Quantcast
Sports

Utah Jazz: Cavaliers break Jazz's hearts in Mo Williams' return

Comments

Return To Article
  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    March 7, 2013 4:43 p.m.

    @Dustin

    Big Al is not the answer...please...please...i beg you...watch him play...he wont take you to the promise land...he is a third option in a good team...i'd rather have Amir Johnson over him...i'll rather have Nikola Vucevic over him...heck i would rather have Jevale Mcgee over him...at least jevale is funny...

    here's my opinion...if the Jazz sign either Paul Millsap or Al Jefferson...trust me...either Favors or Kanter would bolt...Kanter is highley unlikely...but given a hefty contract...that we are not able to match...well...let's bid them farewell...now...we have a ton of cap space...and you need to plan for the future on this one...say 5-10 years...this offseason...Jeff Teague is a restricted free agent...we could offer a contract...Kenall Marshall...may be we could do a sign and trade with phx for him?...let him be the backup...if we cant sign teague..develop marshall...grab a starting PG for cheap...or let burks be the PG for a year...new coach...clearly..Corbin is lost...sign the core of the team..

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    March 7, 2013 4:33 p.m.

    @Sneaky Jimmy

    here are some coaches...not in any particular order....Nate Mcmillan took a depleted Portland team deep into the playoffs...Alvin Gentry despite having an old Nash was close to getting a playoff spot last year...think what he can do with four young guys with a high ceiling...Stan Van Gundy...the Ron Jeremy of the NBA...i just had to say it...Brian Shaw...mentored by Phil Jackson...have always wanted to be a coach...that hunger can turn into wins...Jerry Sloan...he may be the most predictable coach in the NBA...but...the guy wins games..even with a lineup of Starks Manning Marshall Gugliotta...all of whom...are way past their primes...he still manages to win games...although he really should defend the 3 more often to get over the hump...

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    March 7, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    @Dustin
    Here's my 2 cents (ok, I always blab away more than 2 cents worth)
    Corbin should be fired, but I place the blame on management for signing him to any contract beyond just the interim coach when Sloan resigned. So it's not Corbin's fault that management didn't let him prove himself before giving him a longer deal. Phil Johnson was the qualified coach on staff that was deserving of an extended contract but he always said he would leave when Sloan did and I guess he was true to his word.

    Next, Big Al not in the lineup is not why we lost last night. It was an ill advised 3 from Mo, and two terrible turnovers in the last 1 1/2 minutes that killed us. Even with that a layup missed that Mo will probably never miss again would have still won the game. Kanter and Favors have done what they needed to replace Al, and Millsap when he was out.

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    March 7, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    @Tators,
    Your comments about Corbin are spot on. I would add player development has been too slow. Without significant injuries to the guard line Burks would still be sitting on the bench. It also takes injuries to Jefferson and Millsap to get Favors and Kanter the minutes they should have been getting all year for the following reasons.

    1st- Jefferson and Millsap as our "go to guys" have not elevated this team in the rankings like Stockton and Malone, or even Boozer and D-Will. D-Will to this day misses the Jazz system!

    2nd- Most NBA guys in the know are saying the Jazz will let Jefferson and /or Millsap walk this summer. If so, why are they still the go to guys when Favors and Kanter are the future?

    We need to develop the core 4 and Carroll and Evans now and build around them with the cap space. Does this guarantee the Jazz will be better in the future? No guarantees at all, but you have to be in re-load mode all the time and be planning for the future. Corbin is sticking with the veterans too long.

  • Dustin Idaho Falls, ID
    March 7, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    I agree with Sneaky Jimmy. Firing Corbin is not an answer unless you have someone to replace him. I also agree with cbn11. Both Van Gundy boys would be great, but they need to be available, and willing. With Jefferson out, all the Al haters have nothing to say. Is it possible that we are realizing that he is valuable to the team? I certainly don't think we would have lost to Cleveland if Al had been there in the final minute. He is extremely consistent, and he is our closer for sure. I don't know if he is worth more than 15 million, and he will probably want more next year, so the Jazz have a decision to make. Watson and Tinsley should only be used for emergencies since we have several guys who can run the point. Favors still needs to convince me that he can use his head on offense. He gets so many dumb offensive fouls, it drives me crazy.

    Corbin's biggest problem is that there are too many players who are close to equal. It is hard to know who to play when they are all about the same.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    March 7, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    The reality is that Corbin has absolutely no all-star level talent on this entire team. Who can win with that?

