Confederate flags.Banners that carry a big picture of an assault
weapon with words that say, "Come and get it!"Guns all over
the place.I wonder how many were loaded?In my opinion,
these are some of the people who need to be screened for mental competence and
stability before packing a weapon. It's obvious that we need better mental
health care in this country.I'm waiting for the day when there
is an "accidental" discharge at one of these gathering.That
might do a lot to impress upon people the need for some common sense safety
regulations regarding weapons.
OOM needs a bit of a history lesson."Come and take it" is an
American patriotic slogan most notably used in 1778 at Fort Morris in Georgia
during the American Revolution where the British demanded that the Americans
surrender their fort. And later in 1835 during the Texas Revolution, where the
Mexicans demanded that the Texans at Goliad surrender their cannon. The phrase
is similar to Molon labe, which is a classical expression of defiance reportedly
spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army's demand that the
Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae.Freedom loving people do not like their means of self defense taken away by
tyrants, of any stripe.The behavior of this group, and the condition
they left the capitol grounds in, was far better than the "Occupy" folks
who infested downtown Salt Lake for a while. And, everyone there handled their
guns safely, and were obeying all laws. Is this a great country, or
In my opinion, there are some people who need to be screened for mental
competence, and stability before voting. It's obvious that we need better
mental health care in this country.A 16.8 trillion dollar deficit,
and we keep voting in big spenders who want to take our guns away?It's crazy.
As a Utah native son and a former Special Forces Army lieutenant, experienced in
the use of numerous firearms, I am astounded at the vacuous rejection expressed
in this article of what I see as common sense and long overdue national gun
control measures that in no way infringe upon our constitutional rights nor
threaten our ability to defend ourselves. More than extreme, the sentiments
expressed are delusional. If mental health is truly an issue in gun ownership,
I can't imagine any of those quoted qualifying as a responsible bearer of
firearms. What they advocate is decidedly contrary to our collective best
interests and only serves to embarrass themselves and our state.We
can only hope that those weapons they are constantly shaking in everyone's
faces don't go off.
The more I see and hear from these gun fanatics the more convinced I am that we
need strong gun control legislation. Unfortunately we probably won't get
Children. Children clinging to their toys. At least the governor is keeping a
cool head. This sort of thing is completely juvenile. And I
generally support the right to own firearms.
worf,You weren't going where I thought you were going, given your
first paragraph. Here's a more appropriate second paragraph:"A 16.8 trillion dollar deficit, and the issue motivating these people to
flood the streets is juvenile, knee-jerk paranoia over potential gun control
measures that won't infringe on anyone's ability to defend their home
or family" There! Fixed it for you.
What 2nd amendment enthusiasts desire is pure anarchy. You really want your wife
and children to be exposed to wackos walking around at malls and churches
wearing guns? Incredible.
Why don't those people get some constructive hobbies like serving the
homeless some meals or donating to charities that help improve the human
condition.If loving guns is all you are, you aren't much.
Did anyone see 'wackos walking around at malls and churches wearing
guns?' before gun legislation was presented? Is it 'children clinging
to their toys' when someone's home is burglazed (or worse)? Was it
'delusional' and our 'collective' best interests when a
crazy man stolls through Trolley Square and no one could stop it until the
police arrived? Those of you who want 'common sense' gun legislation
ought to take a look at how rediculous it is to hear these ludicrous
'common sense' gun laws that will absolutlely do nothing to stop
anything, except law abiding gun owners who actually believe in America and its
2nd amendment. A little research, instead of partisan psuedo arguments, would do
much for those who believe that the 2nd amendment is something not to defend or
uphold. Stand up for unalienable rights, including a belief in God, and it is
amazing how simple it is.
Interesting that so many people think that suddenly the Federal government is
going to come up with a fantastic solution to safety by simply dismantling some
rights. One might choose to reflect on their success with the nation's
economics, the gradual invasion of this homeland, the success with
ultra-expensive brush fire wars on the other side of the planet, and virtually
everything else they get involved in before becoming giddy about their ability
to make the nation safer.
