Hypothetically, my Utes have a D-1 basketball team.
motorbike, it's just funny to throw a hypothetical out there and watch them
swarm to it. My work is done today.
CFIT,You seem like a nice guy, I'm gonna help you out. In 1989
Loyola averaged 112.5 points per game, Gathers 32.7 and Bo Kimble 16.8 for a
total of 49.5. Is there one other player from that team that averaged 11.5 ppg
CFIT,You also predicted Haws, Davies and Carlino would average 60
ppg this year. How's that one going? When has any Cougar team
accomplished this feat? Can you name ANY college team that has don it? This demonstrates you really don't know college basketball like you
think you do.
U90 - Before your first tip, I predicted a 12 win season. You can go back and
look. How'd I do?
motorbike"... if they knew their team was so-o-o much better,
would they be on this comment thread in the first place?"Of
course they would! Watching the Utes wallow in self pity is great sport.
Call this game the toilet bowl and get a little more money for the Pac 12 by
having it sponsored by Kohler.All kidding aside, I hope the Utes are
able to secure the 10th seed for the tournament. As for all the
discussion which team would do better in which conference. Its the same as
asking how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop, the world
may never know.
I have great news, CougFaninTX is predicting a grim future for Utah basketball.
When he makes basketball prognostications the opposite tends to happen. That
seals it... the Utes will continue to improve under coach LK. Thank you CFIT
I have to say . . . I don't get it. @Chris B - "Coach K
has my support." For starters, Coach K is at Duke. Coach
Krystkowiak has never referred to himself as Coach K. Second, Coach
Kystkowiak's best year is worse than Boylen's worst year. Two losing
seasons, even with cupcakes for non-conference games and U have hope?I don't see any hope in sight. U are losing 3 or your 4 best players for
next year. There is nobody of Loveridge's caliber coming in.
Unfortunatly, next year is likely to be more of the same. Just be glad
you're not in the MWC, where the results would be even worse. MWC is a
power conference this year, the PAC is not.
StGtoSLC,You're making way too much sense for these folks. I
vote we just allow our cougar friends to keep thinking their team would've
fared so much better than Utah in this years Pac-12 - it's much easier than
trying to help them see the truth. Food for thought though, if they knew
their team was so-o-o much better, would they be on this comment thread in the
first place? Those that have less to prove, should have less to say.
" ........ We could call this the Cellar Bowl!..... "How
about the Celery Bowl?? lol.
Regardless of how hard the kids on the hill try to rationalize the near final
results,#60 RPI, 21-10, NCAA/NIT tournament boundis
still MUCH, MUCH BETTER than#182 RPI, 11-17, near certain 1st round
conference exitGood luck on securing that all important 10th spot in
the conference tourney ;-)
StGtoSLCUnlike Utah, BYU didn't play .500 ball with RPI 150+
teams.BYU's record against such teams: 14-2 (88%)Utah's record against such teams: 5-5 (50%)BYU didn't
prove they could beat RPI Top 50 teams, even though they came close, but the
Cougars also didn't prove that they could lose to RPI 200+ teams.Utah beat two RPI Top 50 teams, but LOST to THREE RPI 200+ teams; in other
words, the statistics show that Utah is more likely to lose to an RPI 200+ team,
than to beat a Top 50 RPI team.Current RPI rankings are evidence
enough that BYU is capable of finishing in the upper half of the PAC.Current RPI rankings are evidence enough that Utah is capable of finishing in
the bottom third of the WCC.Sorry, if facts get in the way of your
Too bad they arent playing for eleventh. We could call this the Cellar Bowl!
Get used to it u. you are losing three starters and best players so you can
continue the rebuilding jibe for another decade or so!
skywalker: "BYU proved that they were good enough to hang with #1
Gonzaga."Who cares who they can "hang with" if they
can't beat anybody that's any good? Does that mean that Utah's
"hanging with" Arizona, UCLA, Cal and Colorado means something to you
now?SportsFan: "RPI already measures your record against your
SOS"Yes, but the W/L record obviously has much more weight on
it, as could be seen when Utah had a good record, they were top 100, and even
when losing teams they were "supposed to" lose to by narrower margins
than expected still dropped."so what makes you think that the
Utes would be doing any better in the WCC, than they are in the PAC?"The same thing that makes BYU fans think they could finish in the top
half of the PAC: opinion. They haven't shown they can beat anybody with as
high of an RPI as USC, so why would they in a different conference? Utah has
shown they can beat tournament quality teams, so why wouldn't they in a
Hey all you BYU commenters, don't be mixing facts in with our pipe dreams
here in East Salt Lake. Since when do realities have anything to do with our
fantasies? If we're happy being the laughing stock of the PAC 10+2 and
we've convinced ourselves that we're anything more than the headline
of this article suggests why do you have to go rain on our parade?I'm with Chris B., let's break this season's attendance record
at the HC and get at least a high school sized audience in there so that game
time photos won't appear to be taken during the morning shoot around, with
most of the bottom row seats vacant.I also want to add my kudos to
those of other Ute fans here for Coach K. He's doing wonderful things for
Duke University. Keep up the good work Mike!
