Comments about ‘Bill would remove 'Zion curtain' in Utah restaurants that serve alcohol’

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Published: Wednesday, Feb. 27 2013 3:04 p.m. MST

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Cincinnatus
Kearns, UT

The "Zion Curtain" is ridiculous. I don't drink, and I question why it exists. Rep. Hutchings makes the statement that young people who drink impede the development of their brain, then doubles down on that statement. Nobody is arguing that here. Up for debate is whether or not a partition prevents drinking, and there is little to no evidence that it does. Kids are seeing alcohol in far more places than restaurants.

This bill has a good chance of passing though, considering that Mike Waddoups is no longer the Senate President wielding his power to drive his personal agenda and that of Gayle Ruzuicka. Let's finally have a common sense debate about this.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

"You know I just wanted a Diet Coke with my meal, but after seeing them make that cocktail, I want one." said no teenager ever.

Even if they had it would go like this

Teen: I want a cocktail.
Waiter: Can I see your ID?
Teen either shows it
Waiter: I'm sorry, we can only sell alchohol to adults over 21. May I suggest a Diet Coke?

solomongrundy
Ogden, UT

I fail to see how lowering the Zion curtain will lead to underage drinking at bars and restaurants. The logic used here doesn't follow. Bars and restaurants, if they are following the law, check ID. Teens aren't going to be slugging back Long Island Ice Teas at the local Chili's anytime soon.

Also, the comment that drinking alcohol leads to crime so we should ban it doesn't make logical sense. People speed in cars. Should we outlaw automobiles entirely? Some people steal cable tv and go on to watch inappropriate programming, should we outlaw cable tv?

ExDixieIte
Salt Lake City, UT

Wait! This idea is logical and makes sense! But it relates to alcohol so we can't be logical and make sense. This is Utah, gosh darn it! Hide the booze! Do it for the children!

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

Most teenagers already know about the existence of alcohol (it really isn't a secret) and it would seem to me that seeing consumption rather than preparation would be a bigger motivator for consumption.

So logic would dictate that if the curtain were to remain in effect, that all consumption, not preparation would have to take place there.

Darkelf
Taylorsville, UT

problem is they aren't supposed to drink. yet the church cant control its people. so what that tells me is the parents have failed at teaching their children they don't believe in drinking. they dont want to have to tell them they don't believe in not drinking alcohol. its my belief that if you religion tells you to teach you kids the thing that are right and wrong and you cant do that without forcing you beliefs on others. then maybe its time to look at taking all the people temples cards and rights away from them. they aren't listening to the rules and words of their god.

you dont see me walk into the downtown temple and stand on a chair and say this is a story about exactly how babies are made. not talking birds and bees. i am talking medical details. dont tell me i can't sit in a restaurant and watch the bartender make me a drink

Darkelf
Taylorsville, UT

tell you what. i have a toddler now. if she drinks and gets caught. i am not going to hire a laywer to get he off. i will go in take to the da and judge and say listen i dont want this to cost me money. i dont think she would learn if i pay it. but also dont want her getting off scott free. in reality if kids get caught and have to pay big fines. they dont have jobs. now if they have to actually work it off themselves as in community work. they will think twice about drinking.

he is what i suggest to control underage drinking. put the fear of god into them. loss of license for 4 year. no plea bargining. if they are in high school get the school break schedule when they are out of school for weeks or even summer. they are up at 6am state will pick them up they will work 8 hours of cleaning or yard work or what other type of work. then be dropped off after work.

Richard Larson
Galt, CA

The other day I told my boss
what the zion curtain is and
the purpose it served.
She laughed so hard that
she gave me a raise!

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

What's funny is I'm active LDS, my friends are (mostly) active LDS, and none of us support the idea of the Zion Curtain. I'm willing to bet that almost every young, active LDS church member in Utah is opposed to the Zion Curtain.

What is it that causes a very small minority of LDS people to think that the Zion Curtain is a good idea, and how do seemingly all of them end up as state congressmen?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Utah is #1 in anti-depressant medications in the nation.

Perhaps we should focus on the REAL problems of our society,
and stop making up these ridiculous strawman veiled theocratic Word of Wisdom laws.

