Does anyone really think that all of our doctors, nurses, lab techs, x-ray techs
and other health care providers are going to provide enough free care to take
care of those without insurance? These are the same doctors who are already
refusing to take Medicare patient because they don't feel that they're
being paid enough by Medicare, and now you think they're gonna help the
same patients for free? And are our hospitals ready to provide free rooms when
these people need to receive in-patient care, and let the doctors use their MRI
machines for free? The reality is that some services just
don't work well on a charity model. Would anyone support a similar model
for fire and police services, where those who can afford it subscribe for
protection and the rest have to hope that the cops and firemen will donate their
services when needed? Health care is the same way. Hoping that wealthy doctors
will donate their time and services isn't realistic.
If charities really were capable of providing full preventive and post illness
health care we would not have as many as 60,000 Americans dying because they
don't have health care insurance every year. Furthermore, we don't
live in a theocracy. It is not the churches' role to provide health care
access. Instead, it should be provided by the government and private sector
working together, which is exactly what the Affordable Care Act does. Thousands
of Utahns will suffer and die early if the false claims of piety being made by
some legislators prevail.
I know Jesus cares about everyone; whether he would releave everyone of an
individual mandate to be charitible and allow His followers to shift that
mandate to a bureacratic non-charitible government office is quite another
thing. Jesus never compelled anyone to do anything. Individual choice was
paramount with him(Scripture says there is a judgement day for evaluating how
charitable we have been. It seems he wasn't very kind to those in His day
that gave public alms while forgetting the individual mandate). I'm
absolutely certain that socialism is not His answer for solving insurance and
health care issues. Is there a better way to help the poor? Yes, there is! No
one listens; It is easier to pass it off to the government and pat yourself on
the back. The problem with doing that,however, is that in the end, our society
hardens and the poor and indigent receive less care.
WWJD? Healthcare for ALL should be a right not a privilege! We need a solution
for AFFORDABLE healthcare. Healthcare premiums of $1000's each month is NOT
affordable. Perhaps expanding Medicaid is not the answer. Suggest another
option. Jesus WOULD care for everyone and would not ask for their immigration
The funniest thing about this article and the outrage that follows in these
posts is that If Romney somehow won and introduced similar healthcare
legislation (you know, like he did before) then Utah's so called tea party
"patriots" would of course be tireless champions of that legislation and
we'd never have to hear any of the utter nonsense in this article and most
of the following posts.
One old man: Just because someone opposes government intervention doesn't
mean that they are looking the other way to helping the poor. I contribute
thousands of dollars to charity every year, something I'm glad to do. The
world is not perfect, whether government is small or large, but government
programs are neither charitable or accountable. Real charity blesses the giver
and the receiver; whereas government programs only help the receiver, and that
is questionable at times. If someone on medicaid is compelling the taxpayer to
give up his/her industry for medical services, does the taxpayer have the right
to compel the receiver to give up something in return? The accountability seems
to run only one way for those receiving government benefit. Taxpayers are tired
of being asked to give more and more and being told they are selfish for not
giving up it all. There is a better way! If anyone presents anything other than
an expansion of programs that are already failing our society, he/she is looked
upon as a heretic, selfish, or 'extreme', something that doesn't
endear the taxpayer to their cause.
Legislators quoting scripture and crying during debate of the bill? We're
one step away from a theocracy. Debate the bill on it's merits but leave
your religous dogma at the door.
Again, I say, it's amazing how many cruel and greedy people are out there
fighting against any expansion of one of the most humane and sensible things our
government ever did.They should all be ashamed of themselves;
grateful they don't need Medicare; and fervently hoping they never do need
"Medicaid expansion" is a benign, or even wonderful sounding
descriptions for a despicable scheme that lures states with the promise of
"FREE MONEY!" for four years. After that, less and less federal money,
but leaving the states stuck with the full bill for a huge federal mandate.The worst part is that the "FREE MONEY" is taken from taxpayers
anyway, but when the federal funding is cut, the taxes will not be, and state
taxes will have to be raised to cover the larger state commitments.If people want socialized medicine, just say so, and get it passed. If people
want to help the less fortunate, there are plenty of wonderful charities or
other options to support. Any one of which is more compassionate and effective
and efficient than a bloated federal bureaucracy with stifling regulations and
unsustainable overhead costs.Utah needs to stay out of the
"expanded medicaid" program. Pass the bill!
