Re: "Congress is nothing but President Obama[']s puppet."Looks like it, doesn't it? He's certainly doing a good job of
playing them.I still get a kick out of liberals trying to blame the
whole mess on Republicans in Congress, though.The sequester was the
President's idea. His plan was sold to Democrat Senate Majority Leader
Harry Reid by Mr. Lew, the President's finance adviser [and nominee for
Treasury Secretary], who shepherded it through Congress. It passed with every
Democrat who voted, voting in favor.Now, it's time to
implement. The President has been voted or promised authority to spend and
borrow MORE this year than last, a sum approaching double what the previous
President spent in the first year of his second term.But, amazingly,
notwithstanding clear authority to do otherwise, the President now chooses to
apply the "cuts" in the most painful and draconian of the many ways he
could have applied them.Then, to top it all off, he embarks on an
expensive campaign tour to blame his actions on Republicans.Whattaguy!
Bob's right, the sequester is bad policy and more expensive than it appears
to be. This whole mess is poor policy and government officials trying to dodge
responsibility for making tough, unpopular decisions. Our government
just sits around and blames one another. Their innaction is hurting all of us.
@procuradorfiscalWell that makes sense. Congress is nothing but President
Obamas puppet. They always do exactly what he says. Especially the Republicans,
they love our president.
Don't worry, There will be an 11th hour "compromise" like there all
in all of these pitiful dramas. Political theater like this is a joke and
it's also very predictable.
@procurCongressman are sitting back home refusing to do their jobs and you
really think people are going to eventually blame Obama? I don't think it
is liberals that think people are stupid.
"Regarding Defense and Entitlements... Defense is the one mandate the
Constitution gives Congress."Huh? Soooooooooooooooooooo this
somehow justifies the out of control spending that we've seen over the past
decade in defense? Unbelievable. Where in the Constitution is it justified to
spend so much in defense? Out of control spending is out of control
spending. Do you realize that we spend over 4 times as much as #2 China? Or 8
times as much as #3 Russia? If we spent 4 times as much on
entitlements as the next country you repubs would be screaming even louder than
you are currently!The lack of critical thinking skills are really on
display when it comes to this discussion.You folks cry about
spending, analyze every single penny when it comes to social programs. Yet, when
it comes to defense, you folks are completely down with handing out blank checks
to corrupt politicians and defense contractors. In fact, you folks support EVEN
MORE pork and bloat. Are you really happy that they spend billions on jets that
don't even work? It's time to take an honest look at
defense spending. It is completely out of control.
Re: ". . . you all think the A[m]erican people are going to blame
Obama?"Eventually, yes. His disingenuous attack machine has been
effective, to date, but it's a long time from now to the end of April, when
the first of the effects will be felt.And, Americans are just not as
stupid as liberals hope.
@DougSDefense is noted in the constitution but there's no good
reason that we should be spending 5-6x as much annually in defense spending as
does second place China.
@Open Minded Mormon "Hypocrisy"You should check out the CBS
News story from November 21, 2011, "Obama pledges to veto effort to undo
automatic spending cuts." Watch the video."Already some in
Congress are trying to undo these automatic spending cuts. My message to them is
simple: No. I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts
to domestic and defense spending. There will be no easy off-ramps on this
one."Now he wants to run away from his responsibility for this
mess. The solution is what he suggested out of one side of his mouth at the end
of the video: compromise. We've done some tax increases; now let's do
some spending cuts. But Obama won't agree to any, so out comes the meat
"Sequester is all pain, no gain"Come on, Bennett. Tell your
Senator cohorts to just pull out the recent GAO report which details billions in
savings from dealing with government fraud, wast, and abuse.The fact
that the Democrats are threatening to cut kindergarten to pay for the sequester
is just plain nuts.
I think Bennett is right we need to be looking for solutions not blame but I
cannot help but wonder how we got to a place where the only reasonable voice in
the room is Robert Bennett?
This whole scenario developed because Republicans irresponsibly/recklessly held
the debt ceiling hostage. Most people don't know:Sequestration--known as the Budget Control Act 2011:1) The debt
ceiling was increased by $400 billion immediately. 2) Spending was
reduced more than the increase in the debt limit. No tax increases or other
forms of increases in revenue above current law ("current law" assumed
expiration of all the Bush tax cuts) were included in the bill.The bill
directly specified $917 billion of cuts over 10 years in exchange for the
initial debt limit increase of $900 billion. This is the first installment
("tranche") of cuts. $21 billion of this will be applied in the FY2012
budget (which began Oct.2011-Sept 2012).Therefore, cuts are already
in place. More cuts via sequestration will go into affect this week absent
Congressional action. Rather than all the Bush tax cuts expiring and rates
returning to Clinton rates, rates increased 4.6% on income above $450k for
married couples ($400k single).
