Moutanman, "Did Emma have any regrets that you are aware
of?"Oh boy. Pleaze don't go there if you aren't ready
to see Joseph as anything other than a perfect prophet. He and Emma loved each
other deeply...but they certainly had their "moments" (to be
understated) where plural marriage was concerned.
Bandersen,I'm LDS, but I have to go with Baccus on this one.
My religion is important to me personally -- I see no atheists or progressives
trying to take away my right to a spiritual relationship with God. I certianly
get no enjoyment from watching them "squirm" over my personal religious
I wish people would stop blaming god for horrible decisions they make in their
lives -- like choosing a spouse!I chose my wife on my own, with no
help from anyone, especially not from any god, and after almost 30 years of
marriage, I have no doubt that no god could possibly have chosen better.
@ atl134. Did Emma have any regrets that you are aware of? Does he today?
So I can infer from this article that God has better success in the matchmaking
business than Emma.
@banderson right because cultures don't change which is why we still
all live in hunter gatherer groups. oh wait.
@JoeBlow: Remember, LDS members believe(d) that Joseph Smith spoke face to face
with, and received instructions directly from the Lord. So, given those
criteria, if a man I believed spoke directly with God told me to do X or marry
Y, I'd do it. If I didn't believe he spoke directly with God, I would
not do it. So you are correct in the second case, but in the first case, would
you run away from a man who spoke with God and conveyed such a message to you?
It would be deeply gratifying to me, and much more, to *KNOW* I was doing the
Lord's will. I am a convert to the LDS faith, yet I wonder why so many
people so strongly resent and oppose it? It is as though the idea that the Lord
could actually do what is written about in all scripture, that is, convey His
will to man through a prophet, is somehow so outlandish and unbelievable that
any man who says it happened is immediately branded a liar, a cheat, an evil
man! Likewise, the church he established, as instructed by God , is condemned.
Athiest and progressives: Go ahead and be my guest it you think you can
overturn cultural traditions (i.e. This is much different than religious
traditions). Although I here about women asking men to marry them, something I
am not against at all--if that's how a man and women get married.
Traditionally, however, it has not been so and I doubt very much it is going to
change. There is just something about the differences between men and women,
something progressives and athiests don't admit or understand, that makes
them quite different, not just on the physical level. Good luck with overturning
that 'perogative'. Again, I can only look at how it happens in a
majority of cases and 'enjoy' the frustration that it must trigger
with those who want everybody the same. Forcing everybody to be same is
something I find repugnant, offensive to all believers in the individual nature
of every human being.
@ BandersenI would like to say that I enjoyed the article, it was
well written stating the LDS perspective on marriage. As you know, many people,
myself included, think that marriage is broader than stated here. But that
really is irrelevant at this point.What called my attention is your
comment.You wrote: " This 'perogative' is at least one
'right' the athiests and progressives won't be able to take away.
In a Politically Correct world, I can thoroughly enjoy watching them squirm on
this one"I didn't know atheists and/or progressives were
trying to take away any prerogative or right from you. Please, you can count on
my support on fighting anyone who attempts to take rights away from you.I was concern, as usually am, when a fellow Christian declares that
he/she would "thorughly enjoy watching them squirm ", that sounds
utterly un-Christian.Fortunately, I'm sure nobody is squirming
over the article or anything written here.
[In many societies today, a request for marriage is the prerogative of a
man.]Good thing we don't live in one of those, as they're
usually the ones that also require women to be covered head-to-toe. Here in
United States, as well a most modern societies, a woman can ask a man, neither
needs the permission of their parents, and dowries aren't required.
@banderson As an "atheist" and "progressive" I feel
no need to "squirm" over your religious belief (not the same as
objective reality) that MEN have the "perogative." it only illustrates
the patriarchal nature of your religion nothing more nothing less.
Sorry, but if my religious leader told me that the "Lord" wanted by to
do X or Marry Y, I would run away as fast as I could.
This 'perogative' is at least one 'right' the athiests and
progressives won't be able to take away. In a Politically Correct world, I
can thoroughly enjoy watching them squirm on this one.
Thanks for this wonderful article. The scriptures are clear.