@ IRS AgentYes I did. I had a ton of respect for BYU hoops back in
the Danny Ainge, Fred Roberts, Devin Durrant era. I also have respect for the
teams in the Jimmer Ferdette era. Teams that played good. They played tough, but
they werent' cheap. What Davis and especially Kafusi did against Gonzaga
was cheap and dirty! Did you even notice how Kafusi stood over the guy he just
mauled; an how his team mates had to pull him back? I'm sorry if the truth
hurts; but that's exactly what it is. Rose should have benched Kafusi after
the first flagarant foul, but he didnt'. @ stGtoSLCYou are spot on; as usual!
Wow, look at the square holes I'm trying drive round pegs into. Solomon
Levi, my quote that backpacn replied to was: "BYU does that while going into
nearly every game as the favored team in such a weak conference," so he/she
brings up the overall strength of schedule ratings to make the conference seem
better, so I showed just how weak it is. Now YOU are trying to talk about
non-conference, and say "BYU's team is better than Utah." I know
that! They played a game to determine that.What I remarked on is the
discrepancy in what some people consider a "hackfest:" the team that
fouls over 18 times per game against conference teams with an average RPI 79
places below their own, or the team that fouls 15 times per game against
conference teams with an average RPI 94 places better than their own?Feel free to take any of that out of context, and completely ignore my point
that nobody seems to want to acknowledge. But get back to me, the response will
be amusing either way.
StGtoSLC"Just like I said, Utah has a tough matchup nearly every
time they step on the court, and just like they showed last night, if they
aren't ready to go toe to toe physically and be ready to score, it's
not pretty. BYU doesn't need to 75% of the time."Lots of
hyperbole there, but you're ignoring that fact that Utah started the season
playing one of the weakest OOC schedules in the country, including NAIA and Div
II teams that don't even count in Utah's RPI.The disparity
in SOS is negligible.BYU #67 SOSUtah #52 SOSBut,
the disparity in RPI and record is huge.#62 BYU(20-10)#176
Hockey has a name for a player with the talents and style of
idablu, I agree with you about Josh Sharp. Where's he gone? From starting
to sitting on the bench and playing the least of anyone against the Zags last
Sorry, my penultimate sentence was worded incorrectly. It should have read:
Therein lies the double standard.
IRS Agent, what double standard? Read what I wrote:"I just think
it's funny after all the whining that cougar fans made over the way Utah
played in the Marriott, and that BYU doesn't play like that. Frankly, I
enjoy physical basketball (but not flagrant basketball)"Let me
make myself clear again: I have NO PROBLEM with a team playing physical, that is
the coach's prerogative on how he wants his team to play. What is amusing
to me is the fans who complain one week about how cheap it is that a team would
play them that way, and another week their team takes it to another level and
they defend it with their lives. THEREIN, my friend, is where the double
standard lies. Read comprehensively, not selectively.
@StGtoSLCYou complain about BYU playing to physical, and then turn
around and say that Utah has to be ready to go toe to toe physically with their
opponents to compete. Do you not note the irony? BYU played the #1 team in the
contry last night, and came out ready to go toe to toe physically with them.
Kind of a double standard it seems.@Spokane UteYou lost
all respect for BYU basketball last night? Really? Are you implying that you had
respect for BYU basketball? Based on your comments on these boards, you have
never expressed respect for anything BYU related. Sounds more like one more jab
that is just thrown out there to imply that BYU was somehow on the same level as
the U player that physically accosted the Y player on the baseline a few years
back? Again, sounds like kind of a double standard based on an isolated
incident. By the way, did you see how many times the BYU players help lift the
opposing players up off the floor?
Kafusi should be done for the season, he has no business being on the
basketball court. Rose must be proud of his enforcer. I lost all respect for BYU
basketball last night.
