Comments about ‘'Constitutional carry' gun bill passes House after change’

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Published: Friday, March 1 2013 2:58 p.m. MST

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lket
Bluffdale, UT

now is crazy season from the state house making laws that help no one. more guns on the street is not better. more guns more chance of accidents and more chance of arms theft. angers issues being done with fire arms rather then the the bird. it may turn good people into fellons by one bad choice. it does not do anything to democrats, like i think they do stuff like this for. it does things to everyone. in the 60s no one carried firearms and less people where killed by firearms. i felt safe then open carry came out i got one myself to protect me from the other ones that have them. because you dont know what they may do. scary state now.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

We were almost catching up, now we'll have to put those signs back up that say "Welcome to Utah Set Your Watch Back to 1890. Sad little men.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

@ Happy What it says is: Welcome to Utah where we honor the Constitution and specifically the Second Amendment.What I would like it to say is welcome to Utah No liberals remain here.

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

Obviously, the next step will be children being taught to handle a gun. After all, with the school districts low on funding, the only answer for protection and safety is children having the means to protect themselves.
Junior Safety Program as no one could ever have imagined!
Mental health programs?
Start with sending the NRA first.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Perhaps I got this wrong, but the gun can be loaded, but just not have a round chambered? That is supposed to give me warm fuzzies about Jethro packing at Lagooon?

This is solving what problem?

sparkey
Clearfield, UT

"no fit"...I have been teaching my kids how to handle a gun since they were 5 years old. One of the reasons accidents happen with kids and guns is the only thing their terrified parents all too often tell them is "not to touch any gun" so their curiosity is piqued, there ingnorance level is high, and the situation is primed for an accident.

With proper training and supervision you don't have to be so scared of guns and your kids will know exactly how to handle them safely thus reducing the chances for accidents.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

To UtahBlueDevil:
Do some of you people even read the articles before writing your comments? This article clearly states that ranchers and other people in southern Utah, who have been using the open carry law for decades, will now be able to wear a jacket or coat over their weapon in the winter without being harassed by authorities for technically breaking existing law. It's mainly just a clarification law and nothing earth shattering. Don't read more into this than there is. It's truly not a big deal from how the law currently is and has been in Utah for quite some time.

To Happy Valley Heretic:
Considering the all the nonsensical issues we're encountering in contemporary society, going back to the 1890's for awhile might be a welcome change. Don't knock it until you've tried it. My great grandfather seemed a whole lot happier than most of the people I encounter nowadays. Anyone who truly dislikes Utah too much the way it is always has the option of moving somewhere else. That's a law we won't be changing anytime soon.

Kralon
HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA

Okay, a round not in the chamber is good. Now, can we add mandatory gun safety training? Then it won't be such a dangerous law!

Better yet would be to just leave the existing law! I'm just not aware of any huge problems with the existing law requiring a change?

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

"no liberals remain here" way to honor "the constitution"

technonerd7
orem, ut

Listen. Some of you don't like guns. We get that. We don't like some things you do. It's ok. That is what makes America great. I don't tell you know to do something, and you don't tell me I can't carry my weapon. If you saw me on the street, you would not even know I carry. Because I am responsible. This bill, and others like it, protect my RIGHT to do so.

As for more guns=more deaths: If you do a little research on the FBI's website, and look under violent crime, you will notice a funny trend that Liberals do not want people to know about. During the last 20 years, the population has steadily gone up, the amount of guns in citizens hands have gone up, but violent crimes with guns have been cut in HALF. Yes, you read that right. In Half. Educate yourselves before trying to take my rights away.

Remember, people kill people. Not guns. A gun is a tool. Blaming a gun for killing someone is like saying the drunk driver didn't kill that person, the car did.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

To Happy Valley Heretic:
Anyone who truly dislikes Utah too much the way it is always has the option of moving somewhere else. That's a law we won't be changing anytime soon. What I would like it to say is welcome to Utah No liberals remain here.

