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Published: Friday, March 1 2013 6:40 p.m. MST

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Aggielove
Cache county, USA

Let me be more clear. I realize porn is very tempting for some folks out there.
But I also know that times have changed, a lot. There are lots of sorry excuses for men out there, because they use all these excuses in today's world. OCD this, and PTSD that. Always an excuse for why they are whimps.
I've always been shocked at all the men out there undressing women with there eyes.
Start looking at women like heavenly fathers children, and not a piece of meat.

David B.
Cedar City, UT

I have to agree with this mom. This kind of thing has no practical use in society.It's a terrible thing to expose children whether it be through advertising or other. Now stopping it is another thing when it has been deemed a method of free speech(You know freedom of expression) when it is that lewd and disgusting.You all have seen the turn towards stripping and You've heard some of the reasons why they do it and it's all about the money. These teens that are turning towards this have real bad role models like Kardashians,Lohan and others. Education in schools have gone by way of the doh-doh and it's not getting any better.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Folks as you all get wraped up about this, remember what this women is campaigning for. "And she's not talking about the plentiful and easily accessed videos, images and other material available through various electronic mediums." This lady is taking about magazine covers of Heidi Klum, Runners world, and photos of actors running on the beach in bathing suits.

The portrayal of sexual acts through any medium is easy to define as pornography and restrict..but is a photo of Cameron Diaz on the red carpet in a low cut dress pornography? Of course Sharia law would answer this and fix it definitively.

Moabmom
Moab, UT

When will people learn that you can't legislate hearts? It's the parents job to protect their children, not the government. Yes, pornography is evil, but when you pass social laws like this, you give your power as a parent over to the government and hand them a little bit more of your 1st amendment rights and your parental rights eery time you ask the government to fix your problems. We already have porn laws, enforce the laws already on the books. Take personal responsibility This is basically the same reasoning that the gun grabbers are using to infringe on our 2nd amendment rights. Guns aren't responsible for, so called, "gun violence". Evil people are, and you can pass laws form now to doomsday, and you won't stop evil people. Same with pron.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Wives who are cold and withhold themselves from
their husbands, shouldn't be surprised when their
husbands find other outlets.

Dektol
Powell, OH

Obscenity is illegal, pornography is not. Being offended here is silly - but if you are start wtih the ads for the new mall in downtown Salt Lake City. This issue shows a problem with the parents, not the publications.

2nd lantern
Payson, UT

Children learning to read are drawn to sounding out words or using their new skills while standing in line at a supermarket. Words on many covers are inappropriate, suggestive or clearly offensive...it is chilling to hear five, six, and seven year olds phonetically reading them while we are preoccupied with shopping details. I have turned many magazines around and spoken with store managers but the problem is huge and community vigilance is needed.

Carol P. Warnick
Ephraim, Utah

I agree with Pamela Atkinson. We need to take a stand against pornography and the affects it has not only on children but on everyone. The First Amendment was written for our protection and shouldn't be used as a shield for harm otherwise we wouldn't be allowed to make laws such as stopping at a stop sign or train crossing.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

I'm trying to figure how what could count as seeing "porn" while out and about in the community and all I can think of that could conceivably come close are the covers of GQ and Cosmo at the supermarket and walking past Victoria's Secret at the mall. Is that really worth legislating? From the looks of this article, the mother seems to want to raise her children to be paranoid adults who go around looking for reasons to be "offended."

Looks like the party of "personal responsibility" is at it again...

Mugabe
ACWORTH, GA

We, the People, can do much to bring about change in this world, but I am afraid that we are too loyal to our party to, stop fighting and hating, long enough, to come together and do something. The remedy for doing this is spelled out in the Declaration of Independence and the scriptures:

"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinion of mankind requires that they should declare the caauses which impel them to the separation."

Complaining is not the same as declaring. Man cannot be beaten for what he doesn't know. We assume that the people sitting in our seats of government really know what a republic form of government is, they don't. So, it is incumbent upon us, the Latter Day Saints, who ought to know, to tell them, just as David told the Phillistines, just before he slew their giant. (Continued)

bullet56
Olympia, WA

It is good to see that Utah has so few problems bigger than this that the Legislature can take time to bat the ball around for a while. What is Porn? How much of what body or bodies can we show. Is a naked baby on a carpet too naked? Is a mother breast feeding porn? Are the USA diving teams too exposed? Is the statue of Lady Justice porn? It all may be for some folks and not to others. Are we ready to make women wear Burka's? That may be the answer.

Kendalyn
Bountiful, UT

I applaud Dr. Brown and Senator Weiler for their efforts to protect children. If we look at the last 20 years and what was considered appropriate signage and ads, we can all admit there has been a serious decline. Lets take the high road. We can't control everything but let's take steps where we can to protect children from sexual images.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

Does anyone remember Attorney General David Wilkinson's ill-fated and expensive campaign against R-rated movies on cable TV? At least SJR15 doesn't require the state to sue anyone. It's just a consciousness raising feelgood statement.

Not to defend pornography, but I worry about a debasement of language that conflates a bikini ad with "Hustler." Words have meaning and dilution of meaning does not help one advance a cause. The issue needs a better vocabulary. Does Dr. Brown seriously think that there is moral, legal, physiological, or definitional equivalence between explicit sexual imagery and the woefully undefined imagery she calls "softcore gateway" porn? Does she object to Jamaican tourism ads that show people cavorting in the surf?