Down under, I don't know how many times I have to explain this, but in
basketball there is no such thing as "WCC officials" or "Pac-12
officials." College basketball officiating is done on a regional basis, with
most officials covering about 4 games a week, in this area mostly in the Pac,
MWC, WCC, Wac, Big Sky, Big West and Great West conferences. The officials
you're complaining about being worse than before are likely the same
individuals who have officiated your games for the past 15+ years.
cal cougar, again, I'm not whining about it, I just think it's funny
after all the whining that cougar fans made over the way Utah played in the
Marriott, and that BYU doesn't play like that. Frankly, I enjoy physical
basketball (but not flagrant basketball), but some people would rather watch
teams put on a clinic in sprinting, layups and jumpshots, and don't think
it's fair when other teams make it hard for them to do these things.backpacn, that wasn't my point at all, but since you brought it up,
let's compare the conferences:8 Gonzaga 14 Arizona45 SMC 22 Colorado62 BYU 39 UCLA93 Santa Clara 46 Cal148 San Francisco 47 Oregon179 San
Diego 69 Stanford199 Pepperdine 72 Washington223 Portland
88 ASU246 LMU 97 USC
175 Utah 186 OSU
194 WazzuJust like I said, Utah has a tough matchup nearly every
time they step on the court, and just like they showed last night, if they
aren't ready to go toe to toe physically and be ready to score, it's
not pretty. BYU doesn't need to 75% of the time.
"...As long as he doesn't permanently hurt someone, I am good with his
"football attitude"...".A report is made after each
contest. The league reviews the comments as well as the game tape.Whomever officiates the BYU games in the WCC Tourney will be briefed regarding
Kaufusi's play and behavior.Kaufusi's style of play will
be well monitored by officials during the tournament.A repeat
performance of last nights mugging will probably result in a Tech 2 including an
ejection (as was recommended by the ESPN announcer last night).The
physical play of all involved (with the exception of Kaufusi) is typical of what
teams will face in the NCAA Tourney.
Anyone who thinks that basketball is a non-contact sport that does not involve
intimidation is out of touch with reality. That does even happen in church
ball. These are males involved in a fight with a ball and hoop
with some holds barred by the refs. To think differently is because you
haven't played competitive basketball. BYU didn't get
shoved around like usual by Gonzaga. We did it to them. Kaufusi(Shaq) was
the reason why this game was close. As long as he doesn't permanently
hurt someone, I am good with his "football attitude". Even after the
takedown of Olenyk, the other players did not dare touch him. He could tear
one of their arms off. Let the Wookie win. I am glad that the Wookie is on
our team. You have to put the fear in the other team or you lose. We are no
longer viewed as the weak team you can push around and get your way. Very proud of our BYU Cougars with "teeth". I haven't been able
to say that about a BYU basketball team. Those whining about our rough play,
glad they are whining and not us now.
"Late" game takes on a whole new meaning when you're watching from
the east coast.BYU's strategy of packing the paint and forcing
Gonzaga to score from beyond the arc almost worked. The Cougars just
couldn't get a shot to drop in the last four minutes; that and too many
missed free throws cost BYU a chance to beat the Bulldogs.On the
bright side, the WCC will have the #1 team in the country next week. That
hasn't happened in a long, long time.Congratulations Zags!
You've earned it.
I wonder if some of you watched the same game I saw. Olynyk (sp?) was every bit
as aggressive and physical as Davies...at one point he headlocked him...on
several occasions he gave him forearm, shoulder, and hip shots...good,
aggressive play...but he was no less aggressive than Davies. I agree Kaufusi was
over the top...after he floored a guy he posed as if he had just sacked the QB.
But Davies and the Zag big men just played equally hard and aggressively. Watch
the tape...it doesn't lie.
Great effort by the Cougs last night against next week's #1 team in the
country. Several times in the last few minutes of the game, BYU had a chance to
tie or take the lead, but nobody, including Haws could make a shot.Still, I'm proud of this undermanned team putting forth so much effort
throughout the season.Good luck in the post season Cougs!
Down under"Anyone know what happened to Carlino the 2nd
half?"Rose on not playing Matt Carlino last 10 mins: "We
took Matt out, gave him a rest, and it seemed like we got some momentum, got
into a good flow. Craig [Cusick] was running the point pretty well and we just
stayed with it."