UteologyGotta love the delusional escape into fantasy land.Ignoring your meaningless conference smack, Utah scheduled the absolutely
worst pre-season schedule they could muster, yet even with a year and a half to
recruit in Utah's latest rebuilding effort, the Utes were only able to win
NINE games versus D-1 opponents and will have to beat OSU tomorrow night just to
finish a game better in conference than Utah's worst season ever.Unlike football, it doesn't take 3 or 4 recruiting classes to rebuild;
rebuilding can be done in only 1 or 2 recruiting classes, which Krysko has
had.And let's not forget, 3 of Utah's best players are
seniors, hardly the "new" crop of players you're using as a
convenient excuse for another failed season.Of Utah's 6 players
who are averaging 18 minutes or more - DuBois, Washburn, Loveridge, Taylor,
Dean, and Martin - 3 seniors, 1 junior, 2 freshmen.Of BYU's 6
players who are averaging 18 minutes or more - Davies, Haws, Zilstra, Carlino,
Sharp, and Cusick - 3 seniors, 3 sophomores.As you can see, the
disparity in experienced key players simply doesn't exist.BYU
has four freshmen on its roster; Utah has five. Big deal!
@skywalkerThe only similarity between the two teams is they're both
going through rebuilding years.-----------Nope. Utah is
"rebuilding the program" with 11 new players this year. They were
picked to finish 12th in the PAC-12.BYU was picked to finish #2 in
the WCC. Is finishing #3 in a two team conference rebuilding?
StGtoSLC"Well my opinion is that Utah would have a top 100 RPI
if they played in the WCC, too."I'm laughing at the sheer
incongruity of that opinion.RPI already measures your record against
your SOS, so a better record against a weaker schedule would still give you the
exact same #182 RPI that you currently have.The Utes are only 5-5
versus RPI 150+ teams, so what makes you think that the Utes would be doing any
better in the WCC, than they are in the PAC?
motorbike@Phoenix"The reality is that BYU
hasn't proved it can do anything against top 100 teams this year."Nope, the reality is that BYU has beaten FIVE RPI Top 100 teams - #89
Santa Clara (twice), #94 Weber State, #96 Utah State, and #99 Montana - and came
within an eyelash of beating #40 Saint Mary's (lost 69-70 on a desperation
half-court shot at the buzzer) and #11 Gonzaga (trailed 62-63 with only 46 sec
left, before losing 65-70)."Face it, BYU is very comparable to
the rebuilding Utes this year..."LOL at your hyperbole. The only similarity between the two teams is they're both going
through rebuilding years.In BYU's case, that means a #61 RPI,
20+ win season, and an NIT/NCAA berth.In Utah's case, that
means a #182 RPI, 9 wins versus D-1 opponents, and a first-round exit from the
PAC 10.2 tourney.
UteologyActually, it proves a lot.It proves that despite
all of the arrogant PAC is BETTER than the WCC smack, a team from the WCC can
achieve ANYTHING a team from the PAC can achievement.Individual
teams are judged by what they accomplish, not by what their conference
what gives you the impression BYU would be in the top 6 in the PAC-12 when they
haven't proven they can beat anyone as good as #8 USC?..."BYU's RPI suggests that's exactly where BYU would be, and, BYU
proved that they were good enough to hang with #1 Gonzaga."...my
opinion is that Utah would have a top 100 RPI if they played in the WCC,
too."It's funny how Utah fans only remember Utah's
wins, while completely forgetting, or intentionally ignoring, Utah's
losses. It's very likely that a team that lost to #186 OSU,
#194 WSU, #226 SMU, #247 CS Northridge, and #287 Sac St, would also lose to the
bottom dwellers of the WCC - #201 Pepperdine, #218 Portland, and #251 LMU - and
finish at the bottom of the WCC, just like U finished at the bottom of the PAC.
Phoenix,The reality is that BYU hasn't proved it can do
anything against top 100 teams this year. Based on that, there's no reason
to believe they'd have finished any higher than Utah did in the PAC-12
race. The difference in rating stems a heckuva lot more to do with the amount of
top 100 games Utah played versus how many BYU played.Face it, BYU is very
comparable to the rebuilding Utes this year, both teams are pretty lousy. As for Gonzaga being #1, good for them. And like Gonzaga, Utah has had its
share of proving that the little conf teams can do big things, so you really
don't need to convince anyone of that. What you need to convince us of is
that the WCC can consistently place more than one or two teams in the big dance.
phoenix, what gives you the impression BYU would be in the top 6 in the PAC-12
when they haven't proven they can beat anyone as good as #8 USC? Opinion?
