We can earmark other countries, but not keep our citizens employed?If this keeps up, we'll have an economy similar to Kenya.
not only have civillian employees taken it in the shorts with this, but for the
past 4 years there have been no cost of living adjustments... essentially
working civilian military has been one giant pay cut for quite a while.
It's a shame, despite having saved the government millions due to their
expertise at Hill AFB, because they already struggle to hire the best
engineering talent, there's a shortage of highly technical employees and
competition from commercial enterprises. These furloughs continue
to demontrate how our country's leadership is failing its own people. Make
the necessary cuts in budget and close tax loopholes. Stop pretending it's
the other guy's fault. Do your jobs Congress/Mr. President. If anything
Congress should put forth legislation with appropriate cuts and measures, if the
President vetoes it, at least then it's obvious what's happening. And
of course none of them are taking pay cuts because they deem themselves
"essential"... Stop steamrolling America with rhetoric and
do your jobs!
Re: "(The Department of Defense) will be forced to place the vast majority
of its civilian work force on administrative furlough.”But,
it's important to note -- it's being forced to do so, NOT by the cuts,
themselves, but by the Obama administration's eagerness to make them as
painful to America as possible.The authority already exists, even
without the Republican bill, for Obama to reprogram existing, allocated funds to
avoid furloughs. It has already done so in a couple other executive-branch
agencies.But the regime won't allow it in DoD.Why?
A combination of liberal antipathy for national defense, and a desire to make
this Democrat idea hurt America as much as possible.Couple that with
a well-placed confidence the liberal media will support their disingenuous plan
to blame their own idea and actions on Republicans, and you have the perfect
liberal political scam.Sad
Defense cuts have been long overdue. Our nation spends over 750 billion on
defense;over 3 times what our closest competior China spends. That money needs
to be reeled back in and spent on infrastructure.
Washington bureaucrats are making the cuts that will hurt the most and get the
most ink.One tv station in Chicago is reporting that the federal
courthouse may need to shut down one day a week and halt civil cases
altogether.A newspaper talks about furloughing 47,000 air traffic
controllers.All this for a 2% cut in the growth of government spending?Really?Now, in the private sector you make cuts the other way around.
This panic slashing reminds me of what Elder Maxwell once said; something about
our secular government leaders being neither civil nor servants.
@procuradorfiscal "But, it's important to note -- it's being
forced to do so, NOT by the cuts, themselves, but by the Obama
administration's eagerness to make them as painful to America as
possible." You have it exactly right!! Obama is making a statement. This
sequester was his idea in the first place. He stated that any attempt to
circumvent this he would veto that attempt. Now listen to his rhetoric. This cut
amounts to about 2% of the spending. He has the choice of where to cut. Your
Highness how about $700.000 to fund a musical on climate change. How about F-16s
to the Muslim Brotherhood. His posture on this is all political. What a sham!
The problem with this President and his executive orders is he doesn't know
the priorities of a nation that has a fiduciary responsibility. He has come
into his first term with a Secretary of the Treasury that didn't pay his
due income taxes. He has lived for 4 years without a budget but spends all his
time and efforts campaigning against the process of budgeting. Somehow he must
have had a sheltered life and doesn't realize that people in the real world
have to budget and pay bills. He doesn't pay bills on his watch as he can
shove them to the next President. I can't picture people of the United
States of America wanting to continue this path of a President that cries
"Wolf, Wolf!", "the sky is falling!" and develops his own crises
to make him look like the one who got us out of the problem. His
personal family spends taxpayer's monies for vacations that people normal
people can't dream of doing. He may have been entitled to grants,
scholarships, and forms of government payments when growing up. Now as a
millionaire he believes all people should have his same path.
If like most occasions, the process is that civilian contractors are one of the
first ones to go as they are under contract. However, with that being in a
different pocket of funds, maybe federal government employees, who President
Obama seems to have a distaste for may be the targets this time. If he keeps
civilian contractors onboard during a shutdown period, then they will have the
essential tasks and the government will then downsize the federal civilian
force. He will have gotten rid of some of the federal force that are the ones
he has brought on to help make his employment record look better. The private
sector is not the one he has increased it is the public sector that made the
overall force look better than it actually was. He plays games with
people's lives. He cries "the sky is falling and wolf" to incite
fear in people's hearts and souls. He wants us to be dependent on
government so we can praise him for all he has done for the poor souls. Our
country has much value in people. Money is what he wants to put value on. You
can't buy happiness.
Ironmomo--money going to working people in the military is better then
entitlements going to those doing nothing. China spends less money on their
military, because they pay little to their people.Infrastructure is
a word used as an excuse for extra revenue, and spending. It keeps popping up,
and we pay a good amount of taxes for every gallon of gas we buy at the pump.
You'll hear it again when government wants more taxes.Let's be alert, and see things as they are.
@worf"Let's be alert, and see things as they are."Anyone who believes military spending is about wages for the working people in
the military should get a better seeing eye dog.
"All this for a 2% cut in the growth of government spending?"The Devil's in the details. Sequestration reduces the overall federal
budget by 2%. Doesn't sound like much, right? But 2/3 of the budget is
non-discretionary, so that's off the table. That leaves $1.25T in the
discretionary budget. The 50% of the cuts come out of DOD, the remaining 50 from
non-defense discretionary. I can't speak to how other
departments handle it, but here's a general breakdown of DOD. Overall
budget* is a little over $600B. But $80B is for Afghanistan operations, so
that's off the table. Uniformed military pay/benefits is untouchable,
it's off the table. Now you've whittled the budget to around $500B.
