Chris BSide note: When a guy spends every waking minute in his
mom's basement glued to her computer typing derogatory comments about a
college ball club it speaks volumes about his social life.
I wish Jake luck and hope he has a great two years but he is playing for Kansas
and I am afraid it is going to be a bitter disappointment for him.
I love "Ronald" and 'Patriot"....and others who comment on
Heaps playing this year. He has his name there so he feels good. There is
another kid who was there last year who will walk all over the Heapster.
Count your 10% on it!
christySo when a guy leaves Program Y to go to Program K, what
volumes does that speak about the program he left?For example, QB H
was a highly-coveted quarterback in high school, with some sites ranking him
among the top five in the nation. With QB R locking up the starting job last
season, it should come as no surprise that QB M felt that he needed to leave the
program to get time on the field.Program Y = Notre DameProgram
K = TBDQB H = Gunner KielQB M = Everett Golson and/or Tommy ReesSometimes things just don't work out.
So what? Jake Heaps head was so big as a freshman that his soph year could not
have been more predictable as a bust. His pre-BYU press conference stating that
he was going to the Y was an indicator that it was all about him.Throwing in the inexperienced Brandon Doman and you had a recipe ripe for
disaster. Heaps should have re-shirted his freshman year and been given time
for the offensive coordinator to build an offense with him and his strengths in
mind. That would have made Heaps successful at the Y. But as I said, it was
all about him. Not the team.
re:Tom in CAHeaps left because he was benched over an inferior Reily
Nelson and because he didn't fit the run and boot Doman offense. If he were
my son I would have told him to leave too. Now he gets a fresh start at a Big12
BCS school and is currently on top of the depth chart. BYU lost out BIG TIME.
I’m a Jake Heaps fan.I hope he get a Heisman Trophy this year with
Kansas. I hope to watch as many of hisgames as possible. I think the
wrong person(s) transfered. I wish Heaps would have stayedand those not
capable of developing him would have been the one(s) to transfer.
By the way - it wasn't the BYU coaching staff who caused Heaps to bail.
Heaps left on his own accord for "greener pastures". So put the blame
where it belongs.
Good luck to Jake Heaps, I hope he does great at Kansas.
re:SteveOrr4576As I recall there seemed to be some "rumored"
hard feelings when Robert Anae left for Arizona but I may be wrong. What I do
know is that Jake was growing fast under the Anae offense which consisted of the
wide splits on the O-line and a precision offensive scheme which Beck, Hall and
Heaps flourished under. Heaps is a drop back passer as was Beck and Hall and
that is why all three jelled under the Anae offense. When Jake was thrown into
the Domain offense he was upside down and never got the hang of it. Jake
wasn't a read-option type QB as Doman wanted and trying to force that was a
disaster. Jake has a great arm and at nearly 6'3" he is prime for the
NFL if he has a couple of good years at Kansas in the Big12. He will certainly
get the exposure opportunities.
There are practice phenoms, then there are playing phenoms. At BYU, we saw which
one Jake was. He wasn't both.He's a nice kid, and deserves
to succeed. But, until he matures enough to become also a playing phenom (if
that's possible), he won't be their starter for long.Maybe
BYU can get his team scheduled before he's done playing there. That'd
Finally a Y player gets to play in the Big XII.
Chris BSalt Lake City, UTI hope Heaps lights it up this year. With a
quality coach and with BCS quality teammates around him, even a 1-11 Kansas team
is a significant from his prior team.---Just curious
about the logic here. So, before Utah was invited, how was it that they were
able to compete without BCS talent? Because they were invited, are they now
competing with BCS talent? Was KWhitt magically transformed overnight into a BCS
quality coach? What, is that done with a wand, or some sort of secret ceremony?
Is Jake now a BCS quality QB because he is at a BCS school?Has
moving to a BCS conference improved the quality of Utah's basketball
team?I think three letters (BCS) have exacerbated the delusions on
the hill. Maybe it's better for those kids like Chris. Maybe thinking
you're better will make you better. Not going to a bowl, or any post-season
tourneys leaves me wondering...---I wish Jake the best.
He's a great kid and was fun to watch.
patriot"Heaps would have been the top QB at the Y had Anae not
left."For once we agree, although I think Anae left on his own
accord.Heaps' biggest issues were lack of competitiveness and
not learning how to read defenses.The play that will always
epitomize Jake's career at BYU was the pick six he threw at Ole' Miss;
the ball was intercepted near the goal line and Heaps was near the 20-yard line,
yet Jake didn't make any attempt whatsoever to try to tackle the
interceptor. Young, McMahon, Detmer, Nelson, Sarkisian would have done
everything they could to make sure that defender didn't return one of their
passes for a TD. Jake just stood there and did NOTHING!I'll
keep tabs on Jake and be happy for him if he does well, but it was his choice to
stay or leave. Maybe he's matured during his redshirt year at Kansas and
he's grown more competitive, but to me, leaving, instead of staying and
fighting to win back his starting QB job, was just another sign of Jake's a
lack of competitiveness.