George
Bronx, NY

@brave sir robin
you are right, its a small group of very vocal people that control what our state government does. Go watch the eagle forum people literally give the congressman the thumbs up or down on bills. Any congressman that wants to keep their seat does what every they tell them. it is embarrassing to watch.

moderateinmagna
MAGNA, UT

The lawmakers in this state are a bunch of prudes ,they are 30 years behind times,i think it,s high time that they wake up and smell the coffee,[oops i said a bad word in this state coffee] i know of no teenagers anywhere seeing some mix a drink is going to start them drinking that thought is just ridiculous.

ipr
Spanish Fork, UT

I don't see much logic in these comments, just a lot of dislike of the LDS church. Sad.

JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
Beverly Hills, CA

I am LDS and I think the Zion Curtain is ridiculous. Children will chose to drink for many reasons and watching a drink being poured is not one of those reasons.

Hiding the issue and making alcohol exotic and forbidden fruit will result in a person being attracted to drinking because they have no one hovering over them telling them not to instead of the practiced agency to chose for themselves.

ParkCityAggie
Park City, Ut

I doubt the Zion Curtain ever had a true practical purpose, it was silly to begin with, and it was just one more pull of the leash to let us all know who's really in charge here. It was simply punitive. It was passed under the guise of shielding young eyes away from those evil liquor bottles, we all know most kids see far worse things many times a day. If it really offends someone to see an adult beverage being mixed, might I suggest taking your business elsewhere, perhaps some place that shares your values and beliefs to begin with? Yes most restaurants sell booze... perhaps that should be your first clue that values we all mostly share is that of making money! And really, why stymie business like that? If Utah as a state is so pro-business as our fearless lawmakers claim, then whey are they always trying to get government to be a nanny and our moral compass who would thwart the free market? If restaurants are lining up for licenses to sell adult beverages, maybe its time to concede that we should just let the adults be adults.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "I don't think the restaurant industry wants to see that."

And that's that.

Since way too many members of the legislature are bought and paid for by the "hospitality" industry, and since that industry has now handed down its marching orders, we now know where this bill is headed.

New to Utah
PAYSON, UT

Who really cares? It is something that never should have been implemented. We have a national economy that is in a tailspin borrowing 40 percent of what it spends and we spend time on this nonsense.

Willybee71
GARDEN CITY, NY

Well, I guess no one else will ask the questions, so I will. I wondered why this law, clouded in distracting moral logic debates, exists. How many Restaurants open before 2009 felt so much competition from new ones that they had to find an way to protect their business with a "Grand-fathered" physical layout advantage ?? How many dining establishments , that have to comply, opened since 2009 ??
Which group of Legislators gets better service at which Restaurants ???

suzyk#1
Mount Pleasant, UT

I've never understood why we have to have alcohol for drinking in the first place. It brings no good to our lives. More people are angry, are beaten, are killed because of the abuse of alcohol. It serves no positive purpose. I know they use it in some cooking establishments but that should be where it ends. My niece is an alcoholic (started drinking when she was 15) has had DUI's, not able to drive for a time and yet continues to drink with friends. It's an excuse to me for drinkers; they become mean, nasty, irrrespondible in their actions and many end up killing friends, family....drinking causes out-of-control behavior and someone always gets hurt. What's the good with that?

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

@suzyk#1

"I've never understood why we have to have alcohol for drinking in the first place. It brings no good to our lives. More people are angry, are beaten, are killed because of the abuse of alcohol. It serves no positive purpose. I know they use it in some cooking establishments but that should be where it ends. My niece is an alcoholic (started drinking when she was 15) has had DUI's, not able to drive for a time and yet continues to drink with friends. It's an excuse to me for drinkers; they become mean, nasty, irrrespondible in their actions and many end up killing friends, family....drinking causes out-of-control behavior and someone always gets hurt. What's the good with that?"

I go out once per week and have 3 drinks. Never had a problem. Your niece has a problem ... doesn't mean the rest of us can't handle it responsibly. Don't stereotype the mass based on your beliefs and one unfortunate experience.

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