Fans are loud and biased. That's why they are called fans. Being loud,
biased and vulgar or obscene is not being a fan, it is being a lout. BYU fans
seldom fall into that category so get over Cougar fans cheering for BYU.
If Cusick missed the front end of a one on one on purpose I find that
surprising. Missed free throws cost the Cougs the game. Also, don't the
refs call three seconds or palming the ball anymore?
WCC refs are the worst I have ever seen no matter who you were rooting for.
They are only exceeded in poor officiating by to the PAC 12. Few was right when
he said that the right officials were there tonight. Gonzaga big men pushed and
clawed all night long and got away with it in the forst half. The second havlf
was more evenly called.BYU lost to a better team but they certainly
had their chances and blew them. Anyone know what happened to Carlino the 2nd
I was booing the bad reffing so hard my mom had to tell me to be quiet or I
would wake up my twin baby brothers. We win big if refs do good.
It has to be the refs fault the Cougs lost!
I love the play of Bronson; a little more physical than some would prefer, but
he plays hard every second.
It is amazing to see all the trolls comment on BYU. Last night I saw some good
defense by BYU and some toughness. the refs were calling a loose game and BYU
stpped up. I enjoyed Kaufusi not backing down but getting in their face. He
has a dominant attitude and more BYU players need to be more aggressive albeit
controlled. With Gonzaga having such dominant big men and BYU being somewhat
short-handed, the physical game was the way to go. It almost worked. We need
some more pure shooters, though. I have watched games this year where we did
not look like teams of the past with very poor shooting. Davies did pick it up
during the game, which I was glad. I would like to have Kaufusi next year as a
big enforcer with one or two more big men that can finesse the ball underneath.
Until the Utes are able to score 80 points against a D-1 opponent once in
awhile, they should abandon their "Runnin'" nickname, because
it's, quite frankly, false advertising. There's absolutely NO RUN in
Utah's basketball program nowadays.
StGtoSLC"BYU does that while going into nearly every game as the
favored team in such a weak conference, while Utah is the underdog in almost
every game, so trying to tighten up the D, like BYU had to do last night, is
rarely an issue for them compared to Utah, who play against at least one very
tough opponent each week."Sorry to burst you bubble, but the
disparity in SOS isn't nearly as pronounced as you pretend it to be.BYU 67Utah 52Hacking isn't the issue. Slowing
your offense down to a snail's pace on nearly every possession in nearly
every game is the issue.BYU's uptempo style is fun to watch,
with BYU averaging 77 ppg, 17th in the country.Utah's snail's
pace is boring as... U know, with Utah averaging 64 ppg, 272nd in the
country.Utah got blown out last night by a team that only scored 64
points; that's almost inconceivable, except for the Utes.The
Utes have only exceeded BYU's AVERAGE ONCE this season, and that was
against an NAIA team.
Please remove Kaufusi from the team. He's a great football player, but
seeing the aggression on his face as he takes a player out is an embarrassment
for the team, school and sport. Keep it on the field and off the court.
moderateinmagnaI'm pretty sure that coach Few was referring to
the fact that his guys get mugged every time they are in the MC and don't
always get the calls. They got some of those calls last night and so they were
"the right refs". I would agree.
