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Published: Monday, Feb. 25 2013 12:30 a.m. MST

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WON84
PLANO, TX

"Right now, the Cougars are in the 10th-best league and the Utes in the 6th-best. But what if they’d stayed in the conference they helped create nearly 15 years ago?"

They'd never be on national television (I guess Utah still rarely is) and pulling in fraction of the television revenues each currently does...

nehu
Kaysville, UT

Great the Aggies will be going to MWC, really like our situation, now we just have to win. Good news being that we won't have to win the conference tournament to get in EVERY single time. StGeorgeBYU I am confused about what fans you are referring to? :) Don't seem to notice too many fans at the games BYU plays in, other than Zaga of course.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@2fer

Ok, they've improved I'll agree, but I don't think it is nearly as much as utah fans think it is and seeing as though they have started mostly seniors this year I think they are in for another bad year next year even if the young talent is decent. Of course we don't really know if that young talent is decent because it hasn't been played very much.

I understand what krystkowiak did this year, he HAD to get some wins and try to make it appear that utah has improved. The ooc schedule was purposely bad to accomplish that, then he hoped that they would be able to get a few more wins in the pac12 to maybe get them to .500 overall. That hasn't happened either, and won't.

It is a bit of a catch 22 for him, they have to win some games to try and get fans back but they can't get wins unless the teams are really bad which does nothing to prepare them for conference play. It's a tough situation but he signed on for it.

Mt Rushmore
Arlington, VA

54-IQ

"The NCAA tourney is at the ESA and the tickets cost $250 each for all 3 sessions(already have mine). You have to pay to attend and you can't take your homemade popcorn and root beer in with you."

That isn't "root" beer you're sneaking into RES and the HC.

After having "fans" outside the HC give you free tickets for the pseudo basketball games played inside, it's great that you realized that you'd actually have to pay to see real basketball played inside the ESA.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

nehu

"Don't seem to notice too many fans at the games BYU plays in, other than Zaga of course."

You obviously didn't watch the BYU-Saint Mary's game; the McKeon Pavilion was packed, standing room only. I seem to recall the Aggies getting whipped by the Gaels in the Spectrum.

Anyway, the Aggies should do well in the MWC, especially if the new football coach can keep Utah State playing at the same level Anderson got them to.

Go Big Blue!!!
Bountiful, UT

I love USU moving to the MWC. It is a great fit for the Aggies. It makes geographical sense, it dramatically improves basketball scheduling issues, and provides stability that USU has sought for for so long. LOVE IT!

U 90
Corona, CA

Duckhunter,

You are fabulous at predicting Utah will not make it to the Rose Bowl, what other amazing predictions can you enlighten us with? You probably also predicted in 2003 that Utah would never make it to the Sugar or Fiesta. All you prove Duckhunter is that you really don't know what will happen, do you?

You said, "BYU could get to the Rose Bowl before Utah and that would be embarrassing...". Why don't you worry about beating Utah first. Don't you think the Cougars will have to learn how to do that before a Rose Bowl invitation is extended?

joseywales
Park City, UT

Oh duckie, you are about as funny as that Books guy who comments about HS basketball. the Y will never go to a rose bowl, silly rabbit, rose bowls are for conference teams. I guess theoretically they COULD, but really, why submit yourself to that right?

However, in things that are real and not fake, Utah could realistically end up dancing before the Y gets back into the tourney. I know that the odds are about even, but like I said, as bad as Utah has been the last few years, and you guys would know, you've been pointing it out like crazy, but as bad as they have been, it would be embarrassing if they get in the big dance before the cougies. At least I would be embarrassed if I were a true bluer.

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

U 90

re: "You [Duckhunter] are fabulous at predicting Utah will not make it to the Rose Bowl, what other amazing predictions can you enlighten us with?"

Two years ago, Utah fans were fabulous at predicting that the Utes would be making frequent trips to the Rose Bowl.

Whose predictions have been more accurate so far?

Here's a clue:

Arizona has been a member of the PAC 10 since 1979, yet the Wildcats have NEVER played in a Rose Bowl.

The Utes won only SIX conference championships in the 39 years (1962-2010) they were in the WAC/MWC. From 1962 to 1991, the Utes won ONE conference championship.

Why would any objective fan expect the Utes to be more successful in the PAC, than they were in the WAC/MWC?

Striker
Omaha, NE

@ TroyTown

"U 90

re: "You [Duckhunter] are fabulous at predicting Utah will not make it to the Rose Bowl, what other amazing predictions can you enlighten us with?"

Two years ago, Utah fans were fabulous at predicting that the Utes would be making frequent trips to the Rose Bowl.

Whose predictions have been more accurate so far?"

Amazing post, but this comment takes the cake!

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

U90 - why are you even wasting your breath talking about lil ducky's famous predictions? We all know what happens to them!! Remember Fangupo? Ya, neither does anyone else!

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@U90 "Why don't you worry about beating Utah first. Don't you think the Cougars will have to learn how to do that before a Rose Bowl invitation is extended?"

You know, it wasn't that long ago that BYU had taken 3 out of 4 from Utah. In fact, I got home from my mission in time to watch the OT Hall-to-George thriller.