But don't forget, half the fiscal year is over and 50% of the year's
budget is spent. That leaves around $250B from which to take cuts of $46B,
which is why the impact is much more dramatic than what 2% of the entire federal
budget would lead one to believe.As we're saying in my office,
"HAPPY SEQUESTRATION DAY!"*I use "budget" loosely as
there's no FY13 budget passed (and likely won't be)
@ResI guess you heard that Rep Maxine Waters (D-CA) is claiming that
sequestration will cause the loss of 170 million jobs.Really?I have
zero sympathy for the executive branch. Obama hid from the issue for 15 months
and even got a reprieve in December.Does the man have any regard for
responsibility? He's in charge of carrying out the functions of government
and he's caught unprepared for this? The best he can do is release illegal
aliens onto the street, close control towers and courthouses, and cut meals for
the elderly. Then he denies any involvement in these theatrics.There's a reason he's never worked in the private sector; he
wouldn't last 90 days.
I'll believe Obama is serious about cuts when he cuts foreign aid,
(especially to nations that hate us),La Raza, Planned Parenthood, and the U.N.,
or .......gasp..... cutting funding for Obamacare!
If Maxine Waters said that, it only confirms my long-held opinion of her.
I've seen numbers in a reputable university study that project around 600k
job losses either directly or indirectly attributable to sequestration. That
seems realistic from my optic. As far as blaming Obama goes,
there's plenty of guilt to go around, including both parties in Congress.
They signed onto this ridiculous legislation with motives that had nothing to do
with budget cutting. Republicans were convinced that they would win the White
House in 2012 and then could turn sequestration off. Democrats thought that they
were building a perfect trap for Republicans to blunder into and take the blame
for. And Obama refused to let agencies take major steps to evaluate
sequestration impact prior to the election out of concern that it would create a
panic Romney could capitalize on. Eventually both sides in Congress figured
sequestration was easier than making hard choices about where it's truly
more effective to make cuts.It's one giant mess, and frankly
most elected leaders in Washington should resign for a monumental and entirely
A 20% pay cut is not 'little'. There are plenty of other places to cut
spending before cutting pay checks. If our 20% contribution doesn't make a
dent then evidently elected officials just like to gamble with the livelihoods
of their constituents simply because they can. Quit paying for inane studies;
quit giving our money to foreign government. How about all federally elected
officials take a 20% pay cut too. For starters.
“According to the terms of the 2011 compromise, fully half of the
sequester cuts must come from defense — even though defense accounts for
just 19 percent of the discretionary budget on the table. This was part of a
strategy engineered by the Obama White House when first proposing the plan,
according to the venerable journalist Bob Woodward”So why does
BO blame the repubs? Oh, because he cannot take responsibility for ANYTHING.“The Obama administration moved aggressively over the last two
weeks to slash spending in areas where public reaction is most likely”So rather than lead, he continues to play politics. Rather do what is
best for the country, BO tries to do what is worst for his political opposition.
What a leader!Ironmomo,That money needs to be reeled back in
- and used to reduce the deficit - not spent on ANYTHING else.
Well, maybe some of these people who have been on the government gravy train
will realize how the rest of us feel now. My income hasn't recovered since
'09, but no one is on the news talking about the small business man are
they? A lot of very hard working Americans lost over 20% of their income in
those years, and most of us haven't recovered yet. We haven't taken a
vacation since 08, we have older used cars, no cable, eating out is a Big Mac,
maybe! Obama and his threats fall on deaf ears with me. It's time to cut
spending! A lot of us have been cutting back for years now, why should the
government be different? Here's the thing, when my money runs out, I'm
done buying, but with the government, when they run out, they just tell lies to
@joseywales"It's time to cut spending!"I
hear that a lot from my fellow Utahns. When I ask "What should be cut?"
all I hear are crickets chirping and then more rhetoric about socialism. What is the Republican plan to cut? Is there one? What programs are to
be cut in your world? What are Utahns willing to do without? Utah Republicans
just agreed to accept $71 million dollars from the federal government for
environmental programs. Where does that money come from? Utah pays less in
taxes than we receive from the federal government. That says a lot about the
actual character of this state. You guys talk a lot about cutting spending, but
it is just empty, shrill, and sounds desperate. Let's see something
concrete. Let's see some actual numbers, let's see what makes your
side of the aisle appealing. I, for one, am beyond tired of the same old CUT,
CUT, CUT mentality with nothing to back it up. And we get it - misery loves
"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other
people's money to spend."Politicians are unwilling to
actually make the tough choices to cut anything, and any proposal to do so is
instantly demagogued by Obama.He deliberately is inflicting the most
painful and obvious cuts to prove that NOTHING can be cut.Here are
some needed cuts: Headatart- proven to make no difference. Entire Department of
Education. Eliminate Department of Energy (transfer nuclear stuff somewhere
else). Cut EPA by 50%. Cut entire federal civilian work force by 10%-
preferably by attrition. No money to the United Nations, or any country that is
not an actual ally. Bring everyone home from Afghanistan immediately. Cut all
military bases in Europe and let them defend themselves. Eliminate all welfare
for illegals. Drug test welfare recipients and cut any who test positive. End
federal student loans- borrow from a bank instead- and half of college students
should not be there. Zero money for Public Broadcasting, National Endowment for
the Arts. Cut Congressional and White House staff and funds by 25% immediately.
Raise Medicare and Social Security age by 5 years. Weed out abusers of
CHS85- you guys? who's us guys? I'm an unregistered voter. I have
never voted party. I'm an American! What are you?
Yesterday on Fox News Sunday, Governor Mitt Romney offered his solution to this
dialogue. Uninformed voters elected the wrong man to the White House. They got
what they voted for, another ground hog day Obama term.