Utah Constitution, Article I, Section 6. [Right to bear arms.]
The individual right of the people to keep and bear arms for security and
defense of self, family, others, property, or the state, as well as for other
lawful purposes shall not be infringed; but nothing herein shall prevent the
Legislature from defining the lawful use of arms."one old
man" commented about confederate flags should read up on the Gadsden flag.
it is hardly a confederate flag.
A lot of police departments around the countryare urging people to get
their own gun. Theysay due to budget cuts it isn't wise to relysolely on them for protection, because theydon't have the manpower
to respond in atimely manner.I would argue this has always
been the casebecause its possible and somewhat likelya home invader
can kill you and other familymembers in only moments.If guns
are to make people and families saferhowever, rules of gun safety need to
belearned and then followed. This is important.I would urge
the state, (Utah) to add to theirwebsite, gun safety rules, along with
trainingScenarios of how to use a gun safely andlegally.
“Utahns are known for their strong support of conservative principles,
including family values and the U.S. Constitution”Too bad this only
applies to guns. With the worst school system in the country too bad Utahns
can’t put this much effort into their own education system.Doesn’t sound like family values, it sounds like selfish and self
One day one of these so-called "responsible gun owners" is going to snap
mentally, and we're going to have another massacre on our hands. Or the
"good guy" will suddently turn bad. What's the argument then? And
the radical behavior described here only makes me fear that it will happen
sooner than later.
Since gun laws will never stop criminals from getting guns, why, oh why are we
wasting our time debating ever more gun laws! They don't work, never have
and never will! What we need is criminal control, not taking away the only
defense law abiding citizens have to defend themselves. If you don't care
about your freedoms, your property or your safety don't buy a gun! But
those of us who do, will own guns because we have to!
These people are the nuts? Wasn't it the Vice President, Joe Biden, that
said, basically, if you feel threatened, go outside and shoot a gun. Then in
another interview, he said that you should shoot the door to keep people away
from your house.
Owning a gun may be the last freedom available to any American soon!
bandersen,"Is it 'children clinging to their toys' when
someone's home is burglazed"No, but when people start
waving aggressive propaganda banners and making a scene that should embarrass
responsible gun owners over proposed legislation that will not prevent you from
defending your home, then it is. "Stand up for unalienable
rights, including a belief in God, and it is amazing how simple it is"Boy, talk about "pseudo arguments". What does gun control have
to do with a belief in God? Did Moses bring down a Glock from Sinai along with
the stone tablets?
The Pictures in the DN article "Gun Rights Enthusiasts March" Pretty
much said it all! Children and others with child like mentality meeting at the
Alter of the trigger, raising their voices and banners, fomenting a little more
fear of big brother, who is lurking around every corner to snatch their favorite
toy! To tell the truth, I am not so much worried about the hardware they are
packing around, as I am of the fairy-tale rhetoric they espouse, and their
possible reaction to a "the sky is falling" perceived threat! Make the
argument for mental health more significant!
It's really refreshing to see some sensible comments mixed in with a batch
of NRA talking points.
Some thoughts: * you don't stop drunk drivers by taking cars
away from responsible people.* gay parades are crazier* through
out history, most human suffering have come from the hands of bad
governments.Many people have been killed along our southern borders
by cartels touting American guns,and Egypt is being armed with WMD's, also
from our country.
What the difference between a nut walking into Trolley square with a gun, or a
JCPenny's?What's difference between attending a Utah State
legislators's gathering and Arizona Congresswoman Giffords?Nothing.If I see someone, anyone, in public, with a gun, and not
in uniform -- I promise I WILL call 911 first, and then pull my own weapon in
self-defense.Until we have 100% background checks - I will forced to
consider all persons, with weapons, in public, as criminals, or mentally
ill...and therefore automatically a threat.
WHEN are these "gun activists" going to learn to spell?I see
they're still waving DONT TREAD ON ME flags. Who'd buy that
many misspelled flags?Who taught them to use the apostrophe? They should
get their money back!"MUST-NOT" is not a (hyphenated) word.