BYU's proven time and again that it knows how to beat Utah. I think it's cute that Ute fans beat their chests about "3 in a row" over their supposed "irrelevant" and "left-behind rival", when two of those wins were complete flukes, gift-wrapped and handed to U on a silver platter.

So because U have lucked into 3 in a row over BYU and U are now in the PAC 12, I'm supposed to now take U seriously/think U are relevant?

The fact that U use beating BYU as your metric of success tells me just how little brotherish U are.

That, and the trailer park football facilities. Those are just hilarious!

Go Cougars!

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@VegasUte "How embarrassing is it for the [Cougars] who will finish with 7 losses in a league that plays in jr. high school gyms and sports such collegiate power-houses as the Pilots, the Dons and the Toreros."

Not as embarrassing as getting beat by a 13-12 Division II school (Sacramento State) on your home floor, or losing to the PAC 12 "powers" of OSU, WSU, and USC.

A down year for BYU still results in 20+ wins, 3rd place in their conference, and a postseason berth. An "up" year for Utah has resulted in sub .500 play and being at the bottom of the PAC (again).

That pretty much sums up where both programs are at right now. But thanks for your interest in BYU basketball. It's good to know that our fan base is spreading

Go Cougars!

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

"Not as embarrassing as getting beat by a 13-12 Division II school (Sacramento State)"

Well even that wouldn't be as embarrassing as not knowing what division Sac State is in when you try trash-talking, then disregarding your own team's losses to 13-win teams (13-15 SF, 13-16 SD). Congrats on another #3 finish, though, can't wait to see next year how much more the drop in competition level from the MWC to the WCC will have affected the team!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

The MWC is a solid conference. It's kinda too bad the horrible TV contract with the Mountain, helped wreck the whole deal. It's a very solid basketball conference. Unfortunately, Football runs the show. The current MWC certainly deserves and auto BCS bid over the Big East. If BYU, Utah and TCU would have stayed; it would have really been a tough conference. The PAC 12 deal was way too much for Utah to pass up either way.

@truecoug

Do you ever actually comment on the topic, or just troll the threads looking for a fight? Never mind, I already know the answer.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ truecoug1

- Sac St. is not DII, in any sport.

- OSU, WSU, and USC are all ranked higher than half of the WCC.

- Using your logic BYU 'lucked into' their only three football wins over Utah this decade. In fact if we attribute every close win as a fluke then it is fair to say that the only reason Utah hasn't won 16 in a row is because BYU got lucky.

@ deductive reasoning

Nobody is impressed that 3,500 people packed McKeon Pavilion. Weber State drew more people to the D when it played Arizona Christian.

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@SpokaneUte "Do you ever actually comment on the topic, or just troll the threads looking for a fight?"

I will comment on the topic occasionally, but I enjoy bantering with Ute "trolls" who come onto BYU boards and start running their mouths (I understand that this is an article for both schools).

Like I've said before, why is it that I'm not allowed to defend my school, but it's ok for U fans to bash on, and mock, BYU?

Stop being so hypocritical.

Go Cougars!

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@StGSLC, Two For Flinching "Well even that wouldn't be as embarrassing as not knowing what division Sac State is in when you try trash-talking"

Oooh, U got me there, I just got burned (roll my eyes). My bad on not knowing that Sacramento St is a D1 school. I guess I should've figured if Utah is a D1 school, Sac St is as well.

And I'm not arguing that BYU has lost to some bad teams. My overall point was that even in a down year, BYU has won 20 games and will go on to the postseason in some fashion. In an "up" year for Utah, U have a sub .500 team and are at the bottom of the PAC.

Just shows the difference between the two programs.

Go Cougars!

truecoug1
Provo, UT

@TwoForFlinching "Using your logic BYU 'lucked into' their only three football wins over Utah this decade."

Please look up for me how many passing TD's Beck had in his career, how many receiving TD's Harline had in his career (Beck to Harline), how many catches Austin Collie had in his career (4th and 18), how many passing TD's Hall had in his career, and how many TD's George had in his career.

Then tell me how many times in the 2010 season that BYU had an opponent's muffed punt bounce off of them, had an interception and knee down before fumbling a ball get overturned, how many muffed handoffs BYU had, and then in 2012 how many bad snaps that we muffed without recovering.

The blocked FG's in both games weren't flukes (great plays by Utah), nor was BYU's missing their last FG attempt in 2012 (our kicking game was horrible last year).

However, Utah doesn't win either of those games without those fluke bounces going their way. So please don't give me this "Utah has dominated BYU" talk.

It's a great rivalry. Sad to see it go away next year.

Go Cougars!

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

truecoug1, the cougs have had plenty of bad snaps in the last couple years, some of which they've recovered, some of which the other team does, those are usually 50/50 plays. I don't even watch much BYU football and I've seen at least 4 or 5, at least 3 of which came against Utah, one of which was returned for a touchdown (Utah led the country in scoop and scores, by the way), one recovered by BYU then subsequently fumbled, and the other going out the back of the end zone, but negated due to the defensive player grabbing the facemask trying to make the tackle.

Now tell me how many tackles Stevenson Sylvester has made in his career without having a teammate take him out, or how many times out of 100 a QB has a favorable result in lobbing a pass across the field, across his body, or how many times the officials penalize only one team for extra representatives being on the field, when clearly both teams did. Yes these weird (flukey, if you will) plays happen, but it's never a one-way street.

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