Comments about ‘Comic books becoming a battleground for gay rights’

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Published: Thursday, March 7 2013 9:55 p.m. MST

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BrentBot
Salt Lake City, UT

Perhaps OSC is concerned with the survival of our civilization. I don't see this as being hateful, but rather loving all mankind:

Marriage reflects the natural moral and social law evidenced the world over. As the late British social anthropologist Joseph Daniel Unwin noted in his study of world civilizations, any society that devalued the nuclear family soon lost what he called "expansive energy," which might best be summarized as society's will to make things better for the next generation. In fact, no society that has loosened sexual morality outside of man-woman marriage has survived.

Analyzing studies of cultures spanning several thousands of years on several continents, Chairman of Harvard University’s sociology department, Pitirim Sorokin. found that virtually all political revolutions that brought about societal collapse were preceded by a sexual revolution in which marriage and family were devalued by the culture’s acceptance of homosexuality.

qapilot
Orem, UT

What is going on??? I thought this was America, where people were free to believe what they wished. Even those opposed to gay marriage 'rights' support the right of gay people to work, something the gay rights lobby would deny to Card.

Social liberals and the gay rights lobby is so full of shameless hypocrisy it is stunning. They talk about diversity being necessary and important (and they're right about that), but when it comes to diversity in family and parenting, women and mothers are suddenly dispensable (or, in lesbian couples, men and fathers are irrelevant). Are gay couples not allowed to be together already, even without 'marriage'? They have that right and choice. Yet they are twisting society's arm to condone their relationships, which would purposefully deny children a mother AND a father. NOTHING is said about the very real needs children have for a mother AND father.

PETA disapproves of meat eaters and leather users ... which includes most of us. That does not make them bigoted haters, and I see no one treating so. Why are those who oppose same-sex marriage treated so differently, being labelled as hateful bigots, just because they oppose something?

BCA
Murrieta, CA

For any who think that Card's anti-homosexual feelings are limited to the "pro-family" views of same-sex marriage, please read his infamous "The Hyprocrites of Homosexuality". This is the essay that but Card on the map as far as gays are concerned.

Big Bubba
Herriman, UT

Wow, if you take a stand against gay marriage you are automatically accused of spreading hateful and dangerous rhetoric. The gay lobby is basically saying you have NO religious rights and liberties when it comes to marriage. The only reason I oppose gay marriage is because my religion teaches that it is wrong. Thus it sounds like they are trying to limit my right to freedom of religious expression. This world is becoming a hostile place for traditional christians.

justamacguy
Manti, UT

I getting about fed up with the 2% kooks running the country. This country was founded on majority rule. Maybe it's time to remember that. People need to learn to live with the popular attitude and get over it. I can guarantee if you if I could impose some of my "minority" beliefs on you, you wouldn't like it.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@samhill;

His "only offense" isn't that he has a belief, it's that he's using his belief to try and force others who have different beliefs, to live by his beliefs. That is wrong.

@Oatmeal;

The simple fact of the matter is that we've finally started fighting back, and you don't like it.

@TheWalker;

Prove it. All you have is an opinion.

@aceroinox;

Working to restrict someone from the legal benefits you, yourself partake of is not "love and respect". Sorry, it just isn't.

@RockOn;

Are you talking about Mormons? It sure fits the facts.

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I used to read all of Card's books when they came out and I enjoyed them tremendously. I will never purchase or read another of his books though, nor attend the movies should they be made. I won't support his bigotry and discriminatory beliefs. That he has these beliefs isn't the problem, it's that he's trying to prevent law abiding Americans from partaking in the legal benefits he, himself enjoys. That is the very definition of hypocrisy.

Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

There's a troubling hypocrisy in accusing defenders of marriage as being haters and intolerant, particularly when the target is someone as tolerant and loving toward individuals of all flavors as is Mr. Card. The tactic of intentionally misrepresenting the views of those who defend traditional marriage says more about the attackers that it does those whom they target with their vitriol.

The comparison between sexual attraction and race is old, tired, and incorrect. The biology of sexual relations does not differ by race, it differs by sex. Gender roles do not differ by race, they differ by sex. Procreation is not a function of race, it is a function of sex.

The State cares about the well-being of children and the preservation of society. It doesn't care about whether two people love each other or are sexually attracted to each other. The legal burden is on gay folks who wish to enter into a contractual relationship with each other, because the State has no interest in gay unions.

peter
Alpine, UT

I don't oppose gay/lesbian/transgender people. I oppose their views/beliefs in non-Christian principles, which, sadly, too often go well beyond one's belief in marriage/relationships, as demonstrated by those spewing hatred toward Orson Card. I have a good friend who is transgender. We have many good discussions about every subject under the sun, without letting our differing points of view get in the way of our friendship.

Free Agency
Salt Lake City, UT

As a gay male I can tell you that this is *not* a matter of gays, and friends of gays, seeking to silence. bully or discriminate against anyone who doesn't approve of us. We respect everyone's right to simply say, "My personal and/or religious beliefs are such that I don't think homosexuality is right."