They are two separate words.MASS MURDERS AGREE. Really?
Don't you mean "MURDERERS"?
"...Approximately 300 people participated in the event...".AM radio folks covering the rally had the number at 3,000,000..."...shoot the door to keep people away from your house...".The undeniable best quote from the whole marvelous march...
LDS Liberal,Thank you! I'm right there with you. If I see
anyone toting a gun in public, I am going to call the police first.
E-major: Since you don't believe that gun ownership has anything to do
with God, then explain to anyone what an 'unalienable' right is
without God. The phrase is meaningless without God. If their is no meaning to
'unalienable', then please tell me what rights you have that
aren't dependent on a government bureaucracy or tyrant! Of course, if you
put your trust in the historically ever trustworthy humanity to protect you, I
have nothing to offer you, nor does God. He said put your trust in Him, not
man. God gave us rights, 'unalienable', to protect us from the
stupidity of those who naively assent to give any right, if they believe they
have any, to somebody in power, no questions asked. Wow!
"...shoot the door to keep people away from your house...". There you go
again, a statement by "Joe Biden". RULES FOR RADICALS. A
Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals. by Saul Alinsky, Demean, denigrate,
ridicule your opposition. But don't argue the merits of their
positions.If I see someone, anyone, in public, with a gun, and not
in uniform -- I promise I WILL call 911 first, and then pull my own weapon in
self-defense. So you are one of those mentally ill carrying a gun in public.
The ultimate liberal elitist I can but you can't hypocritical statement.
In his attempt at ridicule "Most Truthful and Patriotic" makes light of
historic facts."WHEN are these "gun activists" going to learn
to spell? I see they're still waving DONT TREAD ON ME flags. Who'd buy
that many misspelled flags?" For one the U.S. Navy!The flags
are historic not recent designs. These three flags used the spelling Dont.The Gasden was used in 1775 on ships attempting to prevent the British
from re-supplying their troops. The snake symbol with its 13 rattles
representing the 13 Colonies was widely during the Revolutionary War and the
motto "Dont Tread on Me" was a defiant warning to the British. The
Gadsden is considered one of this country's first flags.The
Culpeper Minutemen, a Virginia militia formed in January 1775. This unit drove
the British fleet from Hampton, Virginia in October 1775.The First
Navy Jack first appeared on ships of the Continental Navy in 1775 under the
command of Commodore Esek Hopkins. In 2002 the Secretary of the Navy directed
that this flag be flown on all U.S. Navy vessels during the Global War on
jsf, the argument has already been made, and decided. The government has the
right to control arms. "Demean, denigrate, ridicule your
opposition." You mean like signs that read, "Liberalism is a mental
disorder"?Banderson, so you base your rights on a fairy tale?
I'll base mine on something much more substantive, logic and reason, thank
RULES FOR RADICALS. A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Conservatives. by Karl
Rove, Demean, denigrate, ridicule your opposition.But don't argue the
merits of their positions.
LDS Liberal"If I see someone, anyone, in public, with a gun, and
not in uniform -- I promise I WILL call 911 first, and then pull my own weapon
in self-defense.Until we have 100% background checks - I will forced
to consider all persons, with weapons, in public, as criminals, or mentally
ill...and therefore automatically a threat."Are you for real? So
nobody except for you has the right to have an open carry permit? What makes you
so special? You know the DHS has labelled VETERANS as the number one terror
threat? You better watch what your advocating because it's going to come
back and bite you. As for calling the police? They will laugh at you
and hang up the phone. This isn't a Nazi Police state. Why do you want one?
WVC may take your "complaint" seriously because they even shoot unarmed
"As for calling the police? They will laugh at you and hang up the
phone."No they won't. They will send police to investigate.
@Mark"No they won't. They will send police to
investigate."By the timer they get there, the person with the
gun will have wandered off.
Somply put: We have the right as a Citizen of the United States of America
through the Second Amendment to bear arms and it is not the right of this
current Administration to take that away from us. It won't be pretty if
they try to enforce it.