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Published: Thursday, March 7 2013 9:55 p.m. MST

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DGDENTON
Gainesville, TX

Division in the name of diversity is splitting our nation to smithereens. This is no time for fence sitting or shrinking back from gospel principles so as not to offend others. We've been told to prepare for the last days. It is obvious we are in the Last Days.

Gpagentry
Orem, UT

I have only respect for Orson Scott Card and am proud to call him my brother. Things are what they are in this telestial world. Anything can be used to discredit someone simply by an accusation. Many people, even here in Utah, think that we Mormons are a hateful group. I personally don't know anyone who is a true racist or homophobe. God bless Orson Scott Card.

dons
WVC, UT

Gay rights advocates seem quite willing to attack in any way possible people who do not share their beliefs. They will punish others for exercising their freedom of belief by trying to rob them of their livelihood. Do they not see the irony of this? They call it "hate speech" if someone expresses a belief with which they do not agree. How is it not "hate" when they vilify people who do not agree with them? Where is the "tolerance" they demand of others? They demand freedom for themselves but do not mind taking away from people they despise. They do not truly understand the nature of freedom or of free speech--not so long as they reserve it only for themselves.

Pasmith
St Petersburg, FL

Sexuality is not a race or an ethnicity. Don't use that as part of your argument, please.

amazondoc
USA, TN

@dons --

"Gay rights advocates seem quite willing to attack in any way possible people who do not share their beliefs."

This seems rather like the pot calling the kettle black. The anti-gay crowd does plenty of attacking of their own. The difference is that the pro-gay crowd is fighting for equal treatment under the law, while the anti-gay crowd is fighting to deny gays their rights (whether it's rights to housing, marriage, service in the military, jobs, whatever). Understandably, gay people are tired of being treated as second class citizens.

"They demand freedom for themselves but do not mind taking away from people they despise."

Freedom goes both ways, here. People being attacked have just as much right to speak out as those doing the attacking -- and that includes the freedom to vote with their wallets by boycotting.

And remember -- OSC has done much more than just call homosexuals bad names (which he has) and much more than say false things about homosexuals (which he also has). Card actually **advocated the overthrow of the federal government** just because of the gay marriage issue. That's a bit over the top, don't you think?

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Most of you calling gays intolerant and haters if you disagree with us should step back and evaluate the situation.

1) Who is it that has been voting to suppress glbt equal treatment by the law?
2) Who is it that repeatedly calls glbt individuals "perverts", "immoral", "twisted", etc.?

If you'd just stop treating us like lepers and let us live our lives as WE see fit without you're passing laws to prevent us from having the same legal benefits you possess, we'd be much more than happy to leave you to your bigoted attitudes.

Card uses his influence to deny equality to American Citizens he disagrees with; we have every right to fight back.

Homosexuality AND heterosexuality, JUST LIKE RACE are inherent traits. The comparison to race is apt and appropriate. The comparison of the glbt movement for equality is comparable to the black movement for civil rights not all that long ago. You may be the majority, but we ARE Americans and we deserve equal treatment by the government and the law.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

Gpagentry, what does that mean, you don't know anyone that is a "true racist"? You know people that pretend they are racist? I don't think Mormons are hateful as a "group", in fact I think for the most part their leaders preach to be loving. Of course that is sometimes hard to take serious when they are so willing to label people as sinners, such as their totally passive aggressive little saying, "hate the sin, not the sinner." Anyway, I think there are plenty of Mormons that are very hateful of that which they don't agree with (not all, obviously). I know this from living among them and also reading their comments here.

I'm sorry Dons, I believe it is you that do not understand freedom. You have every right to say what you believe, in fact you are doing it here. But the DNews also has every right NOT to post your comment. No freedom lost. Others, also, may say what they think, and sign petitions, and boycott. No freedom lost. And if a company reacts to a boycott, they have every right too. Again, no freedom lost.

Jeff
Temple City, CA

When I was younger, I was bullied by homosexuals who pressured me and even threatened me to have sex with them (I didn't). Every male I know who was molested was molested by a homosexual or bisexual man. I have friends who were pressured by homosexuals to have sex with them (some did; one is dead from AIDS, another is HIV positive). I am friends with at least one person who lost his job because he supported Prop 8.

At the same time, I am friends with many homosexuals who enjoy good paying jobs, have no restrictions on their sexual activities, and who are winning the battle for control of the meaning of words in our society (words like "gay," "intolerant," "hateful").

I freely acknowledge that in a free society some may lose jobs to the shifting center.

At the same time, they don't have to go down quietly. And I am grateful to people like Card who are willing to stand up for what they believe to be right (and I confess I feel better when I agree with them, as I do now).

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@qapilot
"Even those opposed to gay marriage 'rights' support the right of gay people to work, something the gay rights lobby would deny to Card. "

If you're right about that then why has this state tabled the bills to ban firing someone over sexual orientation each of the last... however many years Equality Utah has been at it? Last year the Republicans in the state legislature threatened to go after SLC's non-discrimination if the Democrats and Equality Utah didn't pull back on their push to make it statewide.

@RBB
"it is ok for those advocating for homosexuality to pass laws that force people to accept the behavior."

Nobody is forcing you to marry someone of the same sex, nor forcing your church to marry same-sex couples.

" it also has no business telling you who you should rent to or who you should employ. "

Qapilot... RBB is one of those people who don't seem to be on the same page as you, thinking it's totally fine to fire people for being gay.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@DGDENTON
"Division in the name of diversity is splitting our nation to smithereens. This is no time for fence sitting"

So you think division is splitting this nation apart... and you want more division?

milojthatch
Sandy, UT

A few gay rights supports here seem bent on the idea that there is no harm or foul here. DC Comics is a private organization and Mr. Card is a private citizen, so what's the big deal? I dare each and everyone of you saying this to tell me in all honesty that if this was reversed, you would not be crying "discrimination!"