Awe yes, the old like it or leave it. Like I tell people from out of state "Utah is probably one of the most diverse and beautiful states in the Nation. You just have to ignore the most of the people, at least the loudest ones.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

Happy Valley Heretic:

Some of that is good advice you give. But if you truly feel you have "to ignore most of the people" in Utah, as you stated, then you must indeed be very unhappy. I sincerely hope you're able to find another state where you feel you can freely communicate with most of the people. In the meantime, considering the decibel level of your postings, we'll gladly follow your advice and start ignoring anything you say.

DRay
Roy, UT

Should we call this the Barney Fife law? Not having a bullet in the chamber seemed to keep him out of a lot of trouble.

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

Getting a conceal permit is a ridiculous process. I'm ok with no permit for conceal as long as their is a background check for purchase. In fact I'd make the permit to purchase a little more tough (not $$ wise but, have you kept your nose clean wise).

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:HappyValleyHeretic

UT one of the most diverse in the Nation?

You're kidding, right?

Perfice
South Jordan, UT

Dear Technonerd7,

I went and educated myself as you requested and found the following:

Firearm homicides in the US have NOT been cut in half in the last 20 years. They have declined ever so slightly in the last three years as a result of the recession since people have less money to play with guns. During this same period of time, gun ownership has floated between 84 and 88 guns per 1000 people.

2011: 11,1015
2010: 11,0786
2009: 11,4936
2008: 12,179
2007: 12,632
2006: 12,791
2005: 12,352
2004: 11,624
2003: 11,920
2002: 11,829
2001: 11,348
2000: 10,801
1999: 10,828
1998: 9,2578

It's better to check the facts than just make things up.

tabuno
Clearfield, UT

I would propose that I'd rather require open display of assault weapons than to permit them to be concealed. It seems that if one were to openly display them it would be safer than to allow for them to be concealed and be unprepared for them. Concealment only provide a false sense of security, even to the person who owns the weapon.

Utah needs to own up to its gun culture and be willing to expose itself as oppose to hiding. Let the public experience the true nature of the gun culture in Utah and then let there be an "informed" vote on the right to own and bear weapons. Will we feel safer if weapons were to be on open display? At least criminals might be more reluctant to commit crimes or the general public might be frightened into controlling the prevalence such weapons.

Perfice
South Jordan, UT

..and to beat the dead horse some more,

the annual number of all deaths from firearms is 3 times the gun homicide rate which, interestingly enough is set to exceed the annual rate of traffic fatalities. That rate of course is falling at a steady pace because of safety regulations. Somehow most people don't think that their freedoms are being curtailed by those regulations ... hmmm.

and some bibliography:

UNODC. 2011. ‘Homicide in 207 Countries - United States.’ Global Study on Homicide 2011: Trends, Context, Data; Statistical Annex (with online datasets), pp. 103-125. Vienna: United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. 6 October

Hoyert, Donna L. and Jiaquan Xu. 2012. ‘Deaths: Preliminary Data for 2011 - Selected Causes.’ National Vital Statistics Reports (NVSS); Vol 61, No. 6, pp.40-42. Hyattsville, MD: US Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control Prevention, Division of Vital Statistics. 10 October.

WISQARS. 2009. ‘Injury Mortality Reports 1999 and Onwards (USA).’ Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System / WISQARS. Atlanta: National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention / CDC. 9 December.

etc.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Cell phones don't cause problems.

People cause problems.

Should we just ban people?

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

@tators.... ummmm, yes, I did read the article. Did you?

"Herbert told reporters Thursday he was not pleased with Mathis' bill because it went BEYOND helping Utahns in largely rural areas who normally openly carry their weapons avoid running into trouble when they wear a jacket.?

"... the effect of the bill is to remove the state's permit requirement to carry a concealed weapon"

The issue of the bill being too broad has been reported on many times over. It has no language in it limiting the scope to just agricultural areas or wilderness lands. That is mainly what Herbert wanted added in - that didn't make the bill.

So yes, we people did actually read the article - the whole thing.

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