I can guarantee that Mendenhall will not put up with a lack of guts, and
that's what Jake displayed at THAT time. Perhaps, he has developed some
intestinal fortitude. Once Jake stepped out of the way of the deep six
interceptor his fate was cast. Then, when you don't get the guys together
for summer workouts, what do you expect? I think he read too much
in his own headlines! As I said, nobody wanted him to succeed more than I did.
His good qualities are that he throws a very good ball. Great
velocity and pretty accurate. The problem was that he was like a
baseball pitcher with a 100 mph fastball and that's all he threw. If you
watch the old film you'll see there was a ton of dropped passes because he
was throwing 90 mph at 10 yards! Also, he wasn't that adept at reading the
defense. Now, these could be corrected if he hadn't quit. If
you quit you can't win!
patriot - Anae decided to leave on his own.But it would be
interesting to see what Anae thought of the QB situation. I've read rumors
that he was pulling for Heaps. I've read just as many rumors that he was
pulling for Riley.
Heaps only STARTED nine games as a freshman. He was 6-3 as a starter that year.
He also started 6 games as a sophomore, and was 4-2 with losses at Utah and
Texas. While he didn't complete the USU game, he did start it and BYU won.
In baseball, a win is a win if the pitcher goes five innings and Heaps did lead
BYU to two scores. If anyone wants to fuss over that, then they also need to
remember, Nelson came in cold against I believe Idaho and won that game 42-7.
He left BYU as a guy who had a 13-6 lifetime record as a starter for BYU which
is frankly, not bad given his career began as a true freshman, not a junior or
RS sophomore like most prior starters at BYU.
Does anyone remember Daniel Bobik? The kid who transferred from BYU to play
basketball at Oklahoma State who subsequently helped his team to the Final Four
(after losing to BYU that year..). I was happy when Bobik left so I didn't
have to watch him chunk up threes left and right, but I was even happier when he
found a place where he fit and found high levels of success. I honestly hope
Jake Heaps turns out like this. From everything I've heard, from people
who actually know, he's a nice kid, has amazing talent, but for whatever
reason didn't fit at BYU. People can cite his work ethic and heart, and
there's probably some truth to that, but at this point, it's like a
bad divorce and the past just doesn't really matter, I only hope the best
for both parties. Good luck Heaps, and take it to the Longhorns! And DesNews, please, enough on Heaps, if I want to know, I'll go look at
the Kansas website.
Heaps would have been the top QB at the Y had Anae not left. Now we have Anae
back but no Heaps. This was a huge mistake by Bronco getting rid of Anae and
experimenting with Doman. Jake will be really good for Kansas as he was for BYU
Jake has more fans in his corner at Cougar Nation than he can imagine. To my
recollection, he left the program without ever trashing the BYU coaching staff
or the program. He is more than a football player, he is an ambassador for the
Church, and a good kid. I wish him the very best.
There were definitely mistakes by out coaching staff with managing JH. I do wish
him the best and think he has great potential to succeed. I'm not bitter in
the fact he made the decision to leave. Obviously he struggled early in his
sophomore year. Was it all his fault? Absolutely not. I would have loved to see
him fight through his demotion and come out better for it. What was 100% his
fault, was the decision to quit instead of fight through a tough situation. That
is why I'm not bitter. No matter how many stars, I prefer having a tougher
individual (with skills) lead my team.
The funniest reply to appear on the DesNews in response to the daily recycled
Christy B comedy in a long time:"You can really relate to the
1-11 stay-at-home-for-ALL-the-bowls experience, can't you?"Well done 2smart4u, well done.
I can't believe that the BYU coaching staff (Bronco and Doman) would allow
Jake Heaps, a top recruit, to ride the bench behind Captain Chaos (R. Nelson)
and eventually leave the program. Okay, Heaps may have not preformed the best
during the beginning of the 2011 season; however whose fault was that? Doman
didn't know what he was doing, and relied too heavily on Heaps to bail him
out, and since his system was in chaos it could have only be lead by the captain
himself. Look at the way he finished in 2010 behind Robert Anae's Offense,
after Nelson was injured and Heaps was given the keys as the starting
quarterback, his numbers were stealer. It’s too bad that we won't
see Heaps play, in what would be his senior year, under a Robert Anae Offense
that has identity and discipline. What a shame!
Chris B - Bottom dwellers love each other.As for
Heaps:There are usually two things that motivate someone - they
either see the light, or they feel the heat. In this case, Heaps felt the heat.