Here is the difference between the BYU and Utah basketball programs....To BYU and her fans, 20-10 is an awful, down year.To Utah and her fans,
11-16 is Nirvana and a cause for celebration.BYU's athletic
program competes in every sport.Utah's athletic program is not
competitive in any sport and lives in the Pac's cellar.Pac
Funny how Ute fans apparently watched this game...what about your Utes getting
beat down last night? Bowl game + NIT/NCAA Tourney > No bowl game + No post
I apologize beforehand for turning a sports board into a religious soapbox, but
I can't resist. To Allen#2: the difference between BYU fans and Wyoming
fans, or any other fans, is that BYU fans, in some ways, represent the LDS
Church. As a member of the LDS Church, I often don't appreciate how BYU
Lonestar, now let me expose some holes in your theory. Last time I checked, Utah
averages about 15 fouls per game. This is, on average, barely getting the other
team into the bonus each half of every game, and players rarely get into serious
foul trouble (4+). BYU averages about 19 fouls per game, and had 23 last night,
with Kaufusi fouling out in 10 minutes, and Davies picking up his 4th with over
13 minutes remaining.This means the other team almost always ends up in the
double bonus. Which one sounds like a "hackfest?"Also, BYU
does that while going into nearly every game as the favored team in such a weak
conference, while Utah is the underdog in almost every game, so trying to
tighten up the D, like BYU had to do last night, is rarely an issue for them
compared to Utah, who play against at least one very tough opponent each
week.I'm not criticizing Coach Rose's coaching style,
frankly I think he's a fantastic coach. But just wondering how the fans
feel about their trash talk being exposed.
Kaufusi, Kaufusi, Kaufusi!Tough loss last night against a top team.
It's a long shot but here's hoping for a great WCC Tournament next
Please name the basketball team that does not have rude fans. As neither a Utah
nor BYU fan, it appears that BYU fans troll the articles about Utah teams as the
Utah fans do about BYU teams.Utah State Aggie, Wyoming Cowboy, and other
team fans are just as rude as any.
Great effort by an undermanned squad. This season may be Coach Rose's
best coaching job yet. He has kept an injury riddled team competitive by
cobbling together schemes that keep BYU close against teams with superior, more
experienced players. The NIT experience will be good for the players who
are coming back next season. As a Cougar fan I'm proud to have Dave
Rose at the helm.
Let's stop kidding ourselves. Fans in this state are obnoxious, loud, and
ignorant. yes, probably more so than in others. it doesn't matter which
team you cheer for collectively as a whole we're a rowdy competitive bunch.
while we're so passionate we still have the nerve to boo our own teams and
leave in the 3rd quarter if the game isn't to our liking.
PS- refs got us again. Darn refs.
There are no moral victories when your playing at home, even if it is the number
2 school in the nation. Had a chance to win which would have been big but in the
end it is still another L in a very disappointing season.
The "who's your daddy" chant at Stockton was even more confusing
then "You got swatted"
I was just glad to see the team hustle, play hard, contest every loose ball, and
in general, finally look like they really wanted to win a game. They had lost
their edge over the last half dozen games, and it cost them a chance at an NCAA
bid. If for nothing else than to set the tone for next season, I was glad to
see them come out fighting and hustling. They've been getting shoved
around too much, and they finally got aggressive and got their edge back. Yeah,
Kaufusi carried it a bit too far, but the Gonzaga guys weren't angels,
either. It was a rough game in the low block and bodies were on the floor all
night. Just that kind of a game, with a number one rating on the line for one
team, and a world of pride on the line for the other. This BYU team put it all
out there on the floor tonight -- 100% effort -- and no one can ask for more
than that. The crowd was loud -- it was a great atmosphere -- I can live with a
few boos. Great game!Buffalochp1
ok all you ute trolls or whatever you call yourselves after the game tonite can
any of you explain what coach Few meant when asked by ESPN 'how did you
pull off this win "and few answered "we had the right officials out
there tonight" sounds very suspicious to me thats probably why their big
men never fouled out OLYNYK had 2 fouls and Harris had 3 even tho they were
both mugging haws and Davies i counted 5 travels that never called and
they were blocking BYU,S players all night but never got called,you guys don,t
ever comment on utah,s thread because you can,t stand to cheer for a bunch of
near bottom feeders you call BUY fans obnoxious ,well before you open your
mouths i suggest you take a good look at yourselves first.
LOL!More comments from Utah trolls about the BYU-Gonzaga game, than
about the Utah-California game...and Utah's game ENDED before
BYU's game even started...obsessed much Utah fans?