Just in case you'd ever like to do more than just make nasty comments about
people in the future - you can talk about why programs like the Medicaid
Expansion should NOT be implemented...if you could take the time and get off
your butt to do it....you just have to follow the process to testify before the
Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee.I was a regular (I am
Chair of Utah Disability Caucus) among the hundreds who did take their time and
great effort to testify. For those who think the government does too much, say
that directly into the eyes and into the ears of those who bravely took their
two minutes. Tell them why Utah should not have the Medicaid Expansion. Tell
THEM how it will hurt Utah. Tell them that YOU GUARANTEE that EVERY doctor will
take up the call to do charity work...that they would prefer earning zero
dollars over what Medicaid may pay.You won't...that takes
character and integrity. Herbert must the the ability to make this
decision. Our illustrious Legislature does not have the right to remove that
power from him.
All the 'do-gooders' out there that want to call people hypocrites for
not supporting medicaid expansion only want to talk about the one side of the
issue. How about the 'forgotten man' that the government, and all the
'do-gooders', compels to give up his/her industry for the vain hope of
socialist dreamers that think nothing of stealing honest tax payer monies to
reach a utopian socialist dream that will never work for the poor. How come
they can't study history, or look to Europe presently, to understand the
devastation that follows such non-sensical, patronizing, and self defeating
ideas as Medicaid? When do the 'do-gooders' have to face their own
robin hood mentality that theft is wrong, no matter how it is cloaked? Perhaps
looking at helping their own neighbor out before compelling others to do so
would be a good place to begin? Go figure.
Okay Senate and House and Governor - you now can have Medicaid's PCN
insurance. Doesn't cover much so even if you're in a car accident or
perhaps a slip and fall you can't go to the emergency room or even urgent
care even if you may think you're dying medicaid officers will say they
won't pay.Right now I'm worried that I will lose my PCN
insurance when it comes time to renew because it sounded like on the news
tonight that unless you're disabled, have children or a senior I won't
qualify for it any more. Being poor won't cut it.
It's hard to believe sometimes how cruel and callous some people can be.
"We can’t exclude the Legislature from that process because we do
appropriate the money for that expansion,"But the federal
gov't pays for 100% of it the first three years. They aren't
appropriating anything until year 4.
I hope it meets A LOT of resistance in the Senate!!!
"My vision is a vision of people, county by county, throughout the state,
stepping up, hearing the call to action and stepping up to serve the least of
these our brethren," Anderegg said, quoting Biblical scripture. "We have
the power to do this ourselves."Well then, it begs asking Rep.
Anderegg, why haven't you been doing so before now? Could it be that you
didn't care or ever have the inclination to do so before it became a way to
gain votes? Since you're fond of quoting scripture, here's another
one for you and your colleagues:"Woe unto you, scribes and
Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that
walk over them are not aware of them."
What a shame. Anderegg actually quotes scripture to grind the faces of the poor.
He draws close to the platitudes of serving others with his lips, but his heart
is actually far from actually helping cancer patients get life-saving drugs,
from diabetes patients getting life-saving medication, and from horrifically ill
patients getting medical care. On one hand these people reject
ObamaCare saying that we can help the poor without making everybody pay for
health insurance. But on the other hand, they then deny any medical opportunity
to any poor families who make even $1 per month (the working poor). In Utah, you
do not get any help if you have any kind of income. There are
approximately 37 other first-world economies with more humanity in medical care
than the one with scripture-quoting legislators.
Perhaps if our part-time legislators did not have gold plated health insurance
paid by the Utah Taxpayers they would have voted differently.
Why are our government representatives and doctors using terms such as
'ecclesiastical leaders' in addressing our societal health care
issues. This is not a church problem, though any help is appreciated. But at
it's core, this is a society problem for everyone.
"Leave it up to the governor." Are you kidding me? "Get our share
of the pie." Really? Now you can see what's wrong with today's
Is there EVER a point where the taxpayers are justified in saying "NO'
or "No More" . . . or are we supposed to just keep coughing up into
infinity? Thanks to all the wonderful programs, agencies, bills, schemes,
projects, etc., we're now far more indebted and bankrupt than any nation or
culture in the history of the world--but maybe it's not enough yet. Maybe
it will NEVER be enough. Maybe infinity really is the goal. At least
that's what it looks like.