It's do or die time for him. We'll see how this plays out. Good luck
Good luck to Jake. Coach Weis was unable to win at ND with highly ranked players
so he was fired. Kansas may have lesser opponents than ND had so he could
succeed, but Kansas also does not have the offensive line, receivers or running
backs that Weis had in South Bend. His 1-11 season was not a good omen and
switching QBs may not be the only change needed.
@toomixedupforyou "Chris B, you should be really high on Heaps because he
literally gave you a 54-10 victory in Provo, all by himself. No wonder you like
him sooooooo much."Classic, no matter what the situation is
cougie fan's have excuses. Every loss is either given to the other team,
the refs fault, a player that shouldn't have been playing, coaching
mistakes, etc. In the entire history of the Y the cougies have never lost a game
because the other team is better in the eyes of most cougie fans. 54
- 10 and that was one guy's fault, right? Heaps was playing QB, RB, OL, D,
and all the special teams, right? Also I'm sure you probably don't
know this since you had a bag over your head walking to the car. Heaps
didn't play the entire game Y fan's hero (at the time anyway) Riely
Nelson came in and he was destroyed by our D even worse. Stop making
excuses and just give credit where credit is due for once. It's very poor
sportsmanship not to give credit to the better team after a loss.
Good analysis, Jim1027. I think you are spot on.When Heaps first
arrived, there was no bigger fan of his than me. But the 54-10 debacle and the
getting out of the way of the interception returner turned me. That is when I
knew he didn't have the heart to be a big time QB, no matter what his
talent level was, which by the way, didn't turn out to be so great in game
situations.Maybe he has developed some maturity and courage since he
left BYU. I hope he does well this year. I'll be checking up on him.
That's a novel idea. 2 QB's taking all the reps in spring ball.
Whereas at BYU, 4 or 5 are vying for the QB spot in Provo again! Same nonsense
that drove Heps from BYU in the first place. The last similar experience was a
disaster. Some people never learn
I agree, Chris. It might say something like "I don't want to play
anywhere I'll have to actually compete for the starting job." When you
jump to a 1-11 team without a strong incumbent QB, you're not exactly
telling everyone you have high expectations for yourself.And no-one
knows for sure, but I don't recall any of the traditional "quarterback
factory" schools clamoring for Jake's services after his sophomore
year. If my logic is off, someone please correct me. I have a feeling I'll
be waiting for awhile.
Nobody was higher on Jake when he entered the BYU program than I was. He was
doing well his freshman year, but as a sophomore his true self was exposed. Here's why he was benched, in no particular order:1. He
didn't organize practices for his guys in the off-season. 2.
Although he threw a nice ball, it was the same fast-ball from an distance. He
didn't know how to throw a soft one that the receivers could catch from ten
yards when they were open.3. He avoided contact and even got out of the
way on a pick and just let the guy run past him to the end zone. He totally
lost the team then.4. He quit. Now, you can say the BM or BD weren't
good coaches but Ziggy didn't quit, even though he wanted to do so 50
times. Neither did any of the other QB's.You can ask about any
of the team if the above is true. They quit following him. If he can overcome
those deficiencies he will make his own luck, and I hope he will.
Maybe he's finally grown up. If so, I hope he does well. Immaturity never
does well and that was a lot of what his problem was when he was at BYU. We all
have to go through growing pains and I hope he has done that. I wish him the
toosmartforyou OWNED Chris B. Love it.But seriously folks! was
right: "BYU requires both teamwork and smarts."I am a Jake
Heaps fan and supporter. I think, his freshman year, when he was driving BYU
down the field at RES on that last drive, he was going in for the kill, and
Robert Anae's decision to shut down that momentum and attempt a field goal
was probably the wrong move. However, coach did what he thought was best. Jake
Heaps did what he thought was best, and what that was included Heaps'
decisions next season that lead to a 54-10 drubbing of BYU after Heaps gifted
three touchdowns to Utah. Utah fans who today claim Heaps was too good for BYU,
after trashing Heaps in 2011 for the 54-10 debacle, are living in a whole new
level of delusional denial.Any good team requires teamwork and
smarts. If Heaps has learned this, he can help Kansas become stellar. Nobody
relevant denies Heaps' stellar abilities. If he finally learns teamwork
and smarts, and stops throwing un-catchable bullets, disingenuous people may
forever wrongly think BYU coaches didn't do it right when Heaps was there.
I hope Heaps does really well at Kansas. Win the Big 12.
I wish Jake all the good fortune at Kansas. Have a great career, Jake!
hogheadsandy, UTAnd a zero star recruit will become a top 10
NFL pick with great coaches. Just ask Ziggy. Great call Mount Oly.---------One player drafted in 3 years. At that rate you just
might pass Colorado's talent level.
He seems pretty cool.
I think they will give Jake a chance even if he does not field punts in
practice. I think they want a quarterback who can throw and that is Jake. I
wish him great success. He's going to be a star.
