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Published: Thursday, Feb. 28 2013 8:20 p.m. MST

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worf
Mcallen, TX

We can earmark other countries, but not keep our citizens employed?

If this keeps up, we'll have an economy similar to Kenya.

raybies
Layton, UT

not only have civillian employees taken it in the shorts with this, but for the past 4 years there have been no cost of living adjustments... essentially working civilian military has been one giant pay cut for quite a while. It's a shame, despite having saved the government millions due to their expertise at Hill AFB, because they already struggle to hire the best engineering talent, there's a shortage of highly technical employees and competition from commercial enterprises.

These furloughs continue to demontrate how our country's leadership is failing its own people. Make the necessary cuts in budget and close tax loopholes. Stop pretending it's the other guy's fault. Do your jobs Congress/Mr. President. If anything Congress should put forth legislation with appropriate cuts and measures, if the President vetoes it, at least then it's obvious what's happening. And of course none of them are taking pay cuts because they deem themselves "essential"...

Stop steamrolling America with rhetoric and do your jobs!

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "(The Department of Defense) will be forced to place the vast majority of its civilian work force on administrative furlough.”

But, it's important to note -- it's being forced to do so, NOT by the cuts, themselves, but by the Obama administration's eagerness to make them as painful to America as possible.

The authority already exists, even without the Republican bill, for Obama to reprogram existing, allocated funds to avoid furloughs. It has already done so in a couple other executive-branch agencies.

But the regime won't allow it in DoD.

Why? A combination of liberal antipathy for national defense, and a desire to make this Democrat idea hurt America as much as possible.

Couple that with a well-placed confidence the liberal media will support their disingenuous plan to blame their own idea and actions on Republicans, and you have the perfect liberal political scam.

Sad

Ironmomo
Ogden, Utah

Defense cuts have been long overdue. Our nation spends over 750 billion on defense;over 3 times what our closest competior China spends. That money needs to be reeled back in and spent on infrastructure.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Washington bureaucrats are making the cuts that will hurt the most and get the most ink.
One tv station in Chicago is reporting that the federal courthouse may need to shut down one day a week and halt civil cases altogether.
A newspaper talks about furloughing 47,000 air traffic controllers.
All this for a 2% cut in the growth of government spending?
Really?
Now, in the private sector you make cuts the other way around. This panic slashing reminds me of what Elder Maxwell once said; something about our secular government leaders being neither civil nor servants.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

@procuradorfiscal "But, it's important to note -- it's being forced to do so, NOT by the cuts, themselves, but by the Obama administration's eagerness to make them as painful to America as possible." You have it exactly right!! Obama is making a statement. This sequester was his idea in the first place. He stated that any attempt to circumvent this he would veto that attempt. Now listen to his rhetoric. This cut amounts to about 2% of the spending. He has the choice of where to cut. Your Highness how about $700.000 to fund a musical on climate change. How about F-16s to the Muslim Brotherhood. His posture on this is all political. What a sham!

JWB
Kaysville, UT

The problem with this President and his executive orders is he doesn't know the priorities of a nation that has a fiduciary responsibility. He has come into his first term with a Secretary of the Treasury that didn't pay his due income taxes. He has lived for 4 years without a budget but spends all his time and efforts campaigning against the process of budgeting. Somehow he must have had a sheltered life and doesn't realize that people in the real world have to budget and pay bills. He doesn't pay bills on his watch as he can shove them to the next President. I can't picture people of the United States of America wanting to continue this path of a President that cries "Wolf, Wolf!", "the sky is falling!" and develops his own crises to make him look like the one who got us out of the problem.

His personal family spends taxpayer's monies for vacations that people normal people can't dream of doing. He may have been entitled to grants, scholarships, and forms of government payments when growing up. Now as a millionaire he believes all people should have his same path.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

If like most occasions, the process is that civilian contractors are one of the first ones to go as they are under contract. However, with that being in a different pocket of funds, maybe federal government employees, who President Obama seems to have a distaste for may be the targets this time. If he keeps civilian contractors onboard during a shutdown period, then they will have the essential tasks and the government will then downsize the federal civilian force. He will have gotten rid of some of the federal force that are the ones he has brought on to help make his employment record look better. The private sector is not the one he has increased it is the public sector that made the overall force look better than it actually was.

He plays games with people's lives. He cries "the sky is falling and wolf" to incite fear in people's hearts and souls. He wants us to be dependent on government so we can praise him for all he has done for the poor souls. Our country has much value in people. Money is what he wants to put value on. You can't buy happiness.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Ironmomo--money going to working people in the military is better then entitlements going to those doing nothing. China spends less money on their military, because they pay little to their people.

Infrastructure is a word used as an excuse for extra revenue, and spending. It keeps popping up, and we pay a good amount of taxes for every gallon of gas we buy at the pump. You'll hear it again when government wants more taxes.

Let's be alert, and see things as they are.

Superfluous
Anaheim, CA

@worf
"Let's be alert, and see things as they are."

Anyone who believes military spending is about wages for the working people in the military should get a better seeing eye dog.

Res Novae
Ashburn, VA

"All this for a 2% cut in the growth of government spending?"

The Devil's in the details. Sequestration reduces the overall federal budget by 2%. Doesn't sound like much, right? But 2/3 of the budget is non-discretionary, so that's off the table. That leaves $1.25T in the discretionary budget. The 50% of the cuts come out of DOD, the remaining 50 from non-defense discretionary.