Concepts of decency vary from culture to culture and societies have different social mechanisms to regulate behavior. Nudity or toplessness are common in some cultures that do not seem to be plagued with rampant unrestraint or moral depravity. Conversely, Dr. Brown appears in the photos accompanying the article without head covering and sleeveless, offenses against female presentation that some other cultures would find scandalously lurid. Must we cater to the lowest common denominator of sensitivity and all embrace the chador?

Bruce A. Frank
San Jose, CA

I am surprised that in UT there would be such resistance, indicated by the comments, to the idea of limiting exposure of children to pornographic material. The question should be, who is harmed by limiting public displays of nudity that is clearly intended to do nothing but titillate the observer? In many/most cases the displayed nudity has no other purpose that to shock by pushing the envelope beyond what has previously been acceptable.

Being a current resident of CA I see how, many times, such public displays are intended to prematurely implant ideas of sexuality in children. Thus leading to easier exploitation,by pedophiles and other disturbed people, of pre, and early, pubescent children. The extreme youth of so many girls giving birth these days is clear testimony that such aggressive "exposure" campaigns has worked as intended.

Even if the child makes it to adulthood without succumbing, the ideas implanted by years of exposure leads to distorted attitudes towards sex outside of marriage. There is no downside to stepping back from so much overt sexuality, intentionally skirting the edge of pornography, being displayed on billboards, news stand magazine covers and the like, unless the intention is recruitment.

cindyacre
Shelley, ID

Exposing children to images when they are so impressionable is not teaching them to abhor the human body - it is teaching that the body is to be respected. The billboards I have seen along freeways in Utah are not what I see in Idaho - sad to say. And it IS an issue - a moral issue is every bit as important as an economic or political issue. These moral issues strike at the core of the family. Let's bring back what's right!

ParkCityAggie
Park City, Ut

Here's a thought: Teach your children not to become sexual deviants. In societies where Women are required to cover up their entire body, and where the image of a Woman's skin is forbidden, there are higher instances of rape and violence against Women, and such behavior is tolerated and even encouraged as a means to subdue Women (who are treated like personal property). We shouldn't be relying on the government to be our moral compass nor our moral enforcement. If you don't like the images you see on tv, turn the channel! If you don't want your children exposed to pornographic images on the computer/tv/magazines, etc., pay closer attention to them! Government is not your child's baby sitter. If the Victoria Secrets display in the window is offense to you, don't go to the mall with the Victoria secrete. If you don't like the image on the billboard, look away. Take responsibility for your own actions and teach your children likewise! Quit trying to get the government to be our minders, if I wanted to live in Saudi Arabia I'd move there.

Miss Piggie
Pheonix, AZ

@Two For Flinching:
"Why don't we just make it illegal to show any skin at all when out in public?"

I think you mean like a certain religion... who require their women folk to cover in burkas from head to toe except for the eyes. If they don't, they get beaten by the morality police.

Any attempt to ban porn will eventually end up like them. I think that's how they got there in the first place. Let's try to be wise about this issue.

@panamadesnews:
"That can be turned around to mean where does it (the pornography) end."

I ends when women (who take their clothes off and show their bodies) acquire some morals.

"If Iceland can prohibit porn, the great U S of A can prohibit it also."

Didn't Hitler prohibit porn back in the day?

@cjf:
"I never gained progress in overcoming it until I recognized my addiction and got professional help."

It's not addition. It's a normal inquisitiveness about things that are generally concealed from view.

SS
MiddleofNowhere, Utah

In no way would I ever say that pornography not a problem, but problems such as these cannot be taken care of through legislation. That has been the problem, trying to take care of the problem from the top down. "It is not needful that we be commanded in all things." The fact is that parents would rather shelter their kids or have the government take care of it for them than have an "awkward" (meaningful) conversation with their children.

How many parents in Utah brought their children to watch the movie "Twilight"? I think it is hypocritical for so many people to attack "pornography" and say it is all of these things, but then to go and support an industry that is to blame for the very things you are attacking. Take a stand and stick to it. Don't flip-flop. If you are going to flip-flop, don't take a stand or you are just a hypocrite.

Sandy
Salt Lake City, UT

Three hundred cheers for Dr. Jennifer Brown. She is a busy professional and a busy mother, and she's putting herself on the line to fight this disease in our social psyche.

I mistrust anyone who says porn is okay, including the soft porn that comes in the mail, on magazine covers, and in the lingerie ads in this very newspaper (which has been the beginning of a porn involvement for more than one paper boy). Such a view belies a porn attachment, in my view. By contrast, those who have a healthy respect for women and children and self could never defend the scourge.

Tell me where I send my check to support Dr. Brown's efforts.

bolshaya_kartina
Boise, ID

It's proper to worry about the effect of seductive images in our public places on children--I grew up with it (we all likely did) and it had a powerful effect on me, no doubt. Some can say that only the hard core porn is addicting to the brain--but that's definitely hogwash, I know firsthand. And science is definitive on this point. And it is not just harmful to children.

Nonetheless, there will be evil lurking in the world, whether law can control where we encounter it 100% or not. But improvements in public places of morality and decency should be welcome, especially in arenas frequented by children. I'd hope that even without laws more retailers and web sites and even television stations would recognize and respect the silent majority that would rather not to be titillated in their domains (and for good reason), instead of allowing the crass to seek to profit off of people's weaknesses.

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