Published: Tuesday, Feb. 26 2013 2:35 p.m. MST
With due respect to Mr. Pyle, I would argue he has a vested interest that does
not allow him to be completely unbiased.Why should those cities, who
have invested their respective tax dollars in this failed project, continue to
pour more of their tax dollars down that same rat-hole with no foreseeable
reasonable return on their investment?
It's probably useful to point out that Mr. Pyle is the city manager for
West Valley City. He has a "vested interest" in serving his city, too.
@Pujols4mvp,So what is you point? Is it that he is not biased
simply because he is both Chairman of UTOPIA as well as the City Manager of West
I just don't want you or anyone else to think that UTOPIA is some private
company or entity. UTOPIA is the cities that created it. The cities aren't
flying blind here. They are in the details and know what is going on.
@VST Failure only happens when you give up. Yes Utopia started off poorly, but
since 2008 they have made great strides under new management. Last year they
were projected to be $3 million in the red and ended up only $8 thousand. This
year they are projected to be in the green all year for operational support.
They have a massive grass roots campaign under way to get more customers. If a
majority of customers signed up in areas that already have Utopia we
wouldn't be having this conversation. All this is an opposite of what you
described as a 'rat-hole with no foreseeable reasonable return on their
investment.' Will this be easy in the near future. Probably
not. But with hardwork comes great rewards. Other cities (like Spanish Fork)
have proven that Fiber sponsored by a city can work very well.We should be
talking about what we can do to make this more successful. I have Utopia and was
able to get 3 neighbors to sign up as well as save them money every month (and
raise their home values). I'm a Web Developer and couldn't
tell you a better service than Utopia!
@h0mieT,If what you say is true, then please explain why in recent
decisions from city councils in Murray and Tremonton did they vote to deny more
funds for UTOPIA?[Re: Deseret News Article, "Do two 'no'
votes to fund UTOPIA signal trouble for agency?" – 23 Feb 2013]Is this one example where government entities should not be engaged in
competing with private business? They appear to not do well in those
circumstances.Side Note: It is my understanding, we have some fiber
installed here in Bountiful, and Bountiful did not join the UTOPIA consortium.
I am certainly satisfied with my service.
If you really read this article you would know that Utopia said they can survive
without it but they are looking out for cities. Pay less now or pay more over
the long haul. It's up to the cities if they want to do this. People, like
yourself, just keep seeing a narrow vision of government spending = bad. It's also funny you think Utopia is the only company that uses tax
payer money. Comcast and verizon have been given hundreds of millions from the
states and federal government to build fiber networks over the past two decades.
I have yet to see any of those networks even come close to what Utopia can
offer. side note: Comcast offers plans $20 less on my street because
we have utopia and the streets that don't have Utopia pay $20 more. If
anything Utopia is providing competition which was nonexistent before.
Comcast/qwest also doesn't pay to use taxpayer's telephone poles in
neighborhoods. your side note: So you just proved that city
sponsored fiber works. You love your fiber and it works great. Your city
subsidies it. I'm happy for you.
Sorry I also need to get this off my chest. @VST if you live in a non utopia
city why do you care about this article. It's doesn't affect you. It
just bugs me that the state and other people who shouldn't be involved are
trying to tell the cities what they have to do. This is like the federal
government telling states what to do. Completely overreaching their boundaries.
If the state undid all their regulations against Utopia (they sold out to
comcast lobbyists) Utopia would have been revenue neutral by now.
@h0mieT,You did not explain WHY Murray and Tremonton have told
UTOPIA to "go pound sand" when UTOPIA asked for more money. Is that not
a sign they are dissatisfied with UTOPIA's performance in protecting their
initial investments and meeting their initial cost estimates for completion?You also said, "It's also funny you think Utopia is the only
company that uses tax payer money."Where did I say that? Guess
what – I never did, and furthermore, it is not funny. My point is UTOPIA
has a history of not delivering what they promised on-time and within budget.As for Bountiful, you assumed incorrectly – they did NOT subsidize
installment of fiber optic cable with their own tax dollars. And of course,
like Salt Lake City, chose not to initially join-in on the UTOPIA
"experiment." Based upon UTOPIA's performance, they chose wisely
and our current service is excellent.For the sake of the invested
communities, I would like to see UTOPIA be successful, but I will not bet the
farm on it.
Murray and Tremonton have decided that they can't afford to give more money
upfront right now to Utopia. That's fair. Budgets are tough right. They had
to make cuts in other areas. I wouldn't refer to that as telling them to go
pound sand.As for the funny comment I just notice people get all
bent out shape about Utopia and tax money when they are completely ignorant of
other companies getting taxpayer money (your comments sound like those people).
The government just does a better job of hiding those dollars from public eyes
and is not easy for the everyday joe to understand how it works. I can assure
you that your fiber is subsidies. It might not be upfront payments like Utopia.
But more of tax breaks, free use of government property, etc to pay for at least
the backbone part. Utopia has a uphill battle. No one is hiding
that. But there is a foreseeable future in Utopia. I see it. There accounting
over the last few years show it. But sadly people will be stuck in their narrow
mindlessness about the initial costs and the simple view of that any government
I support Utopia and the innovation and progress that is being provided by the
group. I'm am appalled and saddened by those who would destroy
the group and the project - especially those state senators and representatives
that create laws after-the-fact to inhibit its success. Reminds me of Old
Testament opposition to building the temple after the return of the Jews from
Babylon. They are just stupid and destructive of something good. Help it thrive
rather than destroy or even inhibit it!!!
The residents and taxpayers of the member cities of UTOPIA have had many,many
promises from UTOPIA but very little has been shown in keeping the promises.I have no answer as to what is the best route to take now that they have
invested so much and committed to the refinancing, but somewhere the taxpayer
dollars must cease going into this black hole.It looks Like Murray
and Tremonton has finally said, "ENOUGH".
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