There is always this nasty problem of property rights. Perhaps the hang-gliders
could come up with sufficient money to buy the quarry?
My thoughts exactly, carman. Buy the quarry. Surely it's for sale.
I'm appalled by the attitudes many Utahns express towards those who are
trying to preserve the beauty and resources of our state. When all our mountains
have been reduced to gravel pits and open-pit mines, when all our valleys have
been reduced to asphalt, and when our air is an opaque poison, how many of you
will still want to live in that wasteland?You folks who are saying
"Free Market! Property Rights! Those solve everything!" are conveniently
forgetting that one of the main reasons Geneva Rock is tearing the world down is
because our tax dollars are paying them to do so. We spend a ridiculous amount
of money on road construction in this state - in the top 10 per capita
nationally, having more than doubled in the last six years, despite our
otherwise small state budget - and less than a third of that is paid for by gas
taxes. This creates a demand for gravel, asphalt, and concrete that is much
higher than it would be in a free market. Politics has created the problem, and
it demands a political solution.
Utah is always looking for ways to draw tourists to the state. Utah ought to
consider buying this land and then including it in its tourists advertisements.
Gravel and dirt can be gotten most anywhere. A world class jumping off point
isn't that common.
I'm surprised that the hang gliders are not classified as a public
nuisance, especially so close to a federal highway. When driving north on I-15
they are a huge distraction to driving.As a driver on gov't
subsidized roads I believe my rights are such that I should be able to drive on
a public road without the distraction from an activity fraught with so much
danger.I want a fence so my driving will not be distracted before
the thought of the gov't buying the Geneva quarry for this minority group
or better yet... let's just tax hang gliding and let them fund their own
playground and the fence I want.
@ carman there's nothing to buy, it's a gravel mining claim, rented,
depleted of it's profitable resources, then returned to the people when the
resource is no longer.Profit first, Utah's Environmental Plan.
Hang gliding at point of the mountain is operating on borrowed time anyway.
It's only a matter of time before some inexperienced hang glider encounters
an unexpected wind shift and lands on I-15 where he gets run over by a semi or a
minivan. At that point the governor will step in and make it illegal.
Brave Sir RobinSan Diego, CAHang gliding at point of the mountain is
operating on borrowed time anyway. It's only a matter of time before some
inexperienced hang glider encounters an unexpected wind shift and lands on I-15
where he gets run over by a semi or a minivan. At that point the governor will
step in and make it illegal.9:24 a.m. March 11, 2013============ That's ridiculous.They've been flying
off the potm since 1971.Maybe we should just bulldoze the Torrey
Pines gliderport in your neighborhood -- same difference.
Normally I am pro business but I tend to side with the hang/para gliders on this
one. Just because its there does not mean we have to exploit it to the maximum.
It is not like Point of the Mountain is the only gravel location in the entire
state. One question pops up on the radar, what are the restoration plans for
POTM after Geneva has leveled, dug and mined every square inch? Will they leave
it to the legislature to fund the restoration? And, how will removal of so much
terrain and elevation effect the prevailing winds and weather currents for
Draper, Lehi and area. If the venturi effect of the narrows is altered how will
the two wind generators on Camp Williams fare? Is Geneva liable for the results
of the mine, mine, mine philosophy (apologies to the seagulls in "Finding
Don't have much interest in hanggliding myself. But I am wondering why all
the fuss? Yes, the sport has been there since the 1970's. But the mountain
has been drastically cut back from the 1950's forward, with no appreciable
effect on the wind. I-15 used to be a highway 91 cut through a very narrow
point--only a four lane highway with a stripe down the middle. It was
drastically cut back in the '60's to make room for the divided lanes
of 1-15. Didn't affect the wind much, as near as I can tell. Where is the
science to back up this claim?