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Published: Tuesday, March 5 2013 4:03 p.m. MST

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Let show up Utes. Pack the house these last 2 games. To have assemebled a team from scratch 2 years ago in a power conferene and to have taken a top 10 team down to the wire twice this season, among other close games(both wins and losses), I'm thrilled with the upward movement of this program.

Coach K has my support. Show up Utes. Let's sell this thing out!

Down under
Pullman, WA

Great headline. "Battling for last place in the tourney"
Wow what an accomplishment. Not to worry though, Utah still has BCS membership.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@Down Under

Any 3rd place team in a non-power conference would JUMP at the chance to be the 3rd to last team in a power conference.

Wookie
Omaha, NE

Go UTES!! Yes, it is sad that they are battling for last place in the tourney if you are an outsider looking in, or are just plain ignorant. However, I am proud of coach K and his program. They are progressing each year thus far and I don't see why this trend won't continue. Anyway, make some noise, even if it is small.

LindonMan
Lindon, UT

No 10 in the PAC. Now that's something to be proud of!

Ute buster
Pacific Northwest, WA

The top 7 teams in the WCC would wipe the floor with Utah so no need to settle for 10th place in a so-called power conference.

It used to be considered a power conference until a few years ago. Not so much anymore, especially when you add weak teams. Just because it was once a great conference does not mean that it is now.

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Only thing worse than Ute Football is Ute basketball......so 10th place in the pac 12 makes you what 372 in the nation? Barbara Steisand and Dustin Hoffman would be so proud

street11
Heber, UT

Utah should be embarrassed about this. A fantastic program simply gone to the bottom. I don't care what conference. Big Sky, WCC, or PAC 12 you should be able to compete in any conference if we truly believe that our in state programs are as good as they are.

Down under
Pacific Northwest, WA

CRISSY,
Name one! By the way does your power conference have a #1 team? I have watched, in person, many of the PAC 10 teams play and two of the .2 teams play this year. Believe me, they are not that great. None of them deserve a ranking, especially Arizona. They got some early cupcake wins. UCLA is pretty bad as well. The only reason there are three teams in the top 25 is because they play bad teams, like Utah.
I agree with Ute Buster. The PAC 10.2 is not longer a power conference.

Whatsnu
Sandy, UT

"Utes, Beavers battle for No. 10 spot in Pac-12 tourney"

Slight typo there.

What the headline should have said was...

"#182 Utes and #185 Beavers pillow fight to stay ahead of the #194 Cougars and avoid the PAC 10.2 basement"

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Down under

Arizona's RPI is ranked 13th (Gonzaga is 11th). Also, Arizona beat Southern Miss, Florida, Miami, SDSU, and Colorado. Clearly you're still bitter towards the PAC-12, but that is no reason to say outlandish things.

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

2fer

When it comes to Top 25 rankings, AP and Coaches Polls ALWAYS trump RPI.

Check any Sportscast - ESPN, FOX, CBS - when they cite rankings, they NEVER cite RPI

#1 Gonzaga > #18 Arizona

Gonzaga beat #9 Kansas State, #13 Oklahoma State, and #23 Saint Mary's (twice)

Arizona beat #6 Miami and #11 Florida

Gonzaga is projected as a #1 seed

Arizona is projected as a #5 seed

Big Advantage Gonzaga - in fact, it's not even close.

Clearly you're just bitter that the PAC 10.2 is being overshadowed by the WCC.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

For those touting the WCC as better than the PAC-12, pay close attention to how many teams get invited to the NCAA Tourney this year. And remember, this is the same measuring stick you all bragged about last year even though it was obviously a once in 30 years anomaly that the WCC finished with more teams in the tourney. You may want to pay attention to how many get an NIT invite as well.
Lets all be honest, the WCC has Gonzaga. And that's it.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

motorbike

Top to bottom the PAC is better than the WCC, but the best team in the WCC is much better than the best team in the PAC.

Of course that really doesn't matter to U, since you'd be a bottom dweller in the WCC, just like you are in the PAC.

The real kick in the gut to arrogant Utah fans is Gonzaga is proving that you don't have to be in a "power" conference in order to be the #1 team in the country.