Well my opinion is that Utah would have a top 100 RPI if they played in the WCC,
@phoenixThe real kick in the gut to arrogant Utah fans is Gonzaga is
proving that you don't have to be in a "power" conference in order
to be the #1 team in the country.---------That proves
diddly, just like 1984.Unlike 1984, Gonzaga will have a chance prove
that for the FIRST time a non-power conference deserves to be a National
motorbikeTop to bottom the PAC is better than the WCC, but the best
team in the WCC is much better than the best team in the PAC.Of
course that really doesn't matter to U, since you'd be a bottom
dweller in the WCC, just like you are in the PAC.The real kick in
the gut to arrogant Utah fans is Gonzaga is proving that you don't have to
be in a "power" conference in order to be the #1 team in the country.Even in a down year for BYU, the Cougars would still be in the upper
half of the PAC. Meanwhile, Utah, battling WSU and OSU to stay out of the PAC
basement, would be in the bottom third of the WCC.PAC#13
Ariz#29 Col#31 UCLA#45 Cal#49 Ore#61 BYU#69 Stan#81 Wash#88 USC#92 ASU#182 Utah#185 OSU#194 WSUWCC#11 Gonzaga#41 Saint
Mary's#61 BYU#89 Santa Clara#153 Ssn Fran#181
San Diego#182 Utah#203 Pepperdine#220 Portland#253
For those touting the WCC as better than the PAC-12, pay close attention to how
many teams get invited to the NCAA Tourney this year. And remember, this is the
same measuring stick you all bragged about last year even though it was
obviously a once in 30 years anomaly that the WCC finished with more teams in
the tourney. You may want to pay attention to how many get an NIT invite as
well.Lets all be honest, the WCC has Gonzaga. And that's it.
2ferWhen it comes to Top 25 rankings, AP and Coaches Polls ALWAYS
trump RPI.Check any Sportscast - ESPN, FOX, CBS - when they cite
rankings, they NEVER cite RPI#1 Gonzaga > #18 ArizonaGonzaga beat #9 Kansas State, #13 Oklahoma State, and #23 Saint Mary's
(twice)Arizona beat #6 Miami and #11 FloridaGonzaga is
projected as a #1 seedArizona is projected as a #5 seedBig Advantage Gonzaga - in fact, it's not even close.Clearly
you're just bitter that the PAC 10.2 is being overshadowed by the WCC.
@ Down underArizona's RPI is ranked 13th (Gonzaga is 11th).
Also, Arizona beat Southern Miss, Florida, Miami, SDSU, and Colorado. Clearly
you're still bitter towards the PAC-12, but that is no reason to say
"Utes, Beavers battle for No. 10 spot in Pac-12 tourney"Slight typo there.What the headline should have said was..."#182 Utes and #185 Beavers pillow fight to stay ahead of the #194
Cougars and avoid the PAC 10.2 basement"
CRISSY,Name one! By the way does your power conference have a #1 team? I
have watched, in person, many of the PAC 10 teams play and two of the .2 teams
play this year. Believe me, they are not that great. None of them deserve a
ranking, especially Arizona. They got some early cupcake wins. UCLA is pretty
bad as well. The only reason there are three teams in the top 25 is because
they play bad teams, like Utah.I agree with Ute Buster. The PAC 10.2 is
not longer a power conference.
Utah should be embarrassed about this. A fantastic program simply gone to the
bottom. I don't care what conference. Big Sky, WCC, or PAC 12 you should be
able to compete in any conference if we truly believe that our in state programs
are as good as they are.
Only thing worse than Ute Football is Ute basketball......so 10th place in the
pac 12 makes you what 372 in the nation? Barbara Steisand and Dustin Hoffman
would be so proud
The top 7 teams in the WCC would wipe the floor with Utah so no need to settle
for 10th place in a so-called power conference. It used to be
considered a power conference until a few years ago. Not so much anymore,
especially when you add weak teams. Just because it was once a great conference
does not mean that it is now.
No 10 in the PAC. Now that's something to be proud of!
Go UTES!! Yes, it is sad that they are battling for last place in the tourney
if you are an outsider looking in, or are just plain ignorant. However, I am
proud of coach K and his program. They are progressing each year thus far and I
don't see why this trend won't continue. Anyway, make some noise,
even if it is small.
@Down UnderAny 3rd place team in a non-power conference would JUMP
at the chance to be the 3rd to last team in a power conference.
Great headline. "Battling for last place in the tourney"Wow what
an accomplishment. Not to worry though, Utah still has BCS membership.
Let show up Utes. Pack the house these last 2 games. To have assemebled a team
from scratch 2 years ago in a power conferene and to have taken a top 10 team
down to the wire twice this season, among other close games(both wins and
losses), I'm thrilled with the upward movement of this program.Coach K has my support. Show up Utes. Let's sell this thing out!