Card has gone much farther than that. He's continually used derogatory language toward gays, painting us with the usual brushstrokes of immoral, unhealthy and perverse.

Our demand of people like Card is not that they stop voicing their disapproval of us. It's that they stop using inflammatory language toward us.

For examples of what I mean, check out Card's entry on Wikipedia--and yes, there are references given for all his quotes.

Fred T
PHOENIX, AZ

So this is what the homosexuals (and liberals) mean by tolerance and diversity....

What they mean, clearly shown, is that you MUST agree with them or you are a bigot. Only people onboard with their idololgy 100% are deemed tolerant and diverse. Perhaps they should open a dictionary.

Allen
Salt Lake valley, UT

I think those who support OSC are wrong, and I think the GLBT folks are wrong, too. Both groups are wrong, because they both want government to regulate and make "right" their views. Many of the comments to this article want tolerance, but tolerance will never happen as long as government regulation of marriage exists. As long as government says one thing is right and anything else is wrong, people will use that as their excuse to be intolerant. Let's get rid of government interference in marriage, and then we can teach people to be tolerant of others.

RBB
Sandy, UT

Unfortunately, this is par for the course with people on the left. "If you disagree with my beliefs or my actions, you are a hate monger, and to prove my point I will spew hate to show that you are a hater." Those on the left only believe in free speech and free thought if you agree with them. Most people on the right are more willing to live and let live.

RBB
Sandy, UT

@ Henry Drummond - so it is bad if people opposed to homosexuality pass any law which has a negative impact on homosexuals, but it is ok for those advocating for homosexuality to pass laws that force people to accept the behavior. If the government has no business looking into your bedroom (which it does not), it also has no business telling you who you should rent to or who you should employ. You should not have the right to take away my freedoms to do what I want with my property because you want to do things I do not think are right.

amazondoc
USA, TN

@ChrisB -- you said: "What 'hateful and dangerous rhetoric' has he spread? Seriously--I'd like to know."

There isn't enough room within a 200 word post to document all the hateful/false/dangerous rhetoric that OSC has spread about gays.

OSC was my favorite author for years. I love his talent. BUT I have also heard him speak in person, and I have read many of his opinion pieces. And yes, IMHO "hateful" and "dangerous" are pretty accurate descriptions of some of his writings.

For heaven's sake, the man has even advocated overthrow of the government just because of gay marriage! He actually said -- and I'm quoting here -- that "marriage has only one definition, and any government that attempts to change it is my mortal enemy. I will act to destroy that government and bring it down", and he means to do that "by whatever means is made possible or necessary. . . .".

Notice he doesn't say "vote the bums out" or "impeach the crooks" -- this man is explicitly advocating insurrection against the duly elected federal government. Treason, revolution, call it what you will.

Yes, that is just one small example of his "hateful" and "DANGEROUS" rhetoric.

amazondoc
USA, TN

@Brentbot -- you said: "In fact, no society that has loosened sexual morality outside of man-woman marriage has survived."

Actually -- both ancient Rome and ancient Greece encouraged homosexual relations. Both societies survived for roughly 1000 years. That's a heckuva lot longer than *we* have been around.

ender2155
Cottonwood Heights, UT

OSC has had one good idea and has thrived off it for the past (almost) 30 years. He's a horrible comics writer, and I'm not sure why DC hired him in the first place. People are entitled to their own views, but people need to remember that this is the man who threatened to overthrow the government if they approved gay marriage, something I think anyone can agree is a bit extreme.

The Utah Republican
Alpine, UT

Remember when pretty much every boy in America read Superman, Batman, and Spiderman comics? Ever wonder why they don't anymore?

Rational
Salt Lake City, UT

justamacguy,

"majority rule" is a vast, vast oversimplification. In fact, your logic is just plain wrong. While laws are enacted by representatives chosen by the majority of their constituents, our governing document/law, the Constitution, guarantees protection of individual rights.

Many of the early settlers of America (like those on the Mayflower) were persecuted 2 percenters in their country, who came here looking for relief. Of course, they then persecuted those who didn't agree with them. Seems like that pattern is continually repeated.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"But at the same time I don't think this man should lose his job because of his beliefs. "

Rynn, he is not losing his job because of his believes. First of all, he was freelancing, he did not work for DC. they choose not to publish his story. I don't know if you know anything about the publishing industry, but nobody is forced to publish a story. Publishing houses can, and do, cancel projects, for any reason.

But that is really not even what happened here, from what I can gather, DC was planning on publishing Card's story, even after the controversy and petitions began (after all, there is no such thing as bad publicity, right?), but the artist working on the story decided to bail. And apparently he was under no contractual obligation to finish his art work. (You don't believe that the artist should be forced to provide art work do you?) So when the artist bailed, DC decided to go on with the anthology the story was supposed to be in without it.

Also DC is keeping the option open that they might find another artist.

curbee
North Las Vegas, NV

the lack of tolerance in the gay and lesbian activist groups is astonishing. whilst calling out what they perceive as hate, they are examples of the very thing they pretend to abhor.

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