They had several opportunities to win this. Failure to capitalize. A lot of
missed baskets at the end with Gonzaga on their heels.Good--rebounding,
defense, and Haws.Bad--shooting 36% from the field and 58 % free throws.
This is the poorest shooting team Rose has had in a long timeThe
Cougs played hard but they just don't have the talent to finish the upset
against a good team.Observations--Carlino had a pretty good 1st half
but was obviously in Rose's doghouse the 2nd half. I don' understand
why the 3rd best scorer and the steals league leader is not even on the floor
for most of the 2nd half.Sharp was the ONLY productive player in their
last meeting with the Zags and he didn't get more than a minute of playing
time tonight. Why is he in the doghouse?
StGtoSLC"So did Coach Rose attempt to take a page out of
Larry's book..."Hardly.The gaping hole in your
theory is Utah does the slow down hack fest EVERY game (averaging 64 ppg), while
this was an outlier for BYU (averaging 77 ppg).BYU scored more
points against the #2 team in the country in a nail-biting 65-70 loss, than the
Utes have managed against 9 of their last 10 opponents. I don't even
remember the last time BYU only scored 46 in a game like the Utes did in their
46-64 loss to California tonight.
StGto SLCI've never seen Gonzaga have so many calls against
them, or seen the opposite team get away with basically mugging the opponent.
Kafusi has no buisiness on the court. Davies isnt far behind. I wonder if Rose
told to go out and rough up Olynyk and Harris; sure looked like it.
Very impressed that BYU stayed in this game. But, to be honest, BYU got lucky in
the fact that they packed things in their zone and basically gave Gonzaga the
three and Gonzaga was so off on the three tonight. If Gonzaga makes 6 more
threes, then they win by twenty. But, BYU had five trips down the court when
they were down by one and missed the shot all five times. Just like my Utes,
moral victories are meaningless!!!
I will be glad to see Zylstra move on. Maybe he should wait until he hits a big
shot to win a game to celebrate like he does. He tightens up like crazy when
it's on the line. Maybe a couple more football guys could join the team
and thug it up some more. Cheap fouls by Kaufusi, and nice taunting after each
one. I didn't see a lot of that from the Zags, just good plays. Olynyk
and Pangos are class acts. BYU needs to decide who their go to guy is and have
him shoot the shots down the stretch, not just my turn to jack one up mentality.
gonefishn, yelling "You got swatted" after Kaufusi could have broken
Harris' nose was a nice touch, too. I usually make that cheer on a blocked
shot, not a blatant hack, but it is a different bunch down there.
gonefishn"As for the fans they proved two things, they are loud
and ignorant."For quiet and ignorant fans, see mirror.Utah fans boo EVERY call that doesn't go Utah's way, regardless of
Only in a real basketball conference can you have the opportunity to play the #2
team in the country. Only on BYU boards can you find Ute trolls posting 30
minutes after the game/article go up. I would also like to say hello to Chris
B. and Navel Vet because I'm sure they'll be here soon enough.
Great effort by the BYU team, they had a couple different chances and that is
all you can ask for. As for the fans they proved two things, they are loud and
ignorant. Booing every single call no matter how obvious is getting old.
Good battle, tough loss for the Cougs, fun game to watch regardless of which
team you rooted for. However, there was something odd I noticed that's
contrary to what the fans have told me. BYU, I was told, plays a fun,
fast-paced, high-scoring game to try get their wins, while Utah games are a
"hackfest" designed to stay close with opponents to give the
"illusion" that they can compete with them. So did Coach Rose attempt to
take a page out of Larry's book against a team that BYU had no business
being on the court with last time? Elias Harris and Kelly Olynyk looked like
they got brutalized by Kaufusi, who averaged one foul every two minutes, and
Davies likely would have fouled out if the game wasn't so close and his
scoring ability was so needed. I'm sure this wasn't really the case,
though, because can you imagine how silly the people who believe those things
they said would look if their team had to resort to it?
It was fun tonight as the Cougs put on a good show. They did have the
opportunities. NIT final four.