"JazzledazzleProvo, UTGood decision by the Jazz.
Don't make a meaningless trade. Teams like the Bobcats, Rockets, Kings,
Wolves always make pointless, headscratching trades every year. Unless something
really nice was on the table, no reason to compromise our cap space.Bell is a chump. He is getting paid, but he is sitting. I guess he is
satisfied with that."LOL, the Rockets have the best GM in the
business feasting on markets like Utah. They have the youngest team and will
also bounce the Jazz from the playoff picture (Lakers will finish 8th). Trading
for James Harden was also the best move of the year.Enjoy your cap
space. It won't matter because no one wants to come to Salt Lake.
@kakashiIf you read my comments again I did not criticize Lindsey at all,
in fact I said I think he's a sharp guy. It was Greg Miller and Corbin that
my remarks were aimed at
@americanveti have to agree with you at some point...but...this is
Lindsey's first year...he comes from an organization...with exceptional eye
for talent...namely Spurs...so i would hold off any critcism on him...until he
made two draft choices and has a few trades under his belt...ipulling a
trigger...for the sake of trading...would be a bad option...so in this
case...staying put was the best choice...plus we get over 25M in cap
space...that's a lot...the only problem that i have with the team is the
coach...offense is too predictable for me...and commitment of ownership to win
it all...other than that...im still a fan...who airs frustrations...here
@long termHere is where we differ. Some fans that are a little out of sync
are continuing to argue about how solid the Jazz management is. I would agree
that in years past we were one of the very best run organizations in the NBA.
But that was under the leadership of Larry Miller, Jerry Sloan and Kevin
O'Conner. Very,very solid. But now, we have Greg Miller, Tyrone Corbin and
Dennis Lindsey running the show and why should we assume they have proved
anything yet? Larry Miller was the biggest fan and Jazz supporter and would do
anything for the organization. Greg Miller will confess he never even followed
basketball while his dad was alive. I would also bet that Larry would have not
given Corbin the permanent coaching job. Phil Johnson, yes, but not Corbin. I
think Dennis is a sharp guy and KOC is still here to help with player decisions
but Greg Miller and Corbin are a big drop off from Larry Miller and coach Sloan,
in my opinion.
Why is it that so many "supposed" Jazz fans seem to always put down the
team, its players and management?I much prefer this team to the one
we had when Boozer and Deron Williams were here. With the exception of Raja
Bell, all of the current Jazz players are team first guys.As for
Jazz management, it's easy for fans to say that the Jazz should spend
whatever sum it takes to produce a title contender. However, putting it into
practice is a lot harder than most people think. There are many NBA teams who
have spent millions and rarely ever make the playoffs. It takes more than
"throwing money" at players to produce a title contender.To
those who complain the loudest, I say if you don't like what the team, the
coach or management is doing you are under no obligation to root or follow them.
Frankly, I wouldn't waste my time moaning about them and would instead turn
off the TV and refuse to go to any of the games.As for me, I love
this incarnation of the Jazz and have always appreciated the fact that they
almost always make the playoffs.
@AmericanvetThe fact that they will be over 25million under the
salary cap with only the need of an excellent point guard says that. The fact
that they have zero bad contracts and a team full of guys that want to be here
and aren't thugs. The fact that every player also gets better every year
because they brought in buys who work. Those facts say that. You
can argue that OKC, San Antonio, and Miami have better front offices but that is
@That's a good one"Jazz have among the smartest GM's in the
league". On what scale is this measured? You can't listen to the
opinion of peers because they are always going to say nice things. All I know
is the Jazz haven't been in contention for a title for years. I also take
exception to the "know it all Jazz fans" comment. Running a team is
more an art than a science and even our smart GM's admit to making mistakes
so I think it's ok for avid fans to express their opinions. If anyone is
familiar with the Mark Cuban story, he was just a "know it all Maverick
fan" a lot of years ago but because he had a billion bucks in the bank he
was able to live out his dreams and buy his favorite team. No one is more
aggressive than Cuban in making trades and acquiring free agents and he has an
NBA title to show for it. Our smart GM's don't have any of those.
Also I hope the Jazz don't bring everyone back. Watson and Tinsley should
coleman51: "At that point, they will receive nothing for both of
them"I've never understood people who way that. Several
million dollars of newly available cash to spend on one of them or someone else
is hardly "nothing" in return."I hope you enjoy your
road to mediocrity and irrelevance in the league". That's a funny
statement. Some know it all fans have been saying that for years. Yet, the
Jazz continue to be considered to have among the smartest GMs in the league.