Even in a down year for BYU, the Cougars would still be in the upper half of the PAC. Meanwhile, Utah, battling WSU and OSU to stay out of the PAC basement, would be in the bottom third of the WCC.

PAC
#13 Ariz
#29 Col
#31 UCLA
#45 Cal
#49 Ore
#61 BYU

#69 Stan
#81 Wash
#88 USC
#92 ASU

#182 Utah
#185 OSU
#194 WSU

WCC
#11 Gonzaga
#41 Saint Mary's
#61 BYU

#89 Santa Clara
#153 Ssn Fran
#181 San Diego

#182 Utah
#203 Pepperdine
#220 Portland
#253 Loyola Marymount

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@phoenix

The real kick in the gut to arrogant Utah fans is Gonzaga is proving that you don't have to be in a "power" conference in order to be the #1 team in the country.

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That proves diddly, just like 1984.

Unlike 1984, Gonzaga will have a chance prove that for the FIRST time a non-power conference deserves to be a National Champion.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

phoenix, what gives you the impression BYU would be in the top 6 in the PAC-12 when they haven't proven they can beat anyone as good as #8 USC? Opinion? Well my opinion is that Utah would have a top 100 RPI if they played in the WCC, too.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Phoenix,

The reality is that BYU hasn't proved it can do anything against top 100 teams this year. Based on that, there's no reason to believe they'd have finished any higher than Utah did in the PAC-12 race. The difference in rating stems a heckuva lot more to do with the amount of top 100 games Utah played versus how many BYU played.
Face it, BYU is very comparable to the rebuilding Utes this year, both teams are pretty lousy.
As for Gonzaga being #1, good for them. And like Gonzaga, Utah has had its share of proving that the little conf teams can do big things, so you really don't need to convince anyone of that. What you need to convince us of is that the WCC can consistently place more than one or two teams in the big dance.

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Uteology

Actually, it proves a lot.

It proves that despite all of the arrogant PAC is BETTER than the WCC smack, a team from the WCC can achieve ANYTHING a team from the PAC can achievement.

Individual teams are judged by what they accomplish, not by what their conference accomplishes.

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StGtoSLC

"phoenix, what gives you the impression BYU would be in the top 6 in the PAC-12 when they haven't proven they can beat anyone as good as #8 USC?..."

BYU's RPI suggests that's exactly where BYU would be, and, BYU proved that they were good enough to hang with #1 Gonzaga.

"...my opinion is that Utah would have a top 100 RPI if they played in the WCC, too."

It's funny how Utah fans only remember Utah's wins, while completely forgetting, or intentionally ignoring, Utah's losses.

It's very likely that a team that lost to #186 OSU, #194 WSU, #226 SMU, #247 CS Northridge, and #287 Sac St, would also lose to the bottom dwellers of the WCC - #201 Pepperdine, #218 Portland, and #251 LMU - and finish at the bottom of the WCC, just like U finished at the bottom of the PAC.

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

motorbike

@Phoenix

"The reality is that BYU hasn't proved it can do anything against top 100 teams this year."

Nope, the reality is that BYU has beaten FIVE RPI Top 100 teams - #89 Santa Clara (twice), #94 Weber State, #96 Utah State, and #99 Montana - and came within an eyelash of beating #40 Saint Mary's (lost 69-70 on a desperation half-court shot at the buzzer) and #11 Gonzaga (trailed 62-63 with only 46 sec left, before losing 65-70).

"Face it, BYU is very comparable to the rebuilding Utes this year..."

LOL at your hyperbole.

The only similarity between the two teams is they're both going through rebuilding years.

In BYU's case, that means a #61 RPI, 20+ win season, and an NIT/NCAA berth.

In Utah's case, that means a #182 RPI, 9 wins versus D-1 opponents, and a first-round exit from the PAC 10.2 tourney.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

StGtoSLC

"Well my opinion is that Utah would have a top 100 RPI if they played in the WCC, too."

I'm laughing at the sheer incongruity of that opinion.

RPI already measures your record against your SOS, so a better record against a weaker schedule would still give you the exact same #182 RPI that you currently have.

The Utes are only 5-5 versus RPI 150+ teams, so what makes you think that the Utes would be doing any better in the WCC, than they are in the PAC?

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