UT

From the article - Sen. Karen Mayne, D-Salt Lake City: Guns, she said, are deadly. "And if you pick up something that's deadly, you better be skilled at it or leave it alone."

I don't disagree with you, Senator Mayne. However, what relevancy does this have to the concealed vs open-carry debate? If I am allowed to carry a gun openly, how does putting a sweater on over it, or untucking my shirt, etc., make it more dangerous? Please explain that to me.

mcclark
Salt Lake City, UT

So any paranoid, untrained fool can carry a gun. Yeah, I feel so much safer.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"The more there on the street the more likely to see one used incorrectly."

Here's 'Something [else] To Think About:

The "blood in the street" fear is STILL trotted out by gun-grabbers and politicians who don't trust the law-abiding electorate. It didn't prove true when Utah went from discretionary to "shall issue" concealed carry, nor when Arizona, Alaska and Wyoming adopted so-called "constitutional" carry legislation like this. The fact is, violent crime rates went down.

Robert Heinlein was right: "An armed society is a polite society." But don't hold your breath waiting for the gun-grabbers and pandering politicians to admit it.

Obama10
SYRACUSE, UT

So if an over-aggressive police officer in Vernal didn't let the badge and power go to his head by hassling a hunter during a rain storm, then this would have been a non-issue. No wonder we need a law to dictate every iota of our life, because some police officer with a big ego couldn't use the brain god gave him to correctly assess a "threat" from a hunter in a rain storm. Nothing like "to serve and protect" to "hassle and intimidate".

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Who more paranoid, and doesn't trust his fellow man...

The man who calmly goes about his daily business, without fear, trusting his neighbor, and building a better free-er Society?

or

The man who constantly suspects EVERYONE, who trust No-one, who lives in perpetual fear and anxiety, mentally tracks and targets ANYONE, including his neighbors, always feeling persecuted or inferior and must therefore hermit away - a self made prisoner - from Society?

radically_independent
Orem, Utah

I was pulled over in Provo because an officer thought my motorcycle was too loud. Turns out, after about an hour of "harassment" and another officer coming to check, that my bike was legal. I am wonder if the dear congressperson in Vernal would please raise a bill making it illegal for cops to harass people on motorcycles....

After all, my motorcycle is a protect form of free speech.

Exactly how many people have been "harassed" necessitating a law to protect them? An considering a gun without a round chambered to be "unloaded".... are you kidding me? I don't get what problem these people actually think they are solving. Of all the issues Utah needs to address.... this was on the top of the legislative calendar... not fixing the continuous water issues. Not fixing the problems in education. Not fixing the sprawling - and in some areas hardly planned growth. This was a top priority.

Any joe blow can now walk into a theatre with a loaded weapon.... and this improves public safety and protects rights?

UTAH Bill
Salt Lake City, UT

If guns make us safer, why aren't we the safest country in the world?

Elcapitan
Ivins, UT

John in SLC

You make a valid point. I can see no problem with open or conceal carry by citizens as long as we have our present laws. Criminals, carry cocealed without a permit,and others who choose to violate the present laws do so also. So what does it matter. I worry however about the casualness of some of the citizenry in keeping loaded firearms around their homes and work where they can be accesed by children and other irresponsible people, that could bring on some problems. Question, when did you last hear of anyone being arrested for concealing a concealed firearm illegally?

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Elcapitan:

Read State v. Williams, 636 P.2d 1092 (Utah 1981), for an history lesson on one such arrest. That case was part of the impetus for the state legislature to get realistic.

As far as your worry that irresponsible people might misuse a constitutional right, I guess every constitutional right carries risks. But test isn't required to exercise a constitutional right. Otherwise we wouldn't have uniformed and star-struck voters electing unqualified politicians, or people shouting unpopular sentiments, or cops ignoring warrants, or people building homes in flood plains or letting their kids play unattended in swimming pools, etc.

Frankly, I worry about pandering politicians and gadfly do-gooders who try to inhibit my rights because they THINK that I MIGHT be stupid.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

UTAH Bill:

Fact is, guns are just tools. But if you believe strict gun prohibitions make you safer, I guess you'll be leaving Utah and moving to Chicago or Washington, D.C. soon. Private handgun ownership by law-abiding citizens remains incredibly difficult there (despite the Supreme Court's rulings). They are the safest cities in the U.S., right?

Oh, . . . wait.

It's people with the right tools to protect themselves that make us all safer.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Are they bringing back dueling too? Should tote on hip to quick draw and kill your opponent quicker. Can you attach an assault firearm to your pickup truck? Will be easy to get a citizen posse to make us safer.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The "Constitutional Carry" issue is about good guys having to get a permission slip to carry a legal self defense tool. HB76 is a good bill and should be passed and signed by the Governor.

The bad guys don't care about any laws, and don't bother with permits! Thus, the current permit requirement does NOT disarm criminals, only good guys.

Constitutional carry is not some crazy idea filled with unknown dangers or promoting random gunfire. Vermont has had this forever, Alaska for 10 years, Arizona for 3 years and Wyoming for 2 years with ZERO problems. And, other states are considering adopting it too.

Pass the bill!

Anti Government
Alpine, UT

I strongly support the right to bear arms.

Many of the most dangerous cities in the USA have the most restrictive gun laws so the innocent are left with no guns and the criminals are gunning down record numbers of people in cities like Chicago.

All that being said I'm not sure its a good idea to let criminals/unstable people legally conceal and carry guns around.

Need to solve the exception/basis for the law without upsetting the apple cart. That said I don't think someone should be harassed because it is raining and they put on a raincoat that happens to cover their gun either. What are you supposed to do? Just strap the gun over the coat out in the rain? That doesn't work.

So tired of law enforcement/judges who can't step back and apply some reasonable judgement to situations like this. Quit bothering people that aren't causing a problem to begin with. Go solve some real crime.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

"....Fact is, guns are just tools....."
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That was true once upon a time. Settlers going west in the 19th century brought guns with them along with an ax, a plow, a shovel, and other implements of necessity for every day living. They took care of their tools which they needed to take care of them. They were aware of the hazards of careless handling.

That was then. Today, very few people really need a gun. They just want one. What was once a tool is now an item of sporting equipment, a status symbol, a means of feeling a sense of personal empowerment, something to keep in the glove compartment or under the front seat for ‘just in case,’ or something to just hold in their hands while standing in front of the bedroom mirror admiring what a tough guy looks like.

Add a provision to the Utah law. For every murder victim killed by a concealed weapon, the state of Utah pays $5 million to the victim’s next of kin. That would show that the lawmaker’s hearts are in the right place.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

Since there are reciprocal states, hopefully, this would not allow all the criminals in those other reciprocal states to come here and do whatever they wanted.

They would find a way for that to happen and Washington County wouldn't be the highest number of permits, since you wouldn't need a permit.

The liberals in the Federal government would force us to be at least as effective by passing a national law that would override ours. It seems the Governor may be right on this one, just let it be.

The Feds would love to push the law of reciprocity with us and we would lose what we have even now. Hopefully, the Senate will rethink this process in two days. The Governor has given in before to the commonsense approach.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

People do have the 2nd Ammendment right to Bear Arms (Carry guns). However many people have expressed that if they go into a store and see someone carrying a gun this makes them uncomfortable.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

If this law is passed, it would be good if Utah would put on their website videos teaching people the legal and safe use of guns. I have a permit to carry and even I would benefit be watching such videos as a refresher.

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