    That being said he does own responsibility for using what he has and Marvin Williams minutes have been wasted for a long time. He has given much more than reasonable opportunity for this over-hyped under-performing talent to get it going. He can't. So bench him. Put someone on the floor that will give you at least some offense.

    The fact Marvin Williams still gets minutes over Carrol is mind boggling. Carrol can defend nearly as well and out hustles Marvin every second he is on the floor. It is a no-brainer to everyone watching the game but it seems beyond Corbins grasp.

    That tells you Corbin certainly has some culpability in these losses.

    Even though we would get smoked in the first round our young guys need to experience the playoffs and the intensity of that situation.

    Sure it would be great to be in the lottery but realistically it will be the bottom and I think the experience is probably worth more than the pick. We already have a ton of young guys.

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    March 7, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    @ sneaky Jimmy
    SVG comes to mind.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    March 7, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    I agree with B Russ. Corbin's rotation changes and substitutions, especially at the end of close games (that often turn into heartbreaking losses) make his coaching decisions quite questionable. He often seems to be an OK coach and is definitely a nice guy. But for the millions that NBA coaches are paid, more is and should be expected. The quality of coaching is why one good team makes it to the playoffs and another similarly talented team goes home.
    Corbin hadn't proven himself before he was given a contract extension. That one was on the front office. It's possible for an owner to be too loyal to a coach.
    The Jazz have shown too many times this year that they have the player talent and bench depth for them not to be consistently winning these close games against poor to mediocre teams. Besides making timely substitutions, coaches need to know how to motivate individual players and the team as a whole when needed. Objectively and subjectively, that often doesn't seem to be happening. I was a Corbin fan at first, but not so much as time goes on and weaknesses are becoming more exposed.

  • cbn11 Salt Lake, UT
    March 7, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    Sneaky Jimmy,

    Stan Van Gundy would be better than Corbin. Took a decent team to the finals....

  • cbn11 Salt Lake, UT
    March 7, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    If you look at the great NBA teams in the past and present, one common trend you will see is the teams play only 8, MAYBE 9 players throughout a game. The Jazz play at least 10 guys just about every game. Now that Mo is back, what happens when Jefferson comes back? Keep a 10-11 man rotation? I hope not. Coach Corbin needs to choose his 9 players. My proposed line-up:

    STARTERS: 1. Mo WIlliams 2. Randy Foye 3. DeMarre Carroll (and give him more than 14 minutes) 4. Paul Milsap 5. Al Jefferson

    BENCH: 6. Alec Burks 7. Gordon Hayward 8. Enes Kanter 9. Derrick Favors

    DESIGNATED TOWEL FAVERS: -Earl Watson - Jamaal Tinsley (possibly the best in the league) -Marvin Williams (he's a bust who should never play another minute) -Jeremy Evans -Kevin Murphy

    Granted many of you may have different line-ups but what do you think about only playing these 9?

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    March 7, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    True fact: Corbin may not be the best coach in the league but he isn't the worst. Who would you like to have to replace him?

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    March 7, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    @B Russ

    Foye single-handedly ended the 3rd quarter jinx the Jazz had going so you cant expect Corbin to leave him out the rest of the game. Fans cant be upset when they plead for 'playing the hot hand' then the hot hand doesnt make shots. That's not Corbin's fault. Monday's loss? Maybe Corbin's fault (for not subbing 4th quarter), but not last night.

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    March 7, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    When Burks went out and Foye came in there went your ball game. Cleveland goes on a 12-1 run. Thats really bad coaching.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    March 7, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    These two close losses were devastating. The Jazz have ten players with expiring contracts. You build around Favors and Kanter and Hayward and move on from there. With cap space from Jefferson of 15 mill and Millsap of 8 mill who wants more, they can go out and find a good point guard.

  • mdp Bountiful, utah
    March 7, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    I like Hayward (a lot), but he has to learn how to "stop and pop" and when to pass to real guards in crunch time- he forces it too often. He is NOT a Kantor/Favors among the big timber and he certainly is not a quick point guard. Every one of the Jazz's close losses involve one or two Hayward turnovers...just sayin.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    March 7, 2013 7:27 a.m.

    The Jazz pose as much of a real threat to the top teams in the West does as North Korea does to the US.

  • John Wicks Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2013 7:21 a.m.

    The Jazz won't even finish at 500 and will not make the playoffs.

  • Jazzledazzle Provo, UT
    March 7, 2013 6:30 a.m.

    I was as ticked as any Jazz fan after the Jazz choked this one away. Keep in mind:

    -This season isn't going anywhere anyway. Even in the playoffs, they will likely be swept.

    -Burks, Hayward, Favors and Kanter are playing well. That bodes well for next year.