Maybe it is not so much the actual money that will be cut but what worries
Americans the most is the spiteful attitudes that characterize our Congress. If
the dirt hits the fan and things go South, I think the republicans are taking
the biggest risk of losing favor in the eyes of the voting public.
Regarding Defense and Entitlements... Defense is the one mandate the
Constitution gives Congress. Entitlements have morphed from what FDR
implemented as "Social Security" in the 1930s to what it is today. It
wasn't done overnight, it was done one step at a time - by Democratic
administrations - Foreign aid, while "pennies" in comparison is still
supporting regimes that hate us and is useless so far as any benefit to this
country (with the possible exception of our "Allies")
So lets see Obama is calling on congress to work with him to take action and
congressmen are sitting at home thumbing their noses saying we want this to
happen and you all think the AMerican people are going to blame Obama? No wonder
republicans lost in November.
"A sizable number of members of Congress want a sequester; the overwhelming
majority of them are House Republicans.It was Obama’s idea,
but Republicans agreed to it and provided key support.The most
detailed account on this point is in The Price of Politics, a book by
Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward about the 2011 debt ceiling standoff.
His reporting shows the White House developed the idea and presented it to
Democratic leadership on July 28 and to Boehner’s team on July 30.Both sides saw it as a way to force further negotiations later,
according to Woodward. The Obama team thought there was "no chance"
Republicans would allow defense cuts to happen, while Boehner said Democrats
would cave to save domestic programs. Woodward quotes Boehner predicting the
sequester "is never going to happen."Republicans have
repeatedly said the sequester was Obama’s idea, but they supported it
early on and provided the votes needed to put it into law.")politifact)
What I can't understand is that Republicans - especially the Tea Party
types - are ALL about, and 100% in favor of any and all spending cuts.So why the sudden shift, back-peddling, double-talking, and about-face now?Class A-1 Hypocrites is all I can come up with...
Conservatives on this forum and throughout the nation believe that if they shout
loud enough and often enough that Obama will get all the blame every time
something like this happens.
@atl34 "Guess you all weren't being truthful."What, you
think I don't want spending cuts? I'm not complaining about spending
being cut. I'm saying the sequester is a stupid way to go about it. The
problem is, no one in the White House or Congress has the courage to identify
specific programs to cut.JoeBlow is right about this. The only
budget categories large enough to make a real difference are defense and
entitlements.You want to talk about truthful? Obama won't admit
the sequester was his idea. He's a blamer, so he's out there blaming.
Re: "The sequester was approved by virtually every Republican in the House
and Senate."That doesn't change the fact that it was
Obama's idea, was proposed by Mr. Lew, his new Treasury Secretary nominee,
or that the effects could unilaterally be all but eliminated by his
administration.Yet, the President now denies knowledge or
responsibility for it, blaming only Republicans.Further, he decreed
that it be implemented in the most draconian, painful way possible. Obama could
take this tiny 2.2% reduction, not to spending, but to budget creep -- even with
the sequester, we'll spend more this year than last -- in many different
ways that would avoid all the pain he suggests will occur. He decreed, instead,
that it be focused on some of the most important and vulnerable people and
programs.Sorry, but it's Obama's to own.He
suggested it. His recalcitrance made it all but a sure thing. And, his cynical
fit of pique insured it will needlessly hurt people and destroy any benefit to
the economy it might otherwise have had.
Brought to you by the same folks who ousted bob, the tea party!Methinks the end is near for the tea party. We Americans grow tired of this
obstructionism. Well, you folks had a nice run. I mean, you could forget Palin,
"you betcha." Or Bachmann's goofy look on Newsweek? Or Cain
admitting that he knew nothing about the world but still wanted to become
President? Or Santorum denying evolution? Or Mike Lee and his goofy balanced
amendment? Or his accusing of the UN taking over the world because of some
disabled persons agreement?Or you folks all dressed in colonial gear
demanding, "Keep your darn government hands off my Medicare!"Thank goodness the madness is over. Time to get back to REAL issues and REAL
" They should start by cutting their own compesation and benefits, then
un-do the welfare mess they created, then eliminate all foreign aid. "No Doug. You are simply clouding the issue with "feel good"
solutions.DEFENSE, SOCIAL SECURITY and MEDICARE.Do not
talk about any other spending. Do not ask your congressmen to even look at any
other spending.Everything other than Defense, Social Security, and
Medicare is peanuts.I can assure you that our politicians would
rather talk about ANYTHING but these 3. Dont give them the chance. Dont ask
them about anything else. Keep them focused on these 3 budget items.After they have fixed theses, then we can talk about the pennies like foreign
@NateObama wanted to increase the debt ceiling without spending cuts. The
only reason we have the sequester is because Republicans held the economy
hostage and forced the issue. The sequester was the means of getting something
out there. But you know what's really rich... you and Republicans are
blaming Obama for something approved through Congress that involves spending
cuts. I could've sworn you all thought the deficit was the biggest problem
we face other than maybe jobs. Guess you all weren't being truthful.
