By their fruits, you shall know them. Very disturbing that Gov Herbert and the
legislature are all over this despite the majority of tax payers being against
it. Problem is half of them, including the non college graduate governor, are,
or have been, involved in real estate development which is at it's best
when you can put all the risk on the taxpayer and all the reward with you and
your friends. Pathetic really, to consider such a boondoggle when education
funding in Utah is dead last in the nation.
I wonder if the legislators will take more money out of our pockets via this
boondoggle, then the thieves in prison.
As was mentioned earlier, socialize the costs and privatize the profits.In a state dominated by republicons, who is going to profit?
Now I'm not a genius by any means, but wouldn't the state recoup some
of the costs if they own the land and sell it? I for one am tired of driving
past that prison and would rather see a few parks, buildings and maybe a golf
course then that old ugly prison.
Remember Dave Checketts and his $30M bailout deal he got from our Governor and
Legislature to help all Utahns in their drive for a successful and productive
soccer program? Now Dave is gone but Utahns still paid out the $30M without a
real process. Sort of like pushing through the frank and open discussion with
our elected officials in HB477 Government Records Amendments -- Dougall, J., now
our elected state auditor that is not an auditor. Hopefully, in this process
with the Prison he will be able to completely fulfill his fiduciary
responsibilities for all the citizens of the state and not his selected few that
he owes favors to from his time in the legislature. That whole
process is a money issue with the prison and it is ironic that we have a state
auditor that is not an auditor at this very important time in our history with
financial woes that can bite us. We may live in a place that businesses want to
come to but we don't want the hint that there is any kind of corruption in
our governmental process. That process is for the safety and welfare of our
society, in Utah. Attorney general?
@skibird, When you can get the land at a taxpayer subsidized giveaway price,
you always come out ahead.
There is currently an open field for sale right across the highway from the
prison, east side of I-15 just south of Bangerterm there are two but only one
with a 'for sale' sign. Thar field isn't selling, then there are
fields around the Adobe building all the way south to Lehi and east to the
Micron/Flash building which aren't selling. What makes these legislatures
think selling the prison property will be such an easy slam dunk?
Too much money at stake, the developers will make a killing while the taxpayers
will foot the bill for building a new prison.
Thanks Fitness Freak for a great posting. I don't always agree with you but
I do here. Thanks.
GOP socialism at its finest.Socialize expense; Privatize profits.
The time is NOW to email or call your state elected representatives to urge them
to put this idea on the "back burner".The numbers don't
add up. Which companies are willing to spend 20 billion to re-locate to
Draper?Utah taxpayers could wind up "on the hook" for
upwards of 500 million, assuming the state could get 200 million for the ground.
Then there's the cost of demolition of the old prison, and the
(inevitable) cost overrruns for the new prison.How long will it take
to amortize the cost savings by building a more efficient prison?The state
could hire several independent commercial real estate brokers to try to get a
better idea of how much the ground could be worth.Whatever the state
does they MUST be able to guarantee that there won't be any "inside
deals" from developers.
Land grab city with the idea of lining the pockets of real estate developers.
Nothing more than that and they know it. So here is a proposal. All money from
the sale of the land, all tax revenues resulting for the sale of, development of
and long term use of the land, goes directly into a fund that benefits (name
your program). And that can never be changed. Oh, no one from the real estate
development business can serve on this board. I know, you might think that idea
foolish and say "these are the experts". Experts or wolves in sheep
It will be interesting to see how an environmental impact study will go with all
the toxic waste there for the past 62 years, philosophically speaking. The
impact of a new site, wherever it is, will be as Senator Hillyard experience for
33 years will reveal, it won't be beneficial economically and adding travel
bills that Salt Lake County hasn't had to get people to the University of
Utah hospital, etc. It seems like there would be at least an impact study for
what will happen in tearing down and getting rid of the problems before going to
pick another site with the committee.