    -Corbin is not perfect, but he is a good coach. His out of bounds plays are among the best. His system is similar so Jerry's. He needs work on his rotations, but X and O he is pretty good. I think he messed up the Milwaukee game by not subbing in the 3rd quarter before the Jazz were down 12. All in all he is a good coach, and a coach does not turn the ball over, miss free throws, and take inexplicable shots.

    Hard game to swallow. I think this last week and a half has cost the Jazz the playoffs. Just hoping to see our future guys continue to get better.

  • barakoboi Layton, UT
    March 7, 2013 4:22 a.m.

    Fortydam you are the one who cracks me up...you don't understand the coaching of the squad. Winnable close games but inept coaching by Corbin. He doesn't the idea of substituting for offensive and defensive situation!

  • John Wicks Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2013 3:39 a.m.

    What a bunch of choke artists!!!

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    March 7, 2013 1:27 a.m.

    @amgolfer

    Nice breakdown on what needs to be done with the Jazz. Two additional players I want the Jazz to hang on to are: Jeremy Evans and Demarre Carroll.

    Carroll starting in place of Marvin Williams is no-brainer. He's just just a lot more productive than Williams and is only going to get better.

    Jeremy Evans (once Millsap is gone) is going to really start to shine in the Jazz rotation. I too, believe that Jefferson is the player the Jazz should try to keep. If that doesn't happen, at least we will still have Evans in the fold. I just hope he adds a few more pounds of muscle before next season.

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    March 7, 2013 1:08 a.m.

    Coach,good idea starting Carroll, but why just make him a token starter and then sit on the bench all night. Marvin Williams went scoreless again but still spent more time on the floor than Carroll. At this point in the season Marvin Williams should be getting minutes behind Evans, and nothing more. It was not a bad move trading Harris for Marvin because he was an incredible talent in college and a change in scene from Atlanta to Utah could have been a good thing. We took a shot, but it didn't work. It's a mistake to keep compounding the mistake though by playing him over other players. Carroll, Hayward, Millsap and even Evans can man the small forward position just fine, so just shut Marvin down unless its an emergency. I do think Mo Williams is going to make the team better but he's still a little rusty. Kanter has been amazing. Coach, please don't cut his minutes when Jefferson comes back.

  • LVJazzFan Glendale, AZ
    March 7, 2013 12:50 a.m.

    amgofer
    1) Corbin is doing his best on a team that can't produce the same starting five due to injuries since the beginning of the season.
    2) Corbin benched Ma. Williams. Demarre started tonight. On paper (and maybe in practice?) Ma. Williams is a beast.
    3) Hayward will be a starter for this team, but right now he comes off the bench a provides a needed spark. If Milsap would be willing to do that for this team we would be in better shape.
    4) Agreed. Houston just signed Aaron Brooks for the remainder of the season and we don't have one starting PG on this team. Speaks volumes about the front office.
    5) Agreed
    6) Both Favors and Kanter need more minutes. A.J. getting hurt is a blessing in disguise for this team - but I wish no ill to AJ.
    7) Remember, Favors is only 21, in 4 years he could be the most dominant player in the league. It is too early to tell. Bigs take longer to develop.
    8) Trade deadline passed a couple weeks ago.

  • amgolfer Malibu, CA
    March 6, 2013 11:09 p.m.

    Fortydam,

    No is wasn't Corbin's fault but we have to look at the bigger picture here. BTW two years ago there were tons of comments and now I'm the 3rd one? Says something...think about it.

    1. Corbin does need to go and I speak collectively, not one game. His rotations are horrible.
    2. Marvin Williams is NOT a starter--he's not that good.
    3. Hayward is a STARTER and the future for the Jazz--mark it.
    4. Mo Will is NOT a true PG (we need a change)
    5. Foye is an awesome bench player (want him back as he spreads the offense--just love it)
    6. Kanter needs MORE minutes
    7. Favors is learning and I will NOT give up on him. He will be fine.
    8. Milsap needs to be dealt (if possible) as he will not return.
    9. We can win w/out Jefferson (I do like him though). Kanter and Favors are the future.
    10. Burks is great and will only get better.

    We have issues that need addressed and the coach will always get blamed--FACT..

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    March 6, 2013 10:50 p.m.

    You crack me up! Millsap misses a free throw, (the team misses a bunch) and its Corbin that lost that Buck game. Tonight Mo misses a layup and Corbin is out coached.

  • Tiberias Orem, UT
    March 6, 2013 10:14 p.m.

    Ty Corbin outcoached again.