Let's change the bill to take care our our buddy's business.
We'll make the smaller communities pay for the prsion. The Leg. has
forgotten this is a State Prison and a State Issue. But on top of it all Since
Draper wanted the priosn moved they shouyld pay a fgood chunk of the bill with
the taxes earned. Scrap the stupidity and drop the bill and the move. We the
people who the Leg. is bilking do not want it.
Someone needs to call Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Phoenix to get costs for building an
adequate prison. Surplus tents, welfare quality food, and educational TV only.
Oh, and pink underwear. And, chain gangs.But, really, this is not
like Sugarhouse where the facility actually needed to be replaced. This is a case where someone thinks they can make big money by developing the
land. That is fine. Let prospective developers make an offer for the land, and
as part of the offer include THEIR plans to build and outfit a new prison before
the Point of the Mountain land is turned over to them. If the state gets a deal
that they like, accept it. If not, reject it and wait for a better one. If
they finally accept a good one, and when the new prison is done, sign the deed
and everyone wins.What we must not do is get played for suckers with
some sweetheart deal for the developers and the taxpayers stuck paying for the
new prison, and getting peanuts for the old site.There is no urgency
to do this. If the land is valuable now, it will be worth more in the future.
The old prison was in the location of sugar house park.It was wisely
moved(because of the age of the building and its urbanizing suroundings).It is time to move it again I would like to see more open
space in its place - rather than selling all the land and building another
downtown 15 miles of the south of the existing one.
Socialize expenses; Privatize profits.It's the Utah brand of
socialism with a big R beside it.
"'We've been accused of fast-tracking. We didn't fast-track
it,' said Sen. John Valentine, R-Orem." ... Oh, well then, I am
completely comfortable if the good senator assures us it hasn't been fast
tracked. (Where is that blasted sarcasm font?)
@ RockWhere have you been? The prison relocatiomn is about Exhibit
G. Remember Syncrete? How about the I-15 expansion in
Utah County where no 1/2% sales tax was collected like Salt Lake, Davis and
Weber Counties for decades prior to I-15 being rebuilt? What about
the huge $$$ pay-off that UDOT made? Recall Legacy Highway and the
millions paid to "not" build it and the resultant 55 mph and rubberized
asphalt the enviromentalists got for their millioms in delays? (There was a real
bargain for Utah residents, right?) What about UTA and their
conflicts of interest that favors their board members in certain instances? There are many more examples but not enough space to list them.Do you recall any other major ones right off the cuff?
Governor Herbert and many elected officials have made their voice known about
the irresponsible spending that is happening on the Federal government level.
Utah is doing the exact same irresponsible spending by trying to have the Utah
State Prison moved at the tax payer's cost of 600 million dollars. I say
tax payer dollars because anyone who honestly believes that the state is going
to recoup the cost of this move by the sale of property, new jobs, and new
businesses moving to Utah is completely blind. We all know that Utah (tax
payers) must fund this ridiculous move upfront and maybe 20 years down the road
the money may be recouped. I cannot even believe that the state talks about
losing 100 million in funding, 9000 federal workers who contribute to the
state's economy may lose their jobs, education will be cut, but this state
has 600 million dollars lying around to move the prison because it's an eye
sore. This is irresponsible spending. This makes our state government no better
than what we see happening on the federal level.
Of course the legislators are going to stick it to the local taxing entities. I
still do not get how they came up with the 20 billion economic boom this would
have for the economy? Proves to you that Utah republicans are no different from
So the vast majority of taxpayers are against the move but they (Gov and State
Legislature) don't care and are going to do it anyway. Wow, isn't
this a fine example of a representative democracy/republic. Sad thing is they
know that there will be no political cost to them since they have the all
important, immunity granting, "R" by their name. Heaven forbid there be
checks and balances (two parties) in Utah. All power corrupts; absolute power
corrupts absolutely; I give you the railroading of the decision to move the
prison as example "A."