If Mr. Card supported gay ideals and petitions went out from traditional marriage groups to have him removed and DC Comics did, tell me there would not be an uproar over that?

Face it, it's only discrimination if it's against someone who thinks like you.

amazondoc
USA, TN

@Jeff -- "When I was younger, I was bullied by homosexuals who pressured me and even threatened me to have sex with them (I didn't). Every male I know who was molested was molested by a homosexual or bisexual man. "

And women are bullied and pressured and threatened **and raped** by straight men every day, in astonishing numbers. Men are not saints, regardless of whether they are straight or gay.

BYUCOLORADO
Castle Rock, CO

Very glad to hear that people are starting to boycott in earnest discriminatory viewpoints that don't have objective reasoning behind the discrimination.

I think it is only a matter of time before schools start to boycott BYU in sports for the same reasons like they did with the issue of blacks in the 70s. That caused real change to occur. I love BYU sports, but I want equality more. I hope it happens.

Sneaky Jimmy
Bay Area, CA

This is equivalent of Rush Limbaugh being an annalist for NFL broadcasts. They let him do it once and he made a complete fool of himself by bringing outmoded, outdated racial stereotypes into the conversation. If Card tries to advance his archaic agenda he will meet the same fate.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"If Mr. Card supported gay ideals and petitions went out from traditional marriage groups to have him removed and DC Comics did, tell me there would not be an uproar over that?"

Uh, milo, the exact same principle would apply. For instance, if the D-News decided to fire someone because they, say, were against the LDS church, the D-News would have every right to do that. Of course when you get into journalism (not that I think the D-News is very interested in that anymore, sorry guys) or opinion, to have integrity you should allow a bit more uh, variety in your voice.

Lets say an orginazation that is trying to make an argument for traditional marriage had someone writing freelance articles for them arguing for gay marriage, would I expect that orginazation to publish those articles or work with that writer? No, of course not.

The argument stays the same no matter which way you look at it: a private orginazation has a right to determine for itself what it will publish. That is freedom. How come you guys are having such a hard time understanding that?

milojthatch
Sandy, UT

Mark, I'm not arguing the point of DC Comics, I'm arguing the point of those 17,000 petition signers. I'm arguing the point of the thousands who sent death threats and demanded that various persons who supported Prop 8 in California be fired from their jobs. I'm arguing the point of all the wedding dress makers and photographers and cake decorators who were taken to court and lost everything because they refused their services to a gay couple despite the refusal coming because of religious beliefs.

DC Comics has only put this on hold, possibly killed it, because the artist bailed. The issue here are all the "tolerant" people who because they don't agree with Mr. Card, and feel the need to persecute him and run him out of Dodge. A person should be able to enjoy their job without persecution for their beliefs. THAT is freedom. How come you are having such a hard time understanding that?

Again, it's only discrimination if it's against your guy. That seems to be the message from the LGBTQ community.

J-TX
Allen, TX

OHBU said,
"No one is blasting him for believing same-sex marriage is wrong. They're blasting him for advocating for laws to support his theologically based agenda."

Since when did it become illegal, immoral or unpatriotic to advocate for laws that support one's personal point of view?

RanchHand said,
"If you'd just stop treating us like lepers and let us live our lives as WE see fit without you're (sic) passing laws to prevent us from having the same legal benefits you possess, we'd be much more than happy to leave you to your bigoted attitudes."

No, you wouldn't. You would then move on to the next point on your agenda that you want to force down the majority's throat.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@J-TX;

It must be scary being you, living in your frightening little world.

Jeff
Temple City, CA

@ amazondoc: It was making several points. One was that homosexuals are just as likely to be bullies as non-homosexuals, and therefore do not necessarily need or deserve special protections. The current propaganda against bullying in our society is more often than not intended to use pathos as an argument in favor of same-gender marriage.

Another point is that when people are bullied by homosexuals it is hypocritical to turn the other way and pretend that only homosexuals are bullied and therefore only homosexuals need special protections. Schools, especially in California, allow terrible things to be said to and about people that oppose same-gender marriage, but will expel anyone that even uses a perceived slur (like "that's so gay"). It appears to be a current strategy for homosexuals to bully people out of their jobs if those people support traditional opposite-gender marriage. I don't believe they should be given a pass on that.

A new point that I would like to make is that in no way is the lobbying for same-gender marriage comparable to the fight for equal rights for women and non-whites, except that homosexuals have co-opted tactics.

coltakashi
Richland, WA

I have read every piece of fiction that Orson Scott Card has published since his first, award winning story, Ender's Game, appeared in Analog Science Fiction back in 1976. In 35 years of fiction writing, he has included homosexual characters and portrayed them in a positive light,including the protagonist of his novel Songbird, a major character in his serirs The Memory of Earth, and characters in his Enders Game series of novels. There is no reason to believe that his story set in the Superman universe would be any different. Card does not use his fiction to advance his pinions about same sex marriage. He expresses himself on that isse through blogs and other opinion writing, like anyone else. And he has not asked readers of his fiction to support his views on the meaning of marriage.

This whole controversy demobstrates that "gay marriage" is very little about freedom of association, since no one is stopping gays from sharing their lives with each other. Rather,it is about creating legal means to censor anyone who does not publicly endorse homosrxual behavior as good and praiseworthy.

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