Imagine if you or I did our jobs this way. Our company would fold.
There is enough blame to go around. Congress is the problem since they created
the conditions which caused the deficit. They should start by cutting their own
compesation and benefits, then un-do the welfare mess they created, then
eliminate all foreign aid. Congress created this monster with
presidential support - they should feel the pain even more than we peons are
Congress was in favor of the Sequester. Both Republicans and Democrats.
Overwhelmingly.It gave them an out to keep them from doing their job
at the time. It allowed them to put off the spending cuts that are painful and
unpopular.They acted like little children looking for any
opportunity to keep from eating their broccoli.So, grow up people.
Does it make you feel better to point fingers? Does it fix anything?The
sequester was certainly a popular idea. Give credit anytime one of
our politicians puts forth an idea popular with both sides. (from either
side)Now, tell your congressmen to quit playing politics and go fix
We shouldn't be cutting now when the economy hasn't fully recovered.
We will just backslide into a recession. Republican Paul Ryan in
2011 on the sequester:""What conservatives like me have been
fighting for, for years are statutory caps on spending, legal caps in law that
says government agencies cannot spend over a set amount of money. And if they
breach that amount across the board, sequester comes in to cut that spending,
and you can't turn that off without a supermajority vote. We got that in
law. That is here."
Liberals on this forum and throughout the nation believe that if they shout loud
enough and often enough that the GOP will get all the blame every time something
like this happens. Yes, Republicans voted for it, but so did the
Democrats and the whole thing was the President's idea in the first place
and he signed it. So forget this nonsense about the sequestration being the
GOP's fault.I think it was a very silly idea to cut with such a
blunt instrument. But even more silly is to continue down this road of ever more
tax increases and zero spending cuts that we have been on. Even the proposed
cuts are not really cuts at all, just reductions in increases. Our country is
heading for bankruptcy and everyone screams when a few minor percentage points
are cut from a wildly bloated budget. Government revenues are at an all time
high and we still manage to spend a $trillion more each year than we take in.
We have some harsh economic realities to face people! We either experience some
pain now by cutting run away spending or our exploding national debt will
destroy the economy and the suffering will be much, much worse! How much worse?
Got your food storage? I believe the majority of Americans do not care and
naïvely believe we can just keep on spending money we don't have
forever, but that is impossible. Don't believe it? Prepare to suffer!
Nate, why don't you and others like you take a few minutes to learn the
truth before posting?The sequester was approved by virtually every
Republican in the House and Senate.Yes, it's a stupid move, but
it was approved by people dedicated to making sure Obama was a one-term
president. That didn't work, so now they are left to try to figure out how
to things even tougher for him.Trouble is, it's ordinary
Americans who will suffer the consequences of Congressional stupidity.But hey, as long as the GOP doesn't have to give ground or accept
responsibility, everything will be okay.Yeah, right.
"The sequester is one of Obama's stupidest ideas, and that's
saying something."Hey Nate, seems like you forgot to mention the
few hundred other finger pointers in the "stupid sequester idea!. If I am
not mistake every single Republican in the House voted for the sequester, and I
do believe it was our illustrious "Finger-Pointer Speaker of the House"
that stood up and crowed that "I got 98% of what I wanted in the vote".
The sequester is one of Obama's stupidest ideas, and that's saying
something.What Bailout Bob said about uncertainty is true, but he
omits the larger uncertainty facing the next generation, who must deal with a
debt of $16,500,000,000,000 and climbing. Can we not make sensible cuts in our
spending to ease the way of our children in the future?The real
problem is, our so-called leaders don't seem interested in finding anything
sensible to do, but rather spend their time and energy blaming others. This is a
particular characteristic of our Finger-Pointer-in-Chief.
"11,000 people in Utah, resulting in $86 million in lost wages"Cut cut cut. Just not in my state. That, Mr Bennett, is the problem.It is very telling that you cite people affected and lost wages as if
that is the primary function of military bases without any details on how it
would strategically affect our military.I can assure you that any
base cut or closure will affect jobs. I am convinced that not all will hurt the
military.Bottom line? The military needs to be cut. And by much
more than the sequestration dictates.And SS and Medicare must be
trimmed and the rate of growth must be addressed.I am not suggesting
that sequestration is the most efficient method, but any and every cut will hurt
someone who will scream loudly. Mr Bennett is just one of many. It
cannot happen without pain.