@ Coleman 51I see where you are coming from, but the logic of
"getting something out of them" is not always smart. Take the Phoenix
trade rumor for example: Big Al for Gortat and Dragic. We would get 2 quality
players. However, in the big picture, Gortat and Dragic would not help the Jazz
get to the net level. Then they would have cap space tied up to 2 good role
players.Instead, the Jazz could save their cap room, and do a sign
and trade with Millsap and/or Big Al, or just sign a free agent like Brandon
Jennings or Jeff Teague. A young player that addresses a need the Jazz have.
Or you leverage your draft picks and sign and trade and pry a player away from
another team. Or, you don't make any major signings and wait until the
following off season and develop Kanter and Favors. (I'm not a Jennings fan
btw)The last thing you want is to lock players up for 2-3 years
under contract that you don't want and won't help you get back to
@ KakashiYou are correct. I did not mean to include Houston in that
list. I love the trade they did. Thomas Robinson is a rookie who was not given
a chance in Sac town. Typo on my part.
@Coleman 51, The Jazz are actually in better financial position than
most teams in the league and the only team that has the ability to sign a player
for 6 years instead of 5. Besides that the players traded yesterday
were bad. They weren't even assets for trading purposes! Personally I think we have one of the smartest back offices in the league when
it comes to when and when not to pull the trigger.
I wonder if the Jazz, who might likely lose Jefferson and Millsap in the
offseason, will feel about their decision when they both leave the team because
they are both unrestricted free agents and will ask for a max salary which the
Jazz cannot afford. At that point, they will receive nothing for both of them.
Then all of this "value" nonsense will mean nothing. Good luck, Jazz. I
hope you enjoy your road to mediocrity and irrelevance in the league.
The Jazz cannot afford to keep Jefferson for next season. He already makes 15
million and Millsap is wanting a raise to that range. You have to go to the two
young "thunders" and bring in a good young point guard with the cap
space.The idea for a trade was not to trade but to bring in some assets for what
they are going to lose anyway. The Jazz decided not to do this and with nine (or
10) free agents, the offseason will be interesting. Once again, they will be
bounced quickly out of the playoffs. However, they may go a little more
grudgingly. The Jazz have a good young core. They should be looking at how to
keep them together over a long period of time. Both Favors (3) and Kanter (2)
are on five year rookie contracts. The way things are shaping up now, they will
go elsewhere and double or triple their contracts when they expire.
@Jazzledazzlei agree with you 100%...Jazz should not make trades for
the sake of making trades...but i have to disagree with you on the Rockets
deal...because i think highly of Thomas Robinson...and would eventually be a
better player than Pat Patterson...However...they did lose Morris...who could
have been a good backup...but maybe they had to do it...because they want to
give Terrence Jones some time...addition by subtraction i guess...plus the
trades houston made is for long term...but unlike Utah...Houston would play
their Young Guns more...to get more chemistry and Game Time experience...Thomas
Robinson...would benefit hugely with this because...he would be coached by a
legendary bigman in Kevin Mchale...and i think he would be able to coach this
young guys properly and make'em grow as a team...1-2 years they'll be
mixing it up in the west...with Harden Lin and Parsons...add Asik and
Robinson...that's a good starting 5...all they need now is depth...
@AvetUnless he thinks he can get a 3-4 year deal for more money over the
long run i'm inclined to agree with you.
The Jazz will have 9 free agents and possibly 10 because "Marvin Williams
has a player option". Trust me, Marvin is not going to exercise his option
to become a free agent because he knows there is no team out there that will pay
him what the Jazz are stuck paying him next season. You can count on Marvin
Williams wearing a Jazz uniform next year.
Good decision by the Jazz. Don't make a meaningless trade. Teams like the
Bobcats, Rockets, Kings, Wolves always make pointless, headscratching trades
every year. Unless something really nice was on the table, no reason to
compromise our cap space.Bell is a chump. He is getting paid, but
he is sitting. I guess he is satisfied with that.
A lot of people are crybabying about no trades. I think the FO knows what they
are doing more than a bunch of Know it all fans. Bell might as well put away his
gym shoes until next season. He sure thought he had the upper hand. Jazz team as
now constructed can beat any team. Several reasons they have not. Maybe having a
team this deep in the playoffs might be a good thing. Games must be played for
the championship. No one is out until they are out. Not probable but possible
for the Jazz to go all the way. Yes even Bell would get a ring. So let's
play the games.By the way kobe guarentees Fakers will be in the playoffs.
Hopefully when they don't make it they will sell a picture of that stupid
look on his face when he does not get his way.
Guess it is a league-wide chill regarding the trade deadline. Nothing major at
all. The teams that have cap space are pretty nervous about giving it up and
taking on any bad deals.What a chump Bell is. I wish they could
send him to the D-League.