All comments except one wished Jake Haps well with Kansas. The other comment
was negative about BYU. You guessed it - Chrissy B.
And a zero star recruit will become a top 10 NFL pick with great coaches. Just
ask Ziggy. Great call Mount Oly.
At byu, he would of been a Super Star, under Lavell. At Kansas, he will have the
I wish Heaps all the best. I still think he would have been better off
red-shirting a year and staying the Y. Resilience means that you bounce back
from getting benched. Hopefully he has learned some of that in his time off. He
throws a beautiful football; I saw it firsthand. I would still take Riley's
heart over Heaps' arm.
Even a top recruit will struggle if he goes to a place without good coaches.
Jake should be happy he left since he wouldn't even be 4th string now with
the quarterbacks we have.
@ TheCrowI think your argument is a little over simplified. Yeah
their record is unimpressive, but keep in mind they the Vols are playing against
similar caliber recruits every week in SEC play. Stars aren't the
end-all-be all, but they aren't 100% meaningless either.
Looks like Jake Heaps still stirs a lot of passions in Provo. Its nice to see
that most people here are wishing him all the best, though.Jake does
a lot of things well. It will be interesting to see if the red shirt year helps
him move up to the level everyone expected of him out of high school.
So. Cal Reader, you are probably more likely to hear about Heaps in Lawrence, KS
than in Manhattan, KS. Unless, of course, there's a Chris B at KU.
Heaps was smart to leave.Bronco's pride in sticking with the LB
at QB will have long lasting effects on BYU's mediocrity.Move
to independence: strike 1Transfer of a potential All-American QB -
this should have never happened at BYU, of all places: strike 2Firing/forcing out your entire offensive staff, in other words, "passing
the buck": strike 3BYU football is like Utah basketball, once
great, but now irrelevant.
Programs win when they have coaches that know how to leverage the strengths of
their players, above their normal ability to perform (e.g. Lone Peak
basketball). Who knows what Heaps could have done with a knowledgeable OC and QB
coach. I wish him well and hope BYU stops hiring guys that look good on paper.
Chris B, you should be really high on Heaps because he literally gave you a
54-10 victory in Provo, all by himself. No wonder you like him sooooooo
much.Who in the PAC 10.2 has been so nice to you? (Hint: It
wasn't Colorado.) Who in Logan has been so nice to you. (Go Aggies!)You can really relate to the 1-11 stay-at-home-for-ALL-the-bowls
experience, can't you?
Uh, he transferred to a 1-11 team because he lost his starting position. Der
Ken, very insightful. "if you don't think stars matter". I noticed
Tennessee was ranked #9 in 2010 (6-7), #13 in 2011 (5-7), and #17 (5-7) in 2012
by Rivals. Good thing they're getting all the "stars"... its
really been paying off. Should we go on? Maybe it is you who should think about
whether "stars" matter. It is a combination of many things. Rankings,
coaches, environment, etc. I know you are looking for a reaction ( i guess I
just gave you one), oh well.
Chris B,I wonder if you watched Heaps play, EVER? If so you would see why
he was not a good fit for BYU. He wanted to be the whole team and he did not
use good judgement. BYU requires both teamwork and smarts.
This falls under the category of "who cares?" No, I didn't read
beyond the title of the article. This guy left the Cougs program 1 1/2 years
ago. If anyone is still interested in Heaps, they can access info. on him from
the Manhattan, Kansas papers.
Wow. You guys are just gushing, aren't you.Quite pathetic, really.
Hope he has a successful career in Kansas. I expect him to do the best he
can.Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
Heaps and the cougars runnin rampant through what would of been the new BCS AQ
MWC in 2013! OMG! What a concept! Hindsight's 20/20. What do think Holmoe
While I consider myself a Bronco supporter, it's only true every coach has
wins and loses and the Heaps situation certainly has to be one of Bronco's
greatest loses to date. Not sure how good the kid is cause stars don't
quarantee production, but touchdown passes aside, the way this marriage ended
for BYU and Heaps is regretful. Wish the kid nothing but the best!
I bet Jake loves playing with other players who were more than 2 stars out of
high school. And if you don't think stars matter, go look up how many stars
the average Alabama player has and how many the average indy/WAC player has.
When a guy leaves a program to go to a 1-11 Kansas program, speaks volumes about
the team he left.
I hope Heaps lights it up this year. With a quality coach and with BCS quality
teammates around him, even a 1-11 Kansas team is a significant from his prior
team.Side note:A 1-11 Kansas team beat byu and usu in
recruiting.I guess when recruits can pick to go play with Heaps on a
1-11 BCS team or a WAC team, the choice is clear.Good luck this year
As a BYU fan, I only hope for the best for Heaps. Good luck.