I can't speak to how other departments handle it, but here's a general breakdown of DOD. Overall budget* is a little over $600B. But $80B is for Afghanistan operations, so that's off the table. Uniformed military pay/benefits is untouchable, it's off the table. Now you've whittled the budget to around $500B. But don't forget, half the fiscal year is over and 50% of the year's budget is spent. That leaves around $250B from which to take cuts of $46B, which is why the impact is much more dramatic than what 2% of the entire federal budget would lead one to believe.

As we're saying in my office, "HAPPY SEQUESTRATION DAY!"

*I use "budget" loosely as there's no FY13 budget passed (and likely won't be)

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

@Res
I guess you heard that Rep Maxine Waters (D-CA) is claiming that sequestration will cause the loss of 170 million jobs.
Really?
I have zero sympathy for the executive branch. Obama hid from the issue for 15 months and even got a reprieve in December.
Does the man have any regard for responsibility? He's in charge of carrying out the functions of government and he's caught unprepared for this? The best he can do is release illegal aliens onto the street, close control towers and courthouses, and cut meals for the elderly. Then he denies any involvement in these theatrics.
There's a reason he's never worked in the private sector; he wouldn't last 90 days.

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

I'll believe Obama is serious about cuts when he cuts foreign aid, (especially to nations that hate us),La Raza, Planned Parenthood, and the U.N., or .......gasp..... cutting funding for Obamacare!

Res Novae
Ashburn, VA

If Maxine Waters said that, it only confirms my long-held opinion of her. I've seen numbers in a reputable university study that project around 600k job losses either directly or indirectly attributable to sequestration. That seems realistic from my optic.

As far as blaming Obama goes, there's plenty of guilt to go around, including both parties in Congress. They signed onto this ridiculous legislation with motives that had nothing to do with budget cutting. Republicans were convinced that they would win the White House in 2012 and then could turn sequestration off. Democrats thought that they were building a perfect trap for Republicans to blunder into and take the blame for. And Obama refused to let agencies take major steps to evaluate sequestration impact prior to the election out of concern that it would create a panic Romney could capitalize on. Eventually both sides in Congress figured sequestration was easier than making hard choices about where it's truly more effective to make cuts.

It's one giant mess, and frankly most elected leaders in Washington should resign for a monumental and entirely avoidable failure.

tll
Ogden, UT

A 20% pay cut is not 'little'. There are plenty of other places to cut spending before cutting pay checks. If our 20% contribution doesn't make a dent then evidently elected officials just like to gamble with the livelihoods of their constituents simply because they can. Quit paying for inane studies; quit giving our money to foreign government. How about all federally elected officials take a 20% pay cut too. For starters.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

“According to the terms of the 2011 compromise, fully half of the sequester cuts must come from defense — even though defense accounts for just 19 percent of the discretionary budget on the table. This was part of a strategy engineered by the Obama White House when first proposing the plan, according to the venerable journalist Bob Woodward”

So why does BO blame the repubs? Oh, because he cannot take responsibility for ANYTHING.

“The Obama administration moved aggressively over the last two weeks to slash spending in areas where public reaction is most likely”

So rather than lead, he continues to play politics. Rather do what is best for the country, BO tries to do what is worst for his political opposition. What a leader!

Ironmomo,
That money needs to be reeled back in - and used to reduce the deficit - not spent on ANYTHING else.

joseywales
Park City, UT

Well, maybe some of these people who have been on the government gravy train will realize how the rest of us feel now. My income hasn't recovered since '09, but no one is on the news talking about the small business man are they? A lot of very hard working Americans lost over 20% of their income in those years, and most of us haven't recovered yet. We haven't taken a vacation since 08, we have older used cars, no cable, eating out is a Big Mac, maybe! Obama and his threats fall on deaf ears with me. It's time to cut spending! A lot of us have been cutting back for years now, why should the government be different? Here's the thing, when my money runs out, I'm done buying, but with the government, when they run out, they just tell lies to get more.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

@joseywales

"It's time to cut spending!"

I hear that a lot from my fellow Utahns. When I ask "What should be cut?" all I hear are crickets chirping and then more rhetoric about socialism.

What is the Republican plan to cut? Is there one? What programs are to be cut in your world? What are Utahns willing to do without? Utah Republicans just agreed to accept $71 million dollars from the federal government for environmental programs. Where does that money come from? Utah pays less in taxes than we receive from the federal government. That says a lot about the actual character of this state. You guys talk a lot about cutting spending, but it is just empty, shrill, and sounds desperate. Let's see something concrete. Let's see some actual numbers, let's see what makes your side of the aisle appealing. I, for one, am beyond tired of the same old CUT, CUT, CUT mentality with nothing to back it up. And we get it - misery loves company.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend."

Politicians are unwilling to actually make the tough choices to cut anything, and any proposal to do so is instantly demagogued by Obama.

He deliberately is inflicting the most painful and obvious cuts to prove that NOTHING can be cut.

Here are some needed cuts: Headatart- proven to make no difference. Entire Department of Education. Eliminate Department of Energy (transfer nuclear stuff somewhere else). Cut EPA by 50%. Cut entire federal civilian work force by 10%- preferably by attrition. No money to the United Nations, or any country that is not an actual ally. Bring everyone home from Afghanistan immediately. Cut all military bases in Europe and let them defend themselves. Eliminate all welfare for illegals. Drug test welfare recipients and cut any who test positive. End federal student loans- borrow from a bank instead- and half of college students should not be there. Zero money for Public Broadcasting, National Endowment for the Arts. Cut Congressional and White House staff and funds by 25% immediately. Raise Medicare and Social Security age by 5 years. Weed out abusers of "disability" SSI.

joseywales
Park City, UT

CHS85- you guys? who's us guys? I'm an unregistered voter. I have never voted party